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Posted: May 13th 2010 5:35PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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We all know you companies love piracy. Catch someone downloading 5 songs worth $5 and you'll sue for $30,000.

Posted: May 13th 2010 6:08PM The Aquacharger said

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Yeah, but this man was selling games. I remember that website, and I remember a good number of people buying from it. It's not like he sold $5 games and they're charging him 1.5 mil.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:09PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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I don't condone the actions at all. Just hate when they go for the small people.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:30PM The Aquacharger said

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Yeah but I've seen cases like this before where a guy got jailed for hacking a bunch of PS2's, PSPs, Wii's, and other consoles around the start of this console gen and they said he wound up making like 2k every other week or something from hacking consoles and selling games. And people still defended this guy.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:31PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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I wouldn't defend someone like that. That's just downright problematic.
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Posted: May 14th 2010 8:57AM (Unverified) said

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I remember this site, it sold R4s and things like that. I dunno if he sold any (pirated) games offline, but online it was an R4 chip type place.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 5:40PM Grey said

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Really? Again? Just stop already. It's so f'n annoying. Where's the integrity in this world anymore?

Posted: May 13th 2010 10:29PM (Unverified) said

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@Drakkenfyre I agree. In this instance it was relatively well deserved for his idiocy.

However as Sony discovered with the PSP: Pirates are going to pirate but DRM and schemes to protect this code are meant to keep honest people honest. Using a large amount of federal dollars to fight a war in a legal grey area is absurd. It seems a slight bit devious to me that they are pursuing these people who cause an literally immeasurable amount of damage so they can make more money from the lawsuits than any comprehensible equivalent to "lost sales"(which no money goes to the original developers of the pirated games and fits under no patent law that forces them into these lawsuits to keep the rights). Pirates aren't going to buy games because they are pirates, they spend their time pirating because that is what they do and they aren't going to stop. They know it's inconvenient, and legally grey but it's things like this that fuel the fire rather than deter.

If Nintendo really wanted this to stop it wont but if they would continue to develop their code to make it more and more inconvenient it would minimize the number of people who steal the game.

P.S. While there is legal precedence in California against the R4 that doesn't make these illegal in the United States; and while mostly semantic "Game copiers" is a horrible definition for these devices. Nothing about it copies a game but rather removes the restrictions to execute code to circumvent DRM and play illegally copied games.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 5:40PM Kyammi said

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Nintendo needs to stop infringing on consumer rights and attacking individuals, and instead spend the required money to develop anti-piracy measures in their hardware. PS3 still has zero piracy, 360 would have less if MS had been a bit more careful. Nintendo's platforms are the most vulnerable of all.

Stop using taxpayer money (in terms of courts and FBI raids), start using your own money, you're certainly making enough.

Posted: May 13th 2010 5:45PM kmcroc said

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Bravo,bravo . well said.but we know thier not cause thier going to claim that thier doing this for the greater good of all gamers & consumers ,so not to foot the bill of FBI &court cost.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 5:47PM Drakkenfyre said

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Wait, infringing consumer rights? I think if you are selling or distributing illegal copies, you are infringing on their rights.

Go after the distributers, yes, like they are doing here, but if you are sitting in your apartment selling or giving away illegal copies, they should go after you, too.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 5:50PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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@Drakken

I agree and disagree. I mean this as similar to petty marijuana crimes. Too much tax money is used toward something that isn't worth while.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 5:52PM Kyammi said

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Infringing consumer rights in making tools that could potentially be used for piracy but also have legitimate uses illegal / suing.

Torrents, for example, can be used for piracy, but they're also used for legitimate uses, even by businesses. It'd be like suing utorrent.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 5:58PM Stix Remix said

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Please list for me some "legitimate" uses for "illegal video game copiers."

Then we can proceed to debate suing this seller in New York.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:01PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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I use back up tools to create copies of my DVDs, or download them via utorrent, to keep the original from being scratched to death. Does that count?
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:02PM (Unverified) said

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@Drakkenfyre

I don't know if you got the article but Nintendo isn't going after the people who are distributing the games but rather the people who sell a product that gives people the functionality.

I understand that the seller probably very well knows that the intention of the buyer is to play cracked roms(sometimes copied illegally), but that is still a consumer choice. Nintendo also has a history of strangling independent developers by refusing to release an SDK even if the developer is willing to pay for it(see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob's_Game). So these devices can be used in legitimate ways but none of them Nintendo likes because they don't get paid for homebrew apps and they also can't control the content of those apps.

There are many cases that set precedence for allowing reverse engineered software to be used on a proprietary devices(see: http://www.sega-16.com/feature_page.php?id=9&title=Genesis%20Firsts:%20Reverse%20Engineering) and if you ask me blaming the hardware is another way for the company to control consumer use of "their" device that we just happen to give them money to borrow.

Yes pirates ruin it for those creative people who want to make legitimate and creative games without having to pay in and answer to the great Nintendo Gods. That does not make it ok for them to choke out the ability to use the hardware in any way the consumer who paid to own it,
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:12PM The Aquacharger said

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For Bob's game it's because Nintendo demands (just like a lot of game devs do) you have released two games under your belt. If you release two games then you can more then likely get an SDK. I was going to appliy for an SDK to make DSiware games, but I saw that before applying.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:15PM Drakkenfyre said

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I think the difference here is the store owner knows damn well what they are used for, and it could be argued on intent. No one would believe he was "selling them for game creation."

Torrents can be argued separately. There are legitimate uses for them, lots of companies use them for legitimate use. But a game copier? 99% of the uses will be illegal. They should go after both the company that markets them as such (They market it as a "game development tool", and mean it, that's one thing. But marketing it as they do, and making sure the game copying abilitiy is well-known, is another) and the people using them to illegally distribute game copies. Is the guy selling them at the store breaking the law? If he's going "Hey, buy this, you can copy your games with them!", they need to go after him. I am going to assume it's an R4, the device is illegal in the US, and he is selling it. The fact that he is, reguardless of how you think it should be used, is illegal. The fact that they asked him to take down his site, he does, and then puts up another one, and links the first one to the second one, shows this guy is an idiot and has no respect for the legal rights he is violating. If he wants to screw around like that, he deserves to be sued.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:20PM Stix Remix said

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@Spike: If you live in the US, copying DVDs is illegal (if even for personal use or backup purposes).

If you live elsewhere, it depends on that country's laws.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:22PM Mr Khan said

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Not a viable option until the next generation, though. Certainly they screwed up, but they can't patch everything up (though they've tried), and the more effective solutions would be hardware-side, which are impossible to 72 million (and counting) people out there

certainly they made bad decisions, but this is the only way they can deal with that.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:28PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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@Stix

Oh well. I am not distributing copies and own these DVDs from purchase so they can go shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Posted: May 14th 2010 1:44AM fischju said

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If anybody purchased a cart for DSi v1.4, they are pirates. The game uses a couple mb of copyrighted game code to get past the security. All slot-1 carts either use nintendo code or another means to bypass the security, breaking the DMCA.

Hey, if you want to play homebrew legally, get an old school Supercard or M3 slot-2.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 5:45PM kmcroc said

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boo hoo, whaw.maybe if they put Reggie's face on the disc it will scare people from doing it or just make them throw up.

Posted: May 13th 2010 5:52PM Geo Holyhart said

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QFT
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:26PM Mr Khan said

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Oddly timed, because in that Investor Q&A just yesterday, Iwata dismissed piracy as a threat to sales (though emphasized the importance of protecting IP)

Posted: May 13th 2010 6:36PM phenylketonurics said

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"Put simply," said Neuse, "if you enjoy a company's games, paying for them helps to ensure that they will continue to make products you'll like."

That's quite an overstatement. I'm theorizing here but it seems that a vast majority of games made--especially right now--have sequels and spin-offs galore. Even so-called underground hits get attention. Piracy is terrible, should be stopped, the whole song and dance everyone agrees with, but this little statement is a bit melodramatic for Neuse -considering the current time frame eeking money for games right now.

Or maybe not, I've not heard much about him. He's probably a smashing CEO.

Posted: May 15th 2010 11:27PM Diosoth said

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I'm a bit sick of hearing this "support the company" nonsense when the companies rarely show the same consideration to their customers. Epic Games is pushing to wipe out the ability to buy and sell sued games, even on a personal level, and they actually threatened to sue some guy for making a customized Gears Of War toy for a friend. Square Enix is even worse. Copyright laws might make it legal but these companies still do immoral things.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 6:40PM Nook said

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The effort you expend to pirate the kinds of things these guys do, is simply just not worth the risk, IMO. It's got to carry some sort of stress level with the vendor that deals with this kind of stuff, is it worth it in the end? Seems like a waste, though I sense a whiff of a kind of 'against the system' feeling as well, which is good.

but misdirected IMO.

Posted: May 13th 2010 6:42PM Evin said

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I agree.

And the most important quote from this article: "if you enjoy a company's games, paying for them helps to ensure that they will continue to make products you'll like."
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Posted: May 13th 2010 7:22PM GoonieGooGoo said

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You have to wonder if nintendo didn't allow so much shovelware in their Wii & DS libraries if people would actually like to pay for quality games from time to time.

Posted: May 13th 2010 7:55PM Drakkenfyre said

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Don't even try to say that.

People are cheap basfards, it wouldn't matter if the system had the best games in the world, people would still steal games. When you have people who say stuff like "Lol, pay for stuff? Hell no, I can just download it", it doesn't matter what the quality of the other games are. If it can be stolen, and people not pay money for it, it will be stolen.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 8:03PM Foetoid said

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Fail. I go pay for quality games from time to time. 22 games later and i still don't own all the good ones i want. Just because the good games on Wii are outnumbered 50:1, doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Posted: May 14th 2010 5:38PM GoonieGooGoo said

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My point is....if there was not so much shovelware....people would buy more games because they know they wouldn't be risking good money on some horrid game pushed into the market with because there is no quality control by Nintendo.

Let's be honest...nintendo doesn't care because they get the royalty from the sell of any game....not to mention that the # of horrid games makes every single game of theirs become a best seller because Nintendo's name is the ONLY realy mark of guaranteed quality in the libraries themselves.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 7:32PM therandomizer said

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@Stix: I backed up DVDs in the past, and that goes for PS2 games as well! I shouldn't have to purchase Final Fantasy X twice if the first copy gets damaged, right? What about music CDs that no longer readable? Oh, and did I mention that I have the Homebrew Channel on my wii, which I use to add functionality (and to let me do what Nintendon't want to do)? I own the hardware! I own the music and DVDs! I have the right to make backup files as often as I please! HA!

Posted: May 13th 2010 7:57PM The Aquacharger said

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Actually, no you don't OWN it, you have the right to use it.
Also if your stuff gets damaged most publishers will work with you to get an extra copy for just the cost of shipping, or a small fee. As it is still your fault your games get damaged.
I still have unscratched perfectly working copies of FF7,FF4, Chrono Trigger, and various other PS1 games.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 8:02PM Drakkenfyre said

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Actually, you have the right to make one backup copy of each of your things. Anymore than that and it's illegal. Once your backup is destroyed, you can make another one. Ceating multiple copies is considered piracy.

And as the above post says, you don't actually own anything, All you have is a license to use that object, Hell, Microsoft even extended that with the original XBox that you didn't even OWN the system.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 8:05PM Foetoid said

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Well randomizer, i guess you just got told.
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Posted: May 14th 2010 8:23AM bm111 said

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You shouldn't have purchased Final Fantasy X even once.
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Posted: May 13th 2010 10:04PM Marco le Polo said

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I'm ok with pirating as long as you keep using that baby pirates picture.

Posted: May 14th 2010 2:42AM SailorJohn said

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people are going to pirate regardless of what laws are passed. If they were law abiding, they wouldn't be pirating to begin with. Rather than try to prosecute every pirate out there, companies should be making things not worth pirating, or foster a fanbase that won't want to pirate.

Retail stores figure in their budgets an amount of theft every year, game companies should do the same with piracy, and move on.

Posted: May 14th 2010 11:17PM alexmlowgmailcom said

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It's honestly true, most pirates use excuses like "we're rebelling against DRM" (an excuse only good for Ubisoft games) or bs like that. I can't find the quote, but the Wolfire Humble charity event (Not over yet folks), had people pirating the games/sharing codes. Really? Pirating a game that you can buy for a penny (still bad, but really).
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Posted: May 14th 2010 2:42AM SailorJohn said

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Oh, snap?

Posted: May 14th 2010 2:43AM SailorJohn said

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love you, comment system!
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Posted: May 14th 2010 3:19AM Reinhart said

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At least they said "it's especially harmful to smaller developers", meaning, "big developers, not so much". I hate it when they go, "it hurts EVERYBODY". We know Activision and EA aren't hurting, they're just less rich by a couple yachts and mansions.

Posted: May 15th 2010 6:44PM RupeeClock said

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I'm getting sick of seeing those pirate kids.

Posted: May 15th 2010 11:25PM Diosoth said

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It's either piracy or used games. What next, sue people who give bad reviews to games? That would hurt sales too, I'd think.

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