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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:06PM cbarrentos said

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of course Game Stop isn't worried about the Online Pass.
they'll still be selling used games to a general public that doesn't know better, and they'll still be making their millions.

Posted: May 20th 2010 5:06PM bioadam said

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True words, GameStop's entire business model relies on an ignorant consumer. Goozex FTW.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 5:14PM carg0 said

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and even if they do know better, what the hell's an extra 5 to 10 bucks gonna do to stop used game sales? hardly what i'd call a deterrent.

"oh no, i bought it used! now i have to pay an extra $10! where will i ever find that kind of money?!?" *sob*

if publishers really wanted to put a dent in used game sales, they'd charge at least $50 for these 'Online Passes'.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:06PM MLS said

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Too bad the last sentence in the article wasn't a quote by GS. I think the company is at the point where they can get away with a quote like "We'll stay in profit because our patrons are too ignorant too look elsewhere", because, let's face it, their patrons are too ignorant to ever look up a site like this and read about it.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:12PM (Unverified) said

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And I thought EA was turning around for the better too...disappointing.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:14PM SolaceInSound said

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You guys are so blind in your bigotry. Gamestop is a business in busines to make money it's their JOB. Their clients aren't ignorant, but your sure seem to have some ignorance about you. Half their shoppers are core gamers who understand this. They wouldn't make as much money if people didn't enjoy shopping there. They know what they're doing from a business standpoint, they aren't around to make everyone one of you whiney Internet fanboys happy, they're around to make money and they do it well.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:26PM jynxycat said

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You'd like to think half their business was core gamers.

Work at a Gamestop for a couple months. It's mostly families and uninformed people who don't know any better.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:34PM MLS said

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Why do you care? What are you, heir to the Gamestop fortune? It's a lousy pawn shop that smells funny, generally has annoying employees and management, and overtly takes advantage of people who don't know better to squeeze a few bucks outta them.

Core gamers have the internet. Shop online for more convenience and a better price. My copy of Alan Wake from Amazon arrived day of release, came with a $10 gift card, and just this morning, amazon auto-refunded me $10 because the price had recently gone down since my purchase.

If this were a Gamestop, i would have had to pay a pre-order fee, drove there to get it, pay $60+tax, then have the neckbeard behind the counter try to shill some strategy guide or mag subscription on me; or would have probably lied to me to trick me into buying the SE instead, or the DLC that comes free with the game anyway.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:48PM xGeneral DEATHxDEETH82 said

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Yeah, so far the majority I have seen in Gamestops are parents with whiney kids and a few hipsters that know someone who works at the store. That being said, they ARE a business and they ARE going to make money, and opinions aren't going to sway them, because a business that large looks at sales reports more than Joystiq posts. I don't do business with them often because I can get used games elsewhere for much less, but every once in awhile they have a promotion that fits the timing/pricing I might want on a new release so I suck it up and take in some trades.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 5:53PM abelpc said

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I worked at a Gamestop for a little over 2 years.. majority of the gamers we got in were "Cheap" gamers. They didn't care about Online, DLC, or "Extras". All they wanted was a game to keep them preoccupied for a day and that they could return to get another title.. Gamestop lets you return a used game for full refund in 5 days.
Parents were hesitant to buy used games and yes they were VERY uninformed to gaming in general. This program from EA won't really change much.. the guys that want the online features will buy new.. It will affect someone like me that Rents Sport titles instead of forking over 60 bucks every year. 10 bucks for online doesn't add much to my over all cost with my Gamefly account.. so it doesn't really matter to me.

JUST KEEP THIS IN MIND.. if someone only offered you 25 bucks for a 60 dollar game a week after you bought it... WOULD YOU TAKE IT?
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Posted: May 20th 2010 11:18PM (Unverified) said

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its funny to me also that mainly the people who bash a gamestop (which seems to be a vast majority) dont realize that most likely the stores are just poorly managed/operated, and just like most JOBS, you have obligations to fulfill. Trust if you go to a store that is run efficiently with competent employees that understand that sometimes you just cant get everyone to pre-order or anything (for various reasons) then your perceptions will change. I myself understand that as a GS employee I wont get pre-orders from everyone (even though I see more benefits from first-hand experience in doing so) so I wont get pissy, but its part of MY JOB. and ppl act like they will get assassinated if they dont preorder, get a hold of yourselves, just shop somewhere else, the businesses will get their money by other means.

As far as the investors' remarks I understand why he says that GS isnt worried, though I could quite careless whether a person buys new or used for these specific games cause they will get informed either way about the stipulations of buying new/used and such though I would try to save them money. Picture this: if a consumer of GS were to buy a game used and they were a member of the discount program of the store, their game would be dropped to 50. These passes are 10 dollars so from a consumer's stance they would still take advantage of the used return policy if they dont like the game and still come out cheaper/just about the same. For GS, their used sales are driven. I tested that theory with a BFBC customer the other day with the VIP code and they ended up coming out cheaper than if they returned the used copy to buy new. Everything just boils down to common sense and being informed on things.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:15PM Prox said

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I know I can buy points from home, but I'd rather pick up a points card from a store than give Microsoft my credit card info. They have a nasty habit of auto-renewing Live for you and it is damn near impossible to get them to take your credit card info off file.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:33PM KingOfGods said

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Not hard at all. Just turn off auto renew and remove card....simple
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Posted: May 21st 2010 9:34AM Prox said

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Their practices must have changed, then.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:18PM Shadowbender said

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GameStop nearly has a monopoly, because stupid people fail to recognize the fact that Target, Walmart, Best Buy, and more, have video game sections. They act as if GameStop is the only option.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:26PM Grey said

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the world economy revolves around stupid people...
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Posted: May 20th 2010 8:22PM sqlrob said

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Nearly has a monopoly? BS.

Walmart is the number one vendor of games. Not Gamestop, Walmart.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:21PM letherclad said

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I thought the Tiger Woods jokes would start to get old, but nope, they still amuse me

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:21PM Shadowbender said

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Haha, when GameStop told me I couldn't get Super Smash Bros. Brawl from them on opening day because I didn't preorder it, we said really loudly in the store "All right, guys! TIME FOR WALMART!"

Then again, I don't respect Walmart all that much either. Target FTW.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:23PM Dizazter said

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"ave us an opportunity"?

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:46PM cbarrentos said

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it's clearly a British dialect.
"Let's 'ave us some opportunity, eh Guv'nah?"
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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:25PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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All that does is makes me less inclined to pick up an abundance of games rather then just one full priced one, fine by me, just means industry gets less of my money and games I would have otherwise picked up won't get a looking :)

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:31PM Grey said

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doesn't that mean you lose too? Why would you want to play less games?
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Posted: May 20th 2010 5:16PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Of course it means I lose, but then I don't have much choice in the matter now do I, I'm not saying the pass is detrimental to all games because that would sound like its the be all end all, so far, its EA and THQ, but if the idea was ever to spread, then it could be quite a hindrance and mean I'd just have the same disposable income to spend on less games, its a sacrafice I'd have to make, but it would also mean that games I would have bought, just to see what they were like would either have to wait for a purchase or never get purchased.

Not happy about it, but then I understand it from the developers and Gamestops point of view as well. They need to make money, I need to keep money :)
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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:28PM jynxycat said

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GameStop has a large enough margin on their used products that they can just lower the price of NewGame-2011 to $45 used, to offset the $10 needed for online play.

That will also cause more used sales from people who either don't know that the online isn't included, or people who just don't care about online.

In the end, GameStop continues to profit, and the whiney game publishers probably sell less new games than they did before.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:31PM TheMichaelJackson said

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Of course GameStop isn't worried, because their consumers don't know any better.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:32PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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I think I will have to pass. Sorry for the lack of punglasses.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:37PM Altairio said

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Look, Gamestop isn't stupid. They're not going to step out and berate one of the biggest game publishers out there. They obviously can see EA,THQ,etc targeting their used game business, and if anything they will just lower the trade in values they offer to compensate. The bottom line is, this isn't about Gamestop. This about us. The consumers. Seriously people, put your foot down. They are turning us against one another. In the THQ post there were comments berating used buyers equating buying a used game to theft. Let's get some perspective. Gamers unite. Etcetera.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:50PM MLS said

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That's a shame that used = theft has cropped up. I always brought that situation up in the music piracy debate. I still buy CDs, but most of my favorite albums of the last few years have come from Sweden, Scotland, and Japan. So obviously I'm cruising ebay instead of forking for a wrapped $45 import. Somehow people who are crazy anti-music piracy don't see that as so bad. Maybe because there is no singular big retailer making a killing on the system.

Used game trading isn't all that evil. I used to do it back in the early 00's, but found I like having a collection to hold on to more. The way Gamestop does it though. It feels like the consumer is being ripped by the middle man. Just do it online, people.
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Posted: May 20th 2010 7:18PM El Stefio said

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While I understand the point that is made about the impact of used game sales on the industry, I fail to see why the argument is never made anywhere else at all. Absolutely nowhere - not music, film, cars, houses, mobile phones....

Seriously - wtf makes games so special that they alone are a problem when it comes to the second hand market?

Also, online pass is basically bollocks - the argument that the second-hand buyer has to pay for their online wouldn't be so bad to me if Mr I-Bought-It-New (who has apparently already covered an online slot) is no longer using his. What online pass says to me is "we'll milk multiple online accounts from one copy of the game".

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Posted: May 20th 2010 4:39PM (Unverified) said

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"In other words, if used game sales drop, so will the prices."

Ummm... I think the main point that Raines was making is that online content actually extends the resale life of certain games.

I'm pretty sure that Gamestop is counting on the number of customers who buy used games containing DLC to increase over time. And that would actually keep the price of those games higher even longer than usual.

It seems more like that should've been "Conversely" rather than "In other words." But i'm just splitting hairs, and could be totally wrong.

Posted: May 20th 2010 4:58PM Mr Khan said

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I don't know why attitudes are so negative. Certainly GameStop usually doesn't have consumers' best interests at heart, but in this case their position is far preferable to the alternative. We shouldn't necessarily be pulling for them, but we should be pushing against this.

This is profanely anti-consumer, and isn't going to teach the publishers what they need to figure out about stopping used sales.

Posted: May 20th 2010 5:08PM Mcmax3000 said

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I'm willing to bet that they're more worried then they're letting on.

If they were to come out and say that they expect one of their main forms of revenue to be effected significantly, their stock price would plummet.

Now, I'm not saying that they're in trouble or anything, just that they're not going to let on if they're worried.

Posted: May 20th 2010 8:25PM sqlrob said

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This was an investor call. They need to hedge their bets in calls and filings or they'll get sued by shareholders. So this means they really aren't worried.

Whether or not that's foolish is a different question
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Posted: May 20th 2010 5:39PM BigD145 said

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"EA and THQ are looking to slow used game sales with the EA Sports Online Pass and THQ's unnamed, similar program for UFC Undisputed 2010"

Should that read, "looking to bring all game sales to a grinding halt"?

Posted: May 20th 2010 5:49PM Justravis said

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Thing that only strikes me about this is - I pay for xbox live / to play with quality and to watch some great movies and shoot some noobs, but I really dont want to fork more over to the developer just to play their 5 maps which are built into the game and should not need a code to unlock online play - once I pay for xbox live and put my ethernet cord inside the 360 - I should have a damn good reason to play online without having to put more cashout.

Thats like a guy jaywalking across the street and getting smoked by a car then having to pay a fine in the hospital for jaywalking

Posted: May 20th 2010 5:58PM Metal Muse said

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well you should have preordered it at gamestop because they give you free things

Posted: May 20th 2010 6:15PM Usr666 said

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This shit about making consumers buy new for playing online or free dlc I'd crap. I refuse to buy any game, new or used, that requires me to enter in a code to play online. Screw ea.

Posted: May 20th 2010 6:21PM abelpc said

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we had the same thing happen in my store.. we only got enough copies of the game for our preorders.. we didn't care that much if you went to Walmart to get your copy.. and the guys that did make a scene about the fact they were going to Walmart were laughed at by the customers in the store.. we just shook our heads and kept ringing up sales.

Guys really just need to get over it.. Gamestop bashing is so passe`
If you don't like Gamestop.. STOP SHOPPING at their Store and be done with it. ]

Sheesh.. you kids need to grow up.

Posted: May 20th 2010 7:37PM DerekUGA said

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You should all see this the way todd does.

I was really looking forward to getting Madden 11 on release day but I will not buy another EA game unless they stop this ridiculous practice. As I have said before, I will go back to 8 bit and just play NES if that is what it takes. Stop letting these companies rape the market and quit making your parents spend more money for less product, kids.

Posted: May 20th 2010 8:08PM joshrocker said

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What most people fail to see is if a trade in would usually net you $25-$30 and another consumer would buy your copy used from Gamestop for $50-$55. Now, Gamestop is going to have to offer you $10 less for your trade in because they're going to need to charge $10 less to the person buying your copy. So if you like to buy a lot of games and trade them in for newer games you'll now be receiving $10 less on your trade but you'll still need to pay $10 extra dollars to EA for the same gaming experiance you have been used to.

In the end, the consumer loses. Both of these companies will come out fine. EA will actually make more money and Gamestop should be making the same. The consumer is the only person who comes away from this deal worse then before.

As far as the whole "used game debate". Theres a huge market out there for anything used. Music, cars, houses etc. . . For some reason used game buyers are singled out as crooks and thieves for buying something 2nd hand. Does Ford go to the corner car lot and tell the dealer how he is stealing money from them? Do home builders insist that we all buy new homes or otherwise we're all immoral?

Posted: May 24th 2010 1:45AM (Unverified) said

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My only problem with Gamestop is the way they screw people on the value of their trade ins.

They gave me $1.95 credit for trading in Forza 2, and they turn around and sell it for 20-30 bucks. I had to do it too, since I was a couple bucks short of being able to pay for the copy of Skate 3 my girlfriend pre-ordered for me.

Just don't trade in old games, and you can avoid most of their butt-rapery. And if you REALLY hate Gamestop, DON'T SHOP THERE! Problem solved.

Posted: May 21st 2010 2:20AM golobulus said

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gamestop should be worried in general.

Posted: May 22nd 2010 3:55PM (Unverified) said

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I don't know why people are getting mad the only thing i'm thinking of is microsoft points for 10 bucks used copies are five bucks cheaper if not more and it will be like buying it at new price with MC points for 10 and have alot more points left over for more DLC, Arcade Games or Games on Demand. I just smell win for me. LOL Does this mean that EA's plan kinda backfires.

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