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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:34PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Was my $130 not enough? =O
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:39PM spacemonkey086 said

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Hopefully Red Dead Sales remain strong. I bought some stock because of that game and hopefully LA Noire is successful as well.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:40PM lonecow said

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I know this is shallow, but I honestly couldn't play Bioshock II because that Big Daddy on the cover looks like Bomberman. I blame Joystiq for that of course. But they were right, I can't unsee it.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:41PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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That's a terrible excuse to not play such a solid title.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:47PM Hank Hill said

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Now that it's cheap I've been thinking of picking up Bioshock 2. I've heard that it's only half as good as the first one... Your opinions on this fellas? I played the original and had a blast.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:48PM lonecow said

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I guess you will have half a blast then.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:50PM Acosta02 said

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Oh, hardly. Bioshock 2 is probably MORE fun than the first. It gives you way more options on how to fight.


The game overall probably isn't as good, but it's certainly not a drastic decrease.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:50PM Hank Hill said

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Well that sure would be a shame.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:53PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Bioshock 2 is great, in my opinion. Definitely holds up to it's predecessor.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:58PM philmcfail said

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@ Hank

Hell yeah, I personally loved BS2. Its just as every bit as good as the first one, and gameplay wise, it's even better. I think most people are complaining mostly due to the fact that it didn't improve enough compared to titles. Like other sequels such as Assassins Creed 1 to AC2 or Mass Effect 1 to ME2. Those titles pretty much revamped almost all aspects of their predecessors. In BS2 you feel like your playing BioShock with little improvements/revisions that were needed, which isn't a problem IMO. Also, there is still no Game Plus mode, Ill tell you that right now. After your done, you either play online or shelve it cause there is no multiple play thrus.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:01PM RDX said

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EXACTLY. It's impossible not to see a cute and cuddly Bomberman looking back at you. Sours the vibe a little.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:08PM faceturd said

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Bioshock was a ton of fun. Its a shame that so many people seemed to have written it off. Many aspects of the game are even better than the first, its just that rapture isn't as "oh-ah" new. Minor flaw in the end.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 8:15PM AutobotIronhide said

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Bioshock 2 is probably my favorite next gen title (besides the wonderful Super Mario Galaxy 2). It's just amazing how clever they laid out the storyline (if that makes sense), and the multiplayer kept me going for months. I'm still playing it.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 8:18PM AutobotIronhide said

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By the way, I thought Hank Hill didn't like videuh gaems?
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 8:41PM KyGuyTC7 said

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I had a great time with bioshock 2, I played through the original multiple times and am going to have a second play through the second to pick up missed achievements and get the "evil" ending

story and atmosphere are still very good and the game play mechanics are much better
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 8:49PM (Unverified) said

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I've heard the 2 reasons most people see 2 as inferior are:
A: 1's story was better and B: 2 feels too similar to 1, like something you'd play on DLC.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 11:08PM faceturd said

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@ A and B guy - But thats the thing, besides the introduction to rapture and the big reveal of Bioshock, the story in Bioshock 2 was actually a lot more cohesive and interesting from start to finish. After the Big Reveal in #1 the story line and game were pretty weak.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:43PM MLC said

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RDR will be bring some serious revenue for Take-2 and R*. Rumor has that the game sold around 5 mill so far and counting. Also, w/ Mafia II and etc releasing this year, Take-2 should be doing ok for the rest of the year.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:45PM PreGHz said

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What's Bomberman doing in Bioshock?
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:54PM OzCueball said

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I'm sorry . . . but you're wrong.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:54PM Dante G said

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I can't recall too many boars in FPSs. Maybe you're thinking of MMORPGs.

:P
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:57PM KungFuChaosNinja said

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That's a crying shame. The lower sales were definitely due to the fact that hardly any PS3 folks bought it. That's just unacceptable. Jordan Thomas and his team at 2K Marin did a stellar job on BioShock 2. It had a personal story between the Big Daddy and Little Sister. It had a political story like the original but this time it was about collectivism. It had great new characters and a wonderful overarching story. It had improved combat. Was it as great as the first? Well, that's entirely subjective. Honestly, I like both of them equally for different reasons.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:03PM s ls said

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uh people on the PS3 didn't buy it because Heavy Rain was released around the same time. Most people went for Heavy Rain because it was something new and exclusive unlike BioShock 2
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:07PM Raiki said

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No, the truth is that the multi-player was so bad and the single-player campaign was short. My local GameStop had 10 used copies almost immediately after launch. There was no replay value so people sold it quickly. People who don't buy at launch generally buy used or wait for a price drop, so that's why sales stopped quickly.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:07PM KungFuChaosNinja said

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Neither is a competitor, as they're completely different games. Why can't 2 great PS3 games show up on the top 10 NPDs (Heavy Rain and BioShock 2)? The 360 and Wii have multiple games in the top 10 each month, so why didn't the PS3 base support both?

I bought both and supported both.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:09PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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The same reason people choose Taco Bell over McDonalds, or vice versa. It's about what you want. In this economy it's hard for people to drop $120+Tax on 2 games at once.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:10PM KungFuChaosNinja said

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Raiki:

The multiplayer is very solid.

And the single player was 10-12 hours, which is the average to above average length of a linear, story driven experience.

Heavy Rain was even shorter at 7-8 hours and no multiplayer.

BioShock 2, much like Heavy Rain, were both worth buying. And both the single player and multiplayer were meaty enough for the price that was being asked. It was #1 in the NPDs for Xbox 360 the month it released, so there's no excuse thtr it wasn't even in the top 10 on PS3.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:14PM KungFuChaosNinja said

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Spike Spiegel - Humble Bounty Hunter:

That's not really my argument. If a person can buy a few games a month, like myself, then all the better. However, many 360 and Wii games make it into the top 10 each month. Hell, BioShock 2 and many other releases on Xbox 360 (mostly multiplats) made it in the top 10 NPDs. That doesn't mean one person bought both games. It means that there was an audience for each release, including BioShock 2. Why doesn't the PS3 have this audience? Your system should be capable of churning more than one top 10 NPD chart spot each month. Both of those games should've made it. Heavy Rain was either #9 or #10, and that game arguably deserved a higher spot, too. But BioShock 2 for PS3 was nowhere to be found.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:27PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Very valid point. Not sure why the PS3 version didn't do so well. It sold about 200k copies vs the 360's 500k something. I am just tired of seeing Just Dance up top for so long.
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Posted: Jun 9th 2010 1:08AM Raiki said

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The multiplayer was not solid at all. I bought Bioshock 2 on the PC (as well as Heavy Rain that week) and I found there to be so many issues with the multiplayer. In addition, when they made a new update there was so much lag, it was unbelieveable. Maybe it was different on the consoles, but it was a PC trainwreck.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 5:59PM Acosta02 said

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RDR has board but isn't first person.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:00PM Acosta02 said

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*boars
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:11PM Matrixxxx said

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You couldn't be more off on a game, seriously Bioshock 2 was excellent. I can't wait for a 3rd game. They should do some single player DLC if they don't want to make another full retail game just yet. I loved both 1 and 2.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:12PM Carl1412 said

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I agree with you Jesse!

I bought Bioshock on PS3 after hearing so many great things about it. Played it, and thought it was a resounding meh on the first time through. Thought i'd play it through again and was too bored to even finish it.

/prepares for downvote
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:28PM CarlosPacheco said

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Bioshock 2 is perfect example of a game that did not need to be made, the first BioShock was amazing and had a great/complete story. I for one didn't see the need for a sequel thus didn't bother picking it up. I would rather just play the original over and over again.

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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:55PM Kinney76 said

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Utter nonsense. You're punishing the company because the original game was too good? Or that it didn't have a cheap cliffhanger ending?

"Wow 2K, just finished Bioshock and loved it. It was so good in fact that if you made another very good game in the same universe I would refuse to play it. The first was *that* good."

That's just dumb.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:29PM TRONdll said

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It still looks like Bomberman.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 6:44PM johnperkins21 said

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If it had lower than expected sales, I think their expectations were likely too high. The first game was a bit of a surprise hit, and without the lead designer, or a clear reason to extend the story, many gamers simply weren't interested in a sequel.

Apparently, they predicted 5 million units sold, and have only hit 3 million so far. I would have predicted 1.5 million units, and been pleasantly surprised.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 7:14PM Shagittarius said

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I read jessetaylor's post when the hype was big and everyone was replying but I didnt get it , it just seemed stupid are boaring to me.

Then I tried to read Carl's sequel but I just have no interest in lamers anymore.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 9:58PM Vanuslux said

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Bioshock 2 was quite good. I loved the first one immensely, but Bioshock 2 was a worthy sequel. It had some elements that were an improvement, but unfortunately it took longer to draw you into the story than the first one did and I think that caused a lot of people to judge it more harshly in comparison.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 10:47PM 343 Guilty Fart said

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I just picked up Bioshock 2 yesterday at Fry's for $33
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Posted: Jun 9th 2010 3:13PM AutobotIronhide said

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Fry as in Futurama?

No seriously. Is fry's a major gaming outlet?
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Posted: Jun 8th 2010 11:05PM (Unverified) said

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I bought the first bioshock because I liked system shock 2.

When I found that they had stripped out all of the interesting non linear rpg elements and turned it into an FPS I lost interest in the franchise.

It annoys me when devs cash in on a franchise to make a flavour of the month game. If you want to make an fps, start another franchise, dont butcher an existing one to cash in on the brand awareness.

BS2 was entirely unnecessary for me.
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Posted: Jun 9th 2010 12:59AM (Unverified) said

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Currently in my second run of Bioshock 2. Anyone who liked the first one should like the second - it has the same atmosphere, the same polish, and the same feel. Only complaint is that I actually preferred the hacking mini-game from the original Bioshock over the timed press thing there is now.

In fact, if 2K made a downloadable version of Bioshock's hack-pipe-goo game as a standalone game I would be all over it.
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Posted: Jun 9th 2010 2:50AM Doctor Doom said

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Can't...Unsee....Bomberman. Arggg!
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Posted: Jun 9th 2010 9:30AM debosbike said

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Bioshock seemed like a one-off type game. I didn't get the second b/c I didn't feel there was anything else to it. I'm probably wrong in my assumption, but my gaming time is limited and being sucked up by Borderlands now.
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Posted: Jun 9th 2010 10:02AM paper said

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Here is hoping this makes them create another great new game franchise. I am kinda sick of sequels, feels like that is really what we get these days.
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