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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:45AM Xcrucio said

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@chrisredfield31

A second 360? Who the hell just goes out and buys a second 360 unless theirs breaks?
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 4:00AM Crayola Q Pants ESQ said

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@chrisredfield31

Your point?

Just because people have the money doesn't make something a justified purpose. Nowadays such an argument may not hold weight, but for me it definitely took a while for a ps3 to actually become worth the initial outlay.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 4:01AM Crayola Q Pants ESQ said

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purpose/purchase, it's been a hard day
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:45AM holo7 said

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Meh. All of this motion control garbage. $50 for move, $30 for Nav, eye camera is what 30ish?

That's a hefty entry fee for a 'casual' gaming device. Think I'll let grandma and pops stick to their wii's and look forward to portal 2.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 4:12AM Faenix said

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@holo7

Move: $50
Nav: $30
Cam: $34

-Doubt you'll need more then one cam, so thats about $114 first go, then $80 per person there after.

For 1:1 gaming on Wii, you need about $85 per person. So, the first person to "get it going" will be expensive, but after that its cheaper then wii.

Remote: $45-with motion plus: $60
Nunchuk: $25
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 8:17AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@holo7

@Only sublime

We don't know the full details yet, Sony already made it clear they were looking into ways you could avoid having to need two controllers for some games, maybe implementing your sixaxis in some way, thats if you care about playing ALL Move games, the typical consumer only needs one wand. If they want to play any of the other two wanded games, they'll buy another wand, what's the issue here?

People are doing that make-the-highest-possible-calculation thing again like they did for 360 -_-
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 12:33PM scratchh said

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@onlysublime
ah but why do you need 2 move controllers for each person? it doesn't currently look like there are any games with 2 players each using 2 move controllers at once. In other words, you can just trade off a second move controller when needed.

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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:55AM Xcrucio said

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@zelderman

Until you need a camera(bundled with the sports game and the rave wand at $99)... and a navigation controller($29) which pushes the price of just a single player experience for move into a potential Kinect price range (100-150).

I'm not saying one is better than the other. They're both hella expensive (if the Kinect price of $150 is real, but even $100 isn't cheap) and I don't think I'll invest in either because I simply don't have the money to do so with all the other excellent games coming out that don't need motion controls.

Though I would love a kinect just for the dashboard navigation, especially if they just gave me one. :P

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:58AM Xcrucio said

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Oh of course my reply ended up down here, awesome.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 4:37AM onlysublime said

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are you so dense to ignore reality?
you need $180 for 1 player to make sure you can play all the move games that are out there. because to play all the move games, you need 2 move controllers, 1 nav controller, and 1 cam. that's just 1 player.
and if it's 2 players, that's $180(1 bundle, 1 extra move, 1 nav) + $130 (2 move, 1 nav).
the cheapest way to do move is if you already have the cam.
then you buy 2 move controllers and 1 nav controller. that's $130 for 1 player.
then $130 per additional player.
if you don't have the cam already and don't want the bundled game, it's $50 move + 50 move + $30 cam + $30 nav = $160 for 1 player
then it's $130 per additional player
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 4:29AM Navick said

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I don't understand why anyone would complain about the Nav Controller when you can just use your Dualshock 3 for now... No need to buy it just yet. Just use your Dualshock 3, which everyone (almost..) has already. If you feel that you will be playing games that require the Nav (Or Dualshock 3) then you upgrade to the Nav later... Simple...

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 4:31AM Yeah TB said

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@ zelderman: Well, for someone like me who doesn't have the EyeToy camera or whatever the actual name is, the camera, Move, and Navigation Controller will run me over $100. And that's just so one person can play, whereas Kinect is one camera and you're living room is set. I'm really not interested in either Move or Kinect at the moment, just saying.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:11AM Odog4ever said

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No, you want to use fuzzy math to make Move look like a better deal. Is there a hard number out for Eye Toy penetration? I'm guessing that a lot of people will have to get the $99 bundle to get started.

Not to mention all the trailers and eventually TV commercials that will feature the nav controller or even a second Move controller being used by one person. So people are going to think they need another piece bringing the price up to $130-150. So now it's on pair with the suspected Kinect price.

Can't we just be agree that it's going to come down to personal preference, deals, and who has the better marketing campaign? Competition and choice is actually good for consumers...
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 6:40AM elemental sin said

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Um.. That's not quite true. For the 'full' Move experience it's closer to $100... $50 gets you the one controller.. for the second it's another 30 or 40 if I'm not mistaken.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 6:41AM elemental sin said

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comment fail... that was in response to zelderman... the guy above me *unverified* is right...

Overall, if you're not up to date on PS3 gizmo's such as the eyetoy.. you're looking at close to the same price.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 7:28AM TaintedKane said

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I thought it was 50 for the stick and ball controller and 30 dollars for the other one. So all together 80 right? Still better than the rumor 150

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 7:33AM Dustin F said

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@WINterfang

Socom 4, my friend, will be a great game if the video was an honest representation.

I don't really have a beef with the 360, but the PS3's motion control just seems like more product and more fun. I like the wii''s style of control, but don't like their games. I never liked the Eyetoy, and I just don't think even a version that works really well would be much fun.

I'm willing to seriously bet that Move buyers have a higher attach rate than Kinietch's do, two years after launch.

I also wouldn't be surprised if some Kiniecth games do get ported over as Eye games.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:01AM ExplicitFunction said

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I honestly believe that kinect is the more impressive technology and MS have done a great job, but with little applications in gaming. They can pump out any amount of minigames and exercise games they want, but i can't see anything close to the complexity of some of these move games.

That being said half of these will probably be better with a controller anyway.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 7:35AM McWilly said

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@zelderman Only the move dildo is $50. The whole package will cost close to $150 (wand, camera, sub controller)

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:09PM incredibilistic said

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Got Math? Move with PSEye, wand and sub-controller is $120. Kinect is $150.

And with Move, just like the Wii, the sub-coontroller isn't required for all games. You'll probably need it for games like Killzone 3 and SOCOM but most other games will only require the wand.

Attach rate for Move will be way higher than Kinect as well. Look no further than the launch list for both systems and you'll see that hard core gamers will be more inclined to pick up Move. There are NO hard core experiences or ways to implement Kinect into existing games. Move has a huge advantage there.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 8:12AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@WINterfang

Not really McWilly

If PS3 move buyers wait for a bit, they may discover better deals in time, the nav in optional, and sony already made clear you can get a game, with the cam and a wand for $99, which would mean without the game it's already cheaper to get the cam and wand. That being said, most likely you won't need a nav unless you feel you WANT to buy one, for Killzone, you can still switch over to your regular controller, its not a necessity, and even if you should decide to get one, chances are you'd be able to get Socom bundled with it or something.

I can't see how that could be anything but win/win, besides, people will complain about pricing, but that was never a problem when they were buying several wiimotes, nunchucks, wiifit boards and other peripherals, so I don't understand why it would be a problem now.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 2:01PM cool8man said

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Realistically you're going to need to buy a second wand for $50 unless you only ever plan to play alone or you never play any two handed games. That means that Playstation Move costs at least $150. If you want to play full 2-4 multiplayer it could end up costing you over $300 for 4 wands and 2 nav controllers.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 8:24AM erh said

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Move is obviously optional in games like SOCOM 4 and Killzone 3. Are there any big-name or anticipated games that REQUIRE Move?

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 2:06PM PN04 said

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@erh I suppose it depends on if you like Time Crisis. Remember the idea hear is that some games will require it if they are developed specifically for it and some wont, they'll just add extra functionality to a game that you could still play with a regular controller.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 8:55AM jah75157 said

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I'll only be getting it if there's a socom 4 bundle, if i want to play a wii, i'll turn mine on.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:08AM Elranzer said

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The list is kinda underwhelming, but I will get Move for Sorcery alone.

However, I won't be getting Move until Sorcery is released. I'm not gonna bother until I know it's not canceled or delayed.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:03AM ExplicitFunction said

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They warned me about the comment system, said it would get me too, but nothing could prepare me for this.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:16AM Odog4ever said

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Why do comments jump to the wrong place. This was for Mcducked...
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:12AM tendoboy1984 said

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*sigh* So many clueless people here.

First off, I think the price of the Move is just right. $50 is slightly cheaper than a DualShock 3. You don't have to buy the Navigation controller, you can just use a standard PS3 controller, though I don't know how comfortable that will be. I do wish the Move+camera+game bundle was a bit cheaper, but oh well.

And to all the people saying "I need to buy 4 sets of controllers to play with my friends", no you don't. Make your friends buy their own controllers. I have a Wii, but I don't go out and buy 4 Wii Remotes and 4 Nunchucks.

Also, the MotionPlus is now bundled with the Wii Remote, and it only costs $50... THE SAME PRICE AS A PS MOVE! How about that?!

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:15AM LuTon James said

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So what, they just gave up on the new Ape Escape for move? I don't even really care about move but this no new AE is really grinding my gears. Just tell me it's been left on the shelf and I'll go track down the first two.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 2:09PM PN04 said

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@LuTon James More than likely it's still in development but just not at a stage where they can talk about it. Or a developer that is working on it is doing another game before they can do that one. In any case while I'd bet is still coming I wouldnt expect it soon if that's your biggest issue.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:27AM Diezal said

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Did anyone notice Sly Collection 'sneaking' in there?
See what I did there? Yeah!

But seriously...that should be interesting to see on how they add motion control to a Sly game.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 6:46PM MLC said

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Why would they patch the older game and the latest ? I think even in the conference @ E3 they were demoing Tiger 11.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 11:11AM TheMightyEthan said

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Any word on how many of these require Move? I'm stoked for LittleBigPlanet 2, but I think I'd prefer to use the DS3.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 12:36PM scratchh said

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@TheMightyEthan

LBP2 will NOT require the move for sure. it will just make building stuff so much easier.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 2:11PM PN04 said

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@TheMightyEthan and it would make two player games a little more interesting. as you can interact with the levels with move as someone else plays through with a controller.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:07PM killdash9 said

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@PN04
"YOU DO NOT NEED TO BUY THE NAV CONTROLLER
How many times does it need to be said? to continues to ignore this just makes you a troll!"

I would agree with you if I had actually been ignoring that. Instead, I was genuinely not aware, and considering how many people in this comments section seem also to be unaware, it is clear that Sony needs to do more work publicizing this fact. At the Sony page for the Nav controller, it's only a "Note" at the bottom of the page that says the DualShock can be used instead of the Nav.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:12PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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I think people are kicking up a fuss for no reason -_- Few if any of the games REQUIRE move, so its not like Wii, you don't HAVE to use move for every game you play. Second, if you do decide to buy move it will cost 80, nothing more nothing less, if you then decide you want to have more move sticks, you buy more, few of the games on that list NEED move at all, even fewer need two move wands to play for one person, I think only the gladiator and boxing need 2 so far, and chances are you'll be too busy playing online to worry about people next to you needing move sticks, remember, this is PS3, not Wii Sports, online is almost integral.

Either way, if Move has the games you want, you will be willing to pay, this is almost as pointless as whining about buying all the gadgets to go with Wii, Wiifit board alone cost me the equivalent of 3+ wands when I bought it for my mum and sister, and thats for one person. I hardly think that buying an extra wand will be such an issue hell itself will freeze over.

If you don't like the price, don't buy, yet, you somehow try to justify spending on Kinect instead, when the price of Kinect (rumoured price) is the equivalent of 2+ almost 3 people playing Move with one wand each anyway -_- WITH THE CAM.

And thats 3 people happily playing Little Big Planet instead of doing Yoga, yoga, that they can do for a cheaper price on the Wii.

I don't see the logic to this argument.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 6:50PM MLC said

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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:54PM xaduurv said

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Swing move to Jason!

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