We understand that the retail listings are speculative, but it may be worth putting aside $1.08 aside every day until Kinect's release just in case -- unless it ends up being more.
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We understand that the retail listings are speculative, but it may be worth putting aside $1.08 aside every day until Kinect's release just in case -- unless it ends up being more.
[Thanks, Elias]
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:45PM Franklin Gothic said
Been said to death in the previous post, but $150 is too much. Not more than MS needs to make money on it, but more than I think most gamers will pay for it. Doubly so with the library that's announced...
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:49PM acefondu said
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I doubt most "gamers" would buy it. Heck, I don't even see many casual gamers buying it, bejeweled is still free to play on facebook, lol. What game at E3 did they show that would actually spur interest in gamers to pick up this thing? I didn't see one.
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I doubt most "gamers" would buy it. Heck, I don't even see many casual gamers buying it, bejeweled is still free to play on facebook, lol. What game at E3 did they show that would actually spur interest in gamers to pick up this thing? I didn't see one.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:57PM tonyprince said
i have a feeling microsoft doesnt really care about the price. simply because they already said that it wont be an impulse buy or something like that.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:59PM onan said
@Franklin Gothic
It really isn't that bad. $150 flat for all players, vs at least two $50 controllers and two $30 sub controllers - That's $160 for two player games, and that's not even factoring games that use (a) two ice cream cones per player, or (b) the camera, if you don't have it.
It just sucks it's lumped into one device, MS is going to lose this perceptual war.
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It really isn't that bad. $150 flat for all players, vs at least two $50 controllers and two $30 sub controllers - That's $160 for two player games, and that's not even factoring games that use (a) two ice cream cones per player, or (b) the camera, if you don't have it.
It just sucks it's lumped into one device, MS is going to lose this perceptual war.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:04PM EDay said
@Franklin Gothic : I agree, but I am not assuming this is the price. this is the price GameStop first put up, and everyone followed suit. That way people wouldn't avoid pre-ordering from them if they made their price too high, and they wouldn't get screwed if their price was too low.
If it turns out to be $99, they can lower the pre-order price. If a site lists it for $99 and it's $150, then they're out $50 for each pre-order.
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If it turns out to be $99, they can lower the pre-order price. If a site lists it for $99 and it's $150, then they're out $50 for each pre-order.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:09PM Ballistic H said
@Franklin Gothic
If a Move controller breaks, at least they'll be 3rd-party companies that'll make Move controllers for cheap to replace (< $50). If the Kinect breaks, there won't be a cheap 3rd-party Kinect, it'll be another $150 1st-party Kinect from Microsoft.
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If a Move controller breaks, at least they'll be 3rd-party companies that'll make Move controllers for cheap to replace (< $50). If the Kinect breaks, there won't be a cheap 3rd-party Kinect, it'll be another $150 1st-party Kinect from Microsoft.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:36PM ch3burashka said
@Franklin Gothic
Totally. It seems that they're trying to make money off the peripheral, when it's obvious that the best move would be to eat the cost of Kinect, sell it for 50-75 bucks and get it in as many homes as possible, and then sell more Kinect games.
I guess I'll wait for a price drop or Christmas. Perhaps even get the bundle during the holidays.
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Totally. It seems that they're trying to make money off the peripheral, when it's obvious that the best move would be to eat the cost of Kinect, sell it for 50-75 bucks and get it in as many homes as possible, and then sell more Kinect games.
I guess I'll wait for a price drop or Christmas. Perhaps even get the bundle during the holidays.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 4:08PM BananaBoat said
Sony was smart to only really list the price of the Move controller and the other one while making it seem like that is all you need. When you factor in the price of the camera (most of us don't have it), the price of the Move controller, and then the other controller, and then multiply that by how many players, you'd be paying much more for Move than Kinect potentially (as someone highlighted above).
I maintain my announcement-day comment that $150 is too high for a product they want to be mass market, but it's not as bad as I initially thought (when compared to Move at least). Whether or not the games are going to be more fun on Move than on Kinect is yet to be seen, and that is definitely a discussion for another time.
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I maintain my announcement-day comment that $150 is too high for a product they want to be mass market, but it's not as bad as I initially thought (when compared to Move at least). Whether or not the games are going to be more fun on Move than on Kinect is yet to be seen, and that is definitely a discussion for another time.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 4:16PM Ironhammer said
I'm not looking forward to Kinect at all. Give me good games, not goshdarn gimmicks!
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 5:10PM Mouthsmasher said
@Franklin Gothic: That's the truest post I've ever seen on Joystiq.
Personally, I'd bite at the $99 price assuming a game was packaged with it.
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Personally, I'd bite at the $99 price assuming a game was packaged with it.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 5:33PM Brodo said
@Franklin Gothic
People will buy it... Microsoft has gotten away with selling a wireless adapter for $100+ no problem at all.
All of there xbox accesories are completely overpriced, yet we don't see a price drop.
They will probably try and push the fact that a controller alone is $60, and they will say this is like having 4 contollers.
I think its a bunch of crap personally, should be priced more around $80
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People will buy it... Microsoft has gotten away with selling a wireless adapter for $100+ no problem at all.
All of there xbox accesories are completely overpriced, yet we don't see a price drop.
They will probably try and push the fact that a controller alone is $60, and they will say this is like having 4 contollers.
I think its a bunch of crap personally, should be priced more around $80
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 8:17PM PhilipJWitow said
@Franklin Gothic.
It's not bad if you look at it from a wide angle and compare it to the Wii, but for me I still see it as an $80 controller for Playstation Move.
I'm sure I'll end up buying two controllers, but by then I will justify it in my head (Oh it's way better than Natal, oh it's just another $80) etc.
It's sort of the whole PS3 vs Xbox Arcade argument. The PS3 rapes the crap out of the Xbox360 in terms of value, but everyone just looks at the prices and says the Xbox360 is cheaper (even though it costs much more in the long-run to get it to the same standard as the PS3).
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It's not bad if you look at it from a wide angle and compare it to the Wii, but for me I still see it as an $80 controller for Playstation Move.
I'm sure I'll end up buying two controllers, but by then I will justify it in my head (Oh it's way better than Natal, oh it's just another $80) etc.
It's sort of the whole PS3 vs Xbox Arcade argument. The PS3 rapes the crap out of the Xbox360 in terms of value, but everyone just looks at the prices and says the Xbox360 is cheaper (even though it costs much more in the long-run to get it to the same standard as the PS3).
Posted: Jun 19th 2010 2:06AM Mitsuo said
@Franklin Gothic
Don't forget guys you can swap the sub-controller for a dualshock 3. So you don't technically have to buy the sub-controller. Also the PS3 can only maintain 7 bluetooth connections so having 4 of each controller is out of the question for 4 players. Genereally it'll only be 1 controller per player or 2 controllers for 4 players at max. Not to mention they have a bundle for the Move if you don't have the camera where you get the move, eye toy, and a game for $100.
Barriers to entry aren't as high as you think.
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Don't forget guys you can swap the sub-controller for a dualshock 3. So you don't technically have to buy the sub-controller. Also the PS3 can only maintain 7 bluetooth connections so having 4 of each controller is out of the question for 4 players. Genereally it'll only be 1 controller per player or 2 controllers for 4 players at max. Not to mention they have a bundle for the Move if you don't have the camera where you get the move, eye toy, and a game for $100.
Barriers to entry aren't as high as you think.
Posted: Jun 19th 2010 3:52AM McDuckScrooged said
@Franklin Gothic
Seriously how many of the Kinect games so far shown have been 4 player ? I have only seen 2 player games, I haven't seen a single 4 player game for the kinect..
I could be wrong, can anyone confirm if they have in fact seen 4 players playing at the same time and on what games ? Joystiq editors ?
That is the 1st thing to consider, if it can only handle 2 players at any one time for any half decent game then surely its proposition as a 4 player device fails..
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Seriously how many of the Kinect games so far shown have been 4 player ? I have only seen 2 player games, I haven't seen a single 4 player game for the kinect..
I could be wrong, can anyone confirm if they have in fact seen 4 players playing at the same time and on what games ? Joystiq editors ?
That is the 1st thing to consider, if it can only handle 2 players at any one time for any half decent game then surely its proposition as a 4 player device fails..
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:56PM Ballistic H said
@Ridgecity
By the time they'll price it down, it will still be overpriced. Like all Microsoft's accessories.
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By the time they'll price it down, it will still be overpriced. Like all Microsoft's accessories.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:12PM Ballistic H said
@Ridgecity
Move Sports Champions bundle + Navigation controller = $130
Kinect device alone = $150
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Move Sports Champions bundle + Navigation controller = $130
Kinect device alone = $150
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:14PM Ballistic H said
@Ridgecity
Btw, Move games are $39.99, while Kinect games are $59.99
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Btw, Move games are $39.99, while Kinect games are $59.99
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:18PM FredFredrickson said
@Ridgecity
I agree - I think $150 a bit expensive, but really though, how does $150 not say "casual" when $250 for a Wii did a few years ago?
For people who already have an Xbox sitting around in the living room, it might still prove to be reasonable... especially if the kids are clamoring for Kinectimals for the holidays. All it'll take is one good commercial, don't even doubt it.
It might also not even be $150, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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I agree - I think $150 a bit expensive, but really though, how does $150 not say "casual" when $250 for a Wii did a few years ago?
For people who already have an Xbox sitting around in the living room, it might still prove to be reasonable... especially if the kids are clamoring for Kinectimals for the holidays. All it'll take is one good commercial, don't even doubt it.
It might also not even be $150, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:19PM erh said
Problem: Most casual gamers don't own 360s, so for them it's a $449 price!
Microsoft said they have ceased production of the old consoles, meaning no more "Arcade" unit once supplies run out. Unless Microsoft announces a new stripped-down slim console before Christmas, the price of entry has risen to $299 for just the console, and a speculated $449 for console and Kinect.
$449 for a Xbox+Kinect, verses $199 for a Wii - which do you think most parents will be buying for their kids this Christmas?
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Microsoft said they have ceased production of the old consoles, meaning no more "Arcade" unit once supplies run out. Unless Microsoft announces a new stripped-down slim console before Christmas, the price of entry has risen to $299 for just the console, and a speculated $449 for console and Kinect.
$449 for a Xbox+Kinect, verses $199 for a Wii - which do you think most parents will be buying for their kids this Christmas?
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:29PM Ridgecity said
@Ridgecity
@McWilly
"Wand+camera+sub-controller"
Comparisons are not how Microsoft should be pricing this. They should target the lowest price point possible for the best market adoption from their users and the new people that might want to get a console during the holidays.
If you wanna compare for $199 you get a controller, the sub-controller, a free game, and a free console if you buy Nintendo. Not to mention that's already the popular choice and what salesmen are probably recommending their customers.
Best leave comparisons out..
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how people react to this... I just don't see how apart from "new small console+kinect+great price" this will work for new buyers. From what I'm reading current users aren't liking this.
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@McWilly
"Wand+camera+sub-controller"
Comparisons are not how Microsoft should be pricing this. They should target the lowest price point possible for the best market adoption from their users and the new people that might want to get a console during the holidays.
If you wanna compare for $199 you get a controller, the sub-controller, a free game, and a free console if you buy Nintendo. Not to mention that's already the popular choice and what salesmen are probably recommending their customers.
Best leave comparisons out..
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how people react to this... I just don't see how apart from "new small console+kinect+great price" this will work for new buyers. From what I'm reading current users aren't liking this.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:47PM D3m0sthenes said
Yeah... no one is gonna buy this. Not at that much. Plus it's not as cool as it seemed a few months ago.
Oh well.
At least we got the slim.
And the 3DS!
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Oh well.
At least we got the slim.
And the 3DS!
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:48PM Zertoss said
FYI, if you preorder something through Amazon, and the price changes, you pay the lowest price, so if you preorder at $150 and it ends up being $180, you pay $150. Likewise, if you preorder at $150 and it ends up being $120, you pay $120.
So you COULD, in fact, start saving your $1.08 every day and be financially ready for Kinect's release.
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So you COULD, in fact, start saving your $1.08 every day and be financially ready for Kinect's release.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:57PM Ballistic H said
@Zertoss
By the time they'll price it down, it will still be overpriced. Like all Microsoft's accessories.
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By the time they'll price it down, it will still be overpriced. Like all Microsoft's accessories.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:48PM MystileArmor said
I have this feeling that Microsoft did somewhat set the price, then heard Sony's very appealing price point for Move and then panicked.
As much as I love my 360, for newcomers the price point of the Move is much more appealing. I seriously would expect MS to lower the price.
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As much as I love my 360, for newcomers the price point of the Move is much more appealing. I seriously would expect MS to lower the price.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:58PM Hunter2223 said
The pricing is interesting... Sony has some Wit about them on this one.
Say you are me... own both consoles, 2 controllers for each, and the Respective remotes...
To get into Kinect It would cost me $150... ouch, not great hopefully that would come with some software but we don't know yet. If it has software I'm good... otherwise it's another $30-$60 in cost... Ouch is right.
To get into move I'd go for the $99 bundle (no Eye-cam) and add on another $30 for the Don't call me Chuck.. I also have a wife who will want to play with me (and be honest the point of the motion stuff is to flail around with other people) so that's another $80 for a wand and Chuck. Or around $200 for 2 people to play and 1 game.
In super real world the Kinect is almost a better value... but the perceived value is on the Move side (ain't that a reversal of fortune)
I think that MS will price at closer to $130 so they can make the "Same price" argument.
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Say you are me... own both consoles, 2 controllers for each, and the Respective remotes...
To get into Kinect It would cost me $150... ouch, not great hopefully that would come with some software but we don't know yet. If it has software I'm good... otherwise it's another $30-$60 in cost... Ouch is right.
To get into move I'd go for the $99 bundle (no Eye-cam) and add on another $30 for the Don't call me Chuck.. I also have a wife who will want to play with me (and be honest the point of the motion stuff is to flail around with other people) so that's another $80 for a wand and Chuck. Or around $200 for 2 people to play and 1 game.
In super real world the Kinect is almost a better value... but the perceived value is on the Move side (ain't that a reversal of fortune)
I think that MS will price at closer to $130 so they can make the "Same price" argument.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:02PM Franklin Gothic said
@MystileArmor
it is oddly the reverse of how this generation started, isn't it? With the 360 being cheaper per-piece, but costing more or less the same as the PS3 if you got a spec equal system.
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it is oddly the reverse of how this generation started, isn't it? With the 360 being cheaper per-piece, but costing more or less the same as the PS3 if you got a spec equal system.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:28PM FredFredrickson said
@MystileArmor
Let's be honest here: Move is priced lower because it's comparatively less powerful technology. Not trying to be a jerk about it, that's just the truth.
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Let's be honest here: Move is priced lower because it's comparatively less powerful technology. Not trying to be a jerk about it, that's just the truth.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 4:53PM MystileArmor said
Oh absolutely, I agree that Move's technology more then likely would cost less to produce. But I'm fairly confident that a lower price point would convince more people to pick one up.
I think they did a good job on the new S consoles as far as price point, why not do something similar for Kinect? But who knows, maybe they'll bundle a $60,- worth title with it?
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I think they did a good job on the new S consoles as far as price point, why not do something similar for Kinect? But who knows, maybe they'll bundle a $60,- worth title with it?
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 5:16PM Raiki said
@MystileArmor
Well it's the software that makes the Kinect expensive more than the hardware, so a price drop some time in the future (when they've made their development costs back) is definitely possible. The same can be said about the Move too though, but not nearly to the same extent. I wouldn't be surprised if Kinect became $100 in a year after launch, whereas the Move might drop to a $60 wand/subcontroller bundle.
I think I'll start off with Move though, I'm not particularly interested in any of Kinect's launch games. Hopefully they'll get something awesome out later on. Fortunately, Move is just a $50 investment seeing as I don't mind using the Dual Shock as the wand.
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Well it's the software that makes the Kinect expensive more than the hardware, so a price drop some time in the future (when they've made their development costs back) is definitely possible. The same can be said about the Move too though, but not nearly to the same extent. I wouldn't be surprised if Kinect became $100 in a year after launch, whereas the Move might drop to a $60 wand/subcontroller bundle.
I think I'll start off with Move though, I'm not particularly interested in any of Kinect's launch games. Hopefully they'll get something awesome out later on. Fortunately, Move is just a $50 investment seeing as I don't mind using the Dual Shock as the wand.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:48PM ilduce620 said
I wonder if people would be more apt to go along with the $150 price tag if they could replace the hard drive in the 360 "short" with any ol' laptop drive, rather than the one's Microsoft will inevitably over-charge for. At least WiFi is included this time!
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:53PM Franklin Gothic said
Neither did I. Though, the animal game with the Tiger sounded cute... the classic girlfriend filler, maybe? My wife plays shooters, not casual games. So I don't have any reason to buy it.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:54PM Franklin Gothic said
Neither did I. Though, the animal game with the Tiger sounded cute... the classic girlfriend filler, maybe? My wife plays shooters, not casual games. So I don't have any reason to buy it.
p.s. that was weird... I replied to your comment and the JS system put my reply under a completely different comment. WTF?
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p.s. that was weird... I replied to your comment and the JS system put my reply under a completely different comment. WTF?
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:49PM TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2 said
I understand that this one thing will support multiple people, but unfortunately most people won't see it that way. The average consumer will look at move, see the $50 price tag and automatically label it cheaper. Which begs the question, who are they targeting with this? I don't think a casual gamer will choose this over the Wii, especially when you already need an Xbox to use it. But obviously there isn't much hardcore support, I would really love to see some more integration with existing games before I purchase, Fable III is a step in the right direction.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:59PM Franklin Gothic said
@TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2
they have the same problem with the KIN (their teen/social network focued cell phone) it's pricier than the device warrants and the device doesn't actually do the social network stuff that well.
so - too expensive for the casual audience but no hard core audience softwar
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they have the same problem with the KIN (their teen/social network focued cell phone) it's pricier than the device warrants and the device doesn't actually do the social network stuff that well.
so - too expensive for the casual audience but no hard core audience softwar
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:11PM TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2 said
@TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2
Winterfang, nope. PS Eye tracks the glowing ball using it's camera. That's how it gets the 1:1 accuracy.
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Winterfang, nope. PS Eye tracks the glowing ball using it's camera. That's how it gets the 1:1 accuracy.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 4:10PM The Tim said
@TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2
It seems to me that Sony and Microsoft are targeting different groups. Since the Wii has trounced both HD systems in sales, then it seems that Nintendo isn't their target due to the fact that any home interested in motion controls may already have a Wii.
Sony does seem to be targeting more of a core audience with motion controls, something Nintendo has tried to do but with mixed results, while Microsoft seems to be targeting the casual consumer who wants a different experience from the Wii. Granted the games may seem somewhat similar on the surface, but the control possibilities of Kinect do have some potential for unique experiences.
Its going to be interest to see how these different strategies play out. As for myself, I'm interested in Kinect, but I won't be an early adpoter, especially at $150. $100-$130 puts me on the fence, and if it's less than $100 (which i doubt) then it just boils down to when I'll have the spare cash.
I'll have to be sure Kinect won't join my Vision camera and my HD-DVD player in collecting dust...
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It seems to me that Sony and Microsoft are targeting different groups. Since the Wii has trounced both HD systems in sales, then it seems that Nintendo isn't their target due to the fact that any home interested in motion controls may already have a Wii.
Sony does seem to be targeting more of a core audience with motion controls, something Nintendo has tried to do but with mixed results, while Microsoft seems to be targeting the casual consumer who wants a different experience from the Wii. Granted the games may seem somewhat similar on the surface, but the control possibilities of Kinect do have some potential for unique experiences.
Its going to be interest to see how these different strategies play out. As for myself, I'm interested in Kinect, but I won't be an early adpoter, especially at $150. $100-$130 puts me on the fence, and if it's less than $100 (which i doubt) then it just boils down to when I'll have the spare cash.
I'll have to be sure Kinect won't join my Vision camera and my HD-DVD player in collecting dust...
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:50PM Mogwai 279 said
Amazon already has the games at 59.99. I can't really justify the purchase and have to pay another 60 for a game too.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:52PM CaramelZappa said
$150 is way too much. Especially since they haven't shown any software that's really worthwhile yet. Move is much more affordable and immediately has games I'm interested in playing. With such a high price and no stand out games in sight, I don't see how kinect has a chance.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:55PM TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2 said
@CaramelZappa
I wouldn't say "it doesn't have a chance" because it definitely does, and if Microsoft knows one thing, it's marketing. I think they put way too much into this to just let it go, we'll see though. Also, Move would be $150 for the PS Eye bundle, and an extra Move controller.
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I wouldn't say "it doesn't have a chance" because it definitely does, and if Microsoft knows one thing, it's marketing. I think they put way too much into this to just let it go, we'll see though. Also, Move would be $150 for the PS Eye bundle, and an extra Move controller.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:08PM CaramelZappa said
@CaramelZappa
Sorry, when I said doesn't have a chance, I meant doesn't have a chance to be in my living room. I realize that a lot of people bought their Wii's just to pay Wii sports and then let them sit around and collect dust, and with the right marketing Kinect could print money too.
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Sorry, when I said doesn't have a chance, I meant doesn't have a chance to be in my living room. I realize that a lot of people bought their Wii's just to pay Wii sports and then let them sit around and collect dust, and with the right marketing Kinect could print money too.
Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:53PM Dance Love Pop said
Well, PlayStation Move is going to cost me at least $210, and that's just to play with one other person. I'm not happy with the $150 price point, but I really want both Move and Kinect and I'm at least glad it's the cheaper of the two.
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