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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 11:48PM chrisredfield31 said

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in short, we'll copy Sony if it takes off.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:05AM EGOvoruhk said

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@chrisredfield31

More like "We're not going to waste money marketing something that 99% of our customers can't use"

There is nothing for them to "copy". The 360 can already do 3D. Developers, like Crytek, are making 3D 360 games, Microsoft just isn't marketing or pushing it, publicly at least
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:23AM Faenix said

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@chrisredfield31 so AKA, wait till Sony busts there ass to make cool 3D stuff. Then run in all half-baked and make it seem like it was there idea.

:P
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:07AM chrisredfield31 said

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@chrisredfield31 @egovorhuk: Sony was always about cutting edge technology and selling at high prices. When were they NOT? Buying Sony was always about expensive high quality equipment that most people couldn't afford. Look at the XBR series of TV's, you can't afford that. Does that mean nobody buys it? No. Does that mean they shouldn't release it? No.

@Faenix: exactly. They are taking a wait and see approach and if it works out well, they'll jump on it and try to take a piece of their marketshare. A lot of businesses do this so I don't understand why I was downvoted.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:27AM EGOvoruhk said

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@chrisredfield31

I never said anything about Sony not being cutting edge, and I really have no idea what your point is. Microsoft isn't holding back on releasing anything. The 360 is already 3D enabled. There is no wait and see approach going on here
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:40AM Foetoid said

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@chrisredfield31

I know when Sony wasn't cutting edge, when Nintendo did analog and rumble first, and Sony had to one-up them with dual-analog and built-in rumble. The original Ps1 controller was a Snes controller with 2 more shoulder buttons. Definitely cutting edge!
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 11:48PM MLC said

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This actually is no surprise.

They were late to the party for HDMI and built in Wifi. This will be no different.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 11:54PM PlatinumSkeet said

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@MLC

Well why should they? Last time the backed something (HD-DVD) it failed miserably. Really movie wise Xbox360 doesn't have a Blu-Ray player and Avatar is still the only movie worth watching in 3D (and it's not available for purchase in 3D). So whats the point?
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:07AM Funkmaster General said

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@MLC

The Wi-fi issue is different. Microsoft's stance on that, and also HDMI, was that it would drive the cost of the console up. They do not want to currently market 3D because its profitability when it comes to games is mostly unproven.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:02AM InfinitiProject said

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More like HD-DVD failed because movie studios didn't back it like Blu-Ray. Not to mention that Sony has a large share with most of the major movie studios also (and even own some).
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 6:39AM greyseal said

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@MLC

The difference is that people really wanted HDMI and Wi Fi.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 2:57PM ToTheMoon said

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@MLC

Microsoft said that people were NOT using HDMI when yet Sony released it with their console and then 6-8 months later, they changed their tune. Personally, that lack of foresight and market awareness is what would worry me the most. Like someone else said, just because YOU are not using the technology does not mean that others are not. I'm all about high end cutting edge stuff as well as aesthetics.

Sony wins hands down for the sleek factor by incorporating the PSU inside their console as well as having integrated Wifi and HD player. Also by breaking the mold and coming out with a new chip architecture instead of staying with the same old, same old, I have to give them kudos for taking a chance. Didn't seem to work out for them too well at the beginning but they have done extremely well since then.

I'm not 100% about this whole 3D thing but Sony is doing a bang up job of selling it to people - maybe once I play it, I'll be in but so far, I think the water is lukewarm.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 11:50PM Sly C said

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revolutionizing? not from what we've seen so far. the forza stuff was very cool, but not revolutionizing.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:07AM Extinction said

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"Last time the backed something (HD-DVD) it failed miserably"

Because they did a half-assed job backing it compared to Sony.

They are repeating that mistake.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 11:59PM (Unverified) said

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hehe gotta love that joke
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 11:59PM JCarpio said

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The picture illustrates why I don't want a current 3D set in my home.

I'll wait until the Nintendo way of 3D comes to TV sets.

In this case MS should wait. I mean HDTV adoption is still not high. 3D sets is going to be a smaller segment for a while.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:12AM SpeeGold said

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@EGOvoruhk

That technology is still a long way off from being perfect, let alone an affordable consumer product.
"A technician at the booth explained that the footage was all specifically shot to fit the format, and a special overlay was applied to the 3D HDTV in order to complete the magic. He confessed that the resolution was "sub-720p," and there were only eight specific places that you could stand at in order to actually get the full experience. "
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:30AM EGOvoruhk said

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@SpeeGold

It's never going to be perfect, not when dealing with layered displays. There will always be limited viewing angles, just like with the 3DS
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:27PM Chibi Chaingun said

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@JCarpio

In an age where you have Wii Fit boards, play-like guitars, drums, mics for Rock Band, Racing Wheels, fiddy different controllers to game systems, receivers, TVs etc (tho I am rocking a universal remote now!), I can deal with a some damn 3D glasses. That doesn't bother me one bit... it's that I and millions of other people already have 3D TV sets /projectors in the form of DLP and the PS3 WILL NOT work with them because they aren't HDMI 1.4 even though 3D technically works fine over a simple VGA cable at 1080p resolution.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:01AM DjiegoMoz said

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You don't start nothin, there gon' be nothin (?)
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:03AM Raffi256 said

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Yeah Microsoft has no interest in selling Sony's TVs, which is what this is all about anyway. Wait and see makes perfect sense.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 5:09PM BlackedOut said

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Agreed. Its like the whole HTML 5 thing. This is why MS would rather die than put a Blu-Ray player into their console, probably why they're pushing digital downloading so much.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 9:47AM Edge of Blade said

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Wi-fi does not "Drive" up the cost... it gives it a VERY mild bump. If the Wii and DS can pack Wi-Fi out of the box... it's about time Microsoft joined the party too.

However, the Wireless-N (both built in and as an adapter) is much appreciated. Kinda hard to get that upgrade on the built-in-from-day-one consoles...
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:13AM KazamaSogetsu said

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They're absolutely right. What's the point on generating content almost nobody will consume? Hell, most people still don't have a full HD screen at home yet, still on their 720p.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:13AM TheMainProtagonist said

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@KazamaSogetsu

A lot of people don't even have that. (720p)
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:21AM chrisredfield31 said

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@KazamaSogetsu You guys still don't get it do you? Technology almost always is for the rich first and everybody else later. It's always been that way and won't change until money itself is eradicated.

How long do you think it took to adopt HDTV? It's been 5 years since the launch of the 360. The HDTV itself did not come out on the consumer market until 1998. Seven years before the 360. These sets cost 7000US. It didn't have a lot of HD programming back then but for someone who can afford it, why not? We "lower" consumers may not make much sense of a purchase like that but to someone that can afford it, they'll get it because it's the newest and best available.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:14AM ArchiGamer said

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Investing in 3D tvs and gaming seems like a waste of time especially if the technology in the 3DS ever gets implemented in future tvs. If the tech can be perfected on a larger screen, which I think is possible, in about five years we might see 3D tvs without the need of glasses.

Trust me, the introduction of the 3DS will change things, hopefully for the better.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:21AM skiscaraudio said

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ya, right ...Microsoft ain't waitin
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:23AM benheck said

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3D is a waste on current consoles. Games that already barely run in 720p have to take an additional resolution hit to display both images.

The 3DS will be the only success story in this genre. No new TV, no glasses, you just buy it and it's 3D. It was far more impressive than any of the PS3 3D stuff I saw at E3.

I love not being a journalist - I can just say stuff sucks without having to qualify it or give the benefit of the doubt. On that note Kinect = lag.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:24AM Cheesus Crust said

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That picture creeps me out every time..
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:33AM golobulus said

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is dude setting up for the punt? head like a football.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:39AM R Planteer said

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I think 3D will be important next gen, but not this gen.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:47AM Padilla7921 said

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I think this is a smart move. Microsoft should focus on full implementation of 3D technology in the next-gen Xbox console. By then, 3D adoption rates will presumably be higher. Prices will be lower. Technology will be better. What they should do, too, is have Kinect track the gamer's (or gamers') head(s) and adjust the 3D effect accordingly. Kinect + 3D would be a match made in heaven, in my opinion.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:58AM Raffi256 said

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@Padilla7921

Yes, head tracking + 3D would be very immersive.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:49PM Chibi Chaingun said

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@Padilla7921

Yeah, 3D built-in with the next console with head tracking and also a Blu-Ray drive would be awesome because by then the PS3 will have made all of that standard, hehe!

I'm kidding, but as I was typing it I realized how accurate that statement could end up being! The EyeToy has head tracking capability and obviously 3D and Blu-Ray are already there or on the way. But none of that means SHIT until I get to drive a Warthog in 3D! :D I'll be in line for an Xbox3D0! ...wait... that's probably a terrible name... :|
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 12:55AM Ratfoot said

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In Soviet Russia game plays you!
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:01AM MLC said

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I see some of you guys are saying that you're gonna wait for 3D tech w/o the need of glasses. Now, I can understand cause nobody wants to wear the glasses but don't you think that method is gonna be any cheaper than w/ glasses? Cause it won't. If movie tickets are up to $5 more for 3D and TVs are about $300 to $500 w/ glasses. Its gonna be some expensive ass tech. The 3DS is an impressive piece of hardware if it does what Nintendo claims. Of course I have to see for myself. I bet when Nintendo announces the price for the 3DS, it'll be $200-$300. Just for a handheld. Can you even imagine how much a TV w/ the same tech will cost?

Time will tell....
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:27AM EGOvoruhk said

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@EGOvoruhk

Gotta love the commenting system...
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 6:49AM greyseal said

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@MLC

Nobody said anything about other technology being cheaper. But glasses technology stinks, period. It's annoying, gimmicky, and too many people come away with eyestrain.

Until technology exists for natural-feeling 3D without the need for separate eyewear, and until that technology is cost-effective, I have no plan to "upgrade" beyond 2D at all.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:26AM EGOvoruhk said

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@chrisredfield31

I never said anything about Sony not being cutting edge, and I really have no idea what your point is. Microsoft isn't holding back on releasing anything. The 360 is already 3D enabled. There is no wait and see approach going on here
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 3:29AM Aizei said

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correction;

cutting edge technology at rediculous prices, and you get a free sony badge on your tv :)
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 7:12AM Puertoricarious said

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@chrisredfield31

they get it perfectly. since high end tech is for "everybody else" later, and "everybody else" makes up most of their sales, they'll wait until "everybody else" can actually afford the technology before touting 3D as an ability of the console (which, by the way, it technically already is).

the only one here who doesn't seem to get good business strategy is you.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:33AM chrisredfield31 said

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the 360 is not 3D enabled. Currently if developers decide to do 3d, they choose the method and w/ that, will come custom glasses that may not work on another game which decided to go a different path. You'll get glasses with a different game while Sony's system only requires 1.

360 can do 3D but it's not an officially supported feature by Microsoft and is not a part of their dev kits. Because it's not standard, it's not 3d enabled. The Ps3 is because it's programmed into the firmware to support all 3d games.

About the Sony cutting edge thing, it's in reply to your comment about how 99% of customers not being able to experience the content that was created. Sony's cutting edge products always meant that most consumers never got to experience it because of the cost. It's nothing new. You can't comprehend that idea?
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 8:30AM Athesto said

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@chrisredfiekd31

dude i got to say that those people might be right, i own a ps3 and i'm not that exited about 3d or buying a fancy 3D HDTV just for playing a few games

now for the 3D glasses i don't have a problem with the, i wear glasses every day. my point is that i know those glasses are ugly( i took one pair when i went to see avatar) every body just need to get used to them

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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 8:42AM RichardLawler said

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3D Games on the 360 work with the exact same TVs and glasses games on the PS3 do. Avatar in fact, on both systems, work with more 3D setups than the other PS3 3D games. I have absolutely no idea why you would say what you posted.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:41AM Smokeydogg7 said

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people are whining about paying 150 for kinect you really think their gonna pay 3000 for a 3dtv LMAO
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 3:16AM JonahFalcon said

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So, Microsoft is Russia, Yakov Smirnoff?
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 6:46AM greyseal said

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The focus on 3D will put Sony at a disadvantage until it gains widespread acceptance, which is probably never (in its current incarnation).

Forgetting glasses and expensive sets, the problem with 3D for a video game console is that everything needs to be rendered twice. Now that Sony has saddled the PS3 with a feature that next-to-nobody asked for, any 3D-enabled game will need to be designed so that it could be double-rendered if the user desired. The PS3 wasn't designed for this, and 3D-enabled games are going to graphically simplified in order to run properly.

Sony shot themselves in the foot.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 7:05AM logicbus said

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Until TVs can do 3D without viewers wearing glasses, so that everyone in a reasonable viewing area can appreciate the effect, the technology will never take off.

Over the last five to ten years, many consumers have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars upgrading from SD sets to HD sets. Many of those consumers don't want to spend any more money buying TVs anytime soon.

Gimmick, fad, or destined to fail, 3D TV is hardly a sure thing and Microsoft knows it.
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