NPD on the Red Dead, Alan Wake, and Split/Second retail showdown
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Take-Two Interactive CEO Ben Feder recently mentioned that Red Dead Redemption "sucked the oxygen out of the room" at retail upon its release -- wow, he wasn't kidding. Data provided to Joystiq by the NPD group shows that high-profile releases Alan Wake and Split/Second sold 145K and 86K units in the US during May, respectively. In comparison, Red Dead Redemption sold 1.51 million copies. All three games launched on the same day in the States.
NPD analyst Anita Frazier explains, "What I found interesting about Red Dead is that it is the second game in the franchise. First game got middling review scores and sold good but not great -- 920K life-to-date. I applaud it when a publisher can take a franchise with solid results and improve on it significantly next time out the gate."
Perhaps when (if?) Alan Wake and Split/Second receive sequels, they'll have better sales luck (and no oxygen-sucking beasts around).
NPD analyst Anita Frazier explains, "What I found interesting about Red Dead is that it is the second game in the franchise. First game got middling review scores and sold good but not great -- 920K life-to-date. I applaud it when a publisher can take a franchise with solid results and improve on it significantly next time out the gate."
Perhaps when (if?) Alan Wake and Split/Second receive sequels, they'll have better sales luck (and no oxygen-sucking beasts around).
Reader Comments (40)
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:47PM The angry pro consumer gaming ga said
@SlyDog So the troll brings up the fact that UC2 was on one system and RDR on two. Both are amazing games and it would be a travesty for anyone that considers themselves a gamer to miss either game.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:55PM SlyDog said
@The angry pro consumer gaming ga All I was saying is that although Uncharted 2 was a better critically received game, it still gets easily passed in sales if there is an also excellent (although slightly inferior) multi-platform game. I had temporarily forgotten the fact that RDR released on PS3 as well as 360 (I know, stupid of me)
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:52PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
@SlyDog
Kind of splitting hairs by saying Uncharted 2 or RDR is better/inferior than one another. Both are extremely highly rated games. RDR got a metacritic average of 95 and UC2 of 96. R* caught lightning in a bottle with RDR and the game deserves all the sales it gets. In my opinion, it's up there with God of WAr 3 for PS3 goty (I say PS3 because I don't have 360 so can't judge the excellent looking games it's had this year like alan wake, mass effect, metro 2033, splinter cell).
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Kind of splitting hairs by saying Uncharted 2 or RDR is better/inferior than one another. Both are extremely highly rated games. RDR got a metacritic average of 95 and UC2 of 96. R* caught lightning in a bottle with RDR and the game deserves all the sales it gets. In my opinion, it's up there with God of WAr 3 for PS3 goty (I say PS3 because I don't have 360 so can't judge the excellent looking games it's had this year like alan wake, mass effect, metro 2033, splinter cell).
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:10PM SlyDog said
@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell Again, I take back what I said, as I am more than a little biased. I am exclusively a PS3 owner, and it is clearly a matter of opinion between the two games as they were both rated so highly. However, Uncharted 2 was an easy pick for GOTY. Can RDR be considered as the only plausible choice for that award this year?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:59PM spacemonkey086 said
@The angry pro consumer gaming ga
how is trolling saying "great job rockstar"????
counter troll is trolling supposed troll who is not a troll
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how is trolling saying "great job rockstar"????
counter troll is trolling supposed troll who is not a troll
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 9:05PM Iroquois said
@SlyDog I don't think the GOTY pick was so cut and dry as to say UC2 was "an easy pick". There were quite a few games that could have taken it just as easily. Batman Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed II, Left 4 Dead 2, Modern Warfare 2 (though I'm glad that one didn;t win), Street Fighter IV, Borderlands, Killzone 2, Resident Evil 5 There were many. It's extremely and rediculously close-minded of you to say "Uncharted 2 was an easy pick for game of the year." Yes, it was SPIKE's GOTY. That doesn't represent the rest of the gaming community. Some other reviewers picked other games as their GOTY.
There will never in the history of the world be an "only plausible choice" for a GOTY. Mass Effect 2 was also an excellent title that could take the GOTY title as easily as RDR. Halo Reach and Black Ops will be out in a few months and I can almost assure you that they will be highly rated candidates. BioShock 2 might be worthy of a nomination but I doubt it will win. Splinter Cell. Blur. Split/Second. Alan Wake. Bad Company 2. God of War 3. Final Fantasy XIII.
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There will never in the history of the world be an "only plausible choice" for a GOTY. Mass Effect 2 was also an excellent title that could take the GOTY title as easily as RDR. Halo Reach and Black Ops will be out in a few months and I can almost assure you that they will be highly rated candidates. BioShock 2 might be worthy of a nomination but I doubt it will win. Splinter Cell. Blur. Split/Second. Alan Wake. Bad Company 2. God of War 3. Final Fantasy XIII.
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:44PM Jimjamyaha said
In the words of Ancient Taoist masters, Don't start none... Won't be none.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:44PM The angry pro consumer gaming ga said
Good to hear about Alan Wake, the game is not worth $60. $40 is the most this game should have cost, and although its good its not great. RDR is definitely better than Alan by a mile, though I did wish Split Second had done better.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:52PM BlackedOut said
Yeah I just streamed the Bright Falls prequel to Alan Wake on Zune whilst I ate my dinner. I want to play it but I'm not prepared to spend that much on it.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:08PM The angry pro consumer gaming ga said
@BlackedOut The game isn't bad again I think its good, just not great like how "Chris" keeps spouting about. The 4th and 5th episodes are when the game really shines and the 1st gets you started, but 2&3 are repetitive to 1 and 6 is slightly better than the first 3episodes.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:50PM TaintedKane said
@The angry pro consumer gaming ga
I don't know what you two are talking about? I ditched Red Dead after a week of it. I got so bored of the game and picked up Alan Wake and beat it about 3 times. Its so good definitely worth full price.
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I don't know what you two are talking about? I ditched Red Dead after a week of it. I got so bored of the game and picked up Alan Wake and beat it about 3 times. Its so good definitely worth full price.
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:47PM Ballistic H said
A lot of PC gamers were expecting a PC version of Alan Wake.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:24PM Special Agent Steve said
@Ballistic H
Yeah, I was really hoping for one. I just bought it two days ago, still haven't opened it. Waiting to finish GTA4 (on PC :D 5$ on Steam=instabuy)
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Yeah, I was really hoping for one. I just bought it two days ago, still haven't opened it. Waiting to finish GTA4 (on PC :D 5$ on Steam=instabuy)
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:51PM Kleptomaniac said
I think red dead will suffer the same fate as GTA 4, it launchs and sell incredibly well and gets great reception. But then slowly people will start showing up claiming it to be vastly overated and not worthy of the praise.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:04PM ObiAlKenobi said
@SlyDog
In everyone possible. Having played GTA4, I can say that while the games is great and is very fun, is no that great that every single site and review said.
Many reviews gave it 10's or 11's, claiming that this games is the start of a new era in human history or something, but actually, I see GTA4 as a step-back from previous installments, specially Vice City and San Andreas, as the gameplay elements were stripped down, leaving just some kind of "semi-GTA3" with better graphics.
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In everyone possible. Having played GTA4, I can say that while the games is great and is very fun, is no that great that every single site and review said.
Many reviews gave it 10's or 11's, claiming that this games is the start of a new era in human history or something, but actually, I see GTA4 as a step-back from previous installments, specially Vice City and San Andreas, as the gameplay elements were stripped down, leaving just some kind of "semi-GTA3" with better graphics.
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:06PM laser beams said
@Kleptomaniac
that happens with every game. the people who already love the game are the ones who buy it right off the bat (or at least within the first month) and as word gets out- and marketing ramps up, other people who were on the fence, or have heard about it for the first time- may not know what to expect other than 'OMG- GREATEST GAEM EVAR!!!"
and when they realize that there are many small (even insignificant) flaws in the game, it's easy to understand how the cynicism would build.
i don't think either game is all that amazing really. they are very solid games, though, and extremely ambitious in their design, and really good in overall presentation. but if you aren't a fan of the Rockstar formula- there are definitely better games out there. like many open-world games, RDR is a very interesting Jack of all trades (and absolutely worth playing) but is a master of none...
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that happens with every game. the people who already love the game are the ones who buy it right off the bat (or at least within the first month) and as word gets out- and marketing ramps up, other people who were on the fence, or have heard about it for the first time- may not know what to expect other than 'OMG- GREATEST GAEM EVAR!!!"
and when they realize that there are many small (even insignificant) flaws in the game, it's easy to understand how the cynicism would build.
i don't think either game is all that amazing really. they are very solid games, though, and extremely ambitious in their design, and really good in overall presentation. but if you aren't a fan of the Rockstar formula- there are definitely better games out there. like many open-world games, RDR is a very interesting Jack of all trades (and absolutely worth playing) but is a master of none...
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:57PM RonnocoMail said
@Kleptomaniac A lot of people already are. Then again, I didn't think the game was anything special in the first place -- but perhaps part of that was because I knew about what happened with Grand Theft Auto.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:24PM Dr Perry Ulysses Cox said
@RonnocoMail
You knew about what happened with Grand Theft Auto? What does that even mean? Are you saying that you knew that all of the half-wit fantards would piss their pants about it for two months straight and then find out that urine-soaked pants + obsessive video game addiction does not in fact = being a real-life gangsta and would then take their rage out on the object of their worship?
God, gamers, when taken as a whole, are the most fickle group of emotionally-stunted and moronically capricious consumer groups in the history of this or any world. Why does anyone even cater to this idiot demographic?
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You knew about what happened with Grand Theft Auto? What does that even mean? Are you saying that you knew that all of the half-wit fantards would piss their pants about it for two months straight and then find out that urine-soaked pants + obsessive video game addiction does not in fact = being a real-life gangsta and would then take their rage out on the object of their worship?
God, gamers, when taken as a whole, are the most fickle group of emotionally-stunted and moronically capricious consumer groups in the history of this or any world. Why does anyone even cater to this idiot demographic?
Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 1:57AM RonnocoMail said
@Dr Perry Ulysses Cox Hah! Well, sort of. What I mean is that I remember what happened with GTA and that put my opinion of RDR into a perhaps more objective position. There were a lot of people out there going "THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER!" But when I played it, I was just like "This game is pretty good. Nothing special, but still pretty good."
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:04PM leobebes said
Rockstar should thank their marketing team for giving this stellar title the sparkle it deserved. The promos they showed for the game were done exactly how all video game promos should be done, and no spoilers were given in the process. There was at least 2 hours of footage combined being released every week it seemed running up to the game, with a pretty good narrator. Rockstar did a fine job of marketing this game and that department should be commended admirably.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:55PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
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It felt kind of like a short history channel segment on the old west. Very well done indeed. By the way, log out and then log back in to your account to be verified.
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It felt kind of like a short history channel segment on the old west. Very well done indeed. By the way, log out and then log back in to your account to be verified.
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:18PM ubercharged said
I think Alan Wake will continue to sell, I didn't get around to buying it until a few days ago. And all the high profile games coming out now could definitely see a good sales spike over the holiday if they release some sort of special edition in November that includes all the DLC.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:45PM (Unverified) said
I for one am really disappointed in news about Alan Wake. I think that game is amazing. Easily on par with the likes of Max Payne and Max Payne 2 in a different, less shootery way. It was overshadowed by other "bigger" releases, but even that shouldn't explain/excuse the numbers.
It's so disheartening to see new and different games flopping or at least not selling very well, while your standard-ass generic FPS will sell in the millions easy. I just hope that the small team that worked on Alan Wake wil offset the ridiculous tme they spent in production, or that it can sell better over time. Maybe the DLC will help with that, but I doubt it.
Speaking of DLC, I can't wait for the first download chapter.
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It's so disheartening to see new and different games flopping or at least not selling very well, while your standard-ass generic FPS will sell in the millions easy. I just hope that the small team that worked on Alan Wake wil offset the ridiculous tme they spent in production, or that it can sell better over time. Maybe the DLC will help with that, but I doubt it.
Speaking of DLC, I can't wait for the first download chapter.
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:02PM The Tim said
@(Unverified)
I totally agree. I loved the game, bought it Day One and played thru it. My buddy bought Red Dead and finished it so we traded and I've totally lost interest in finishing it. I'm ready to get my Alan Wake back and play thru again on Nightmare
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I totally agree. I loved the game, bought it Day One and played thru it. My buddy bought Red Dead and finished it so we traded and I've totally lost interest in finishing it. I'm ready to get my Alan Wake back and play thru again on Nightmare
Posted: Jul 5th 2010 4:01PM robotoid said
@(Unverified)
I agree. I think Alan Wake is SO good and it breaks my heart to think that it may not sell anymore and the franchise will be lost, and then the next COD sells millions instantly and so they keep them coming.
How can someone spend so many years developing a game and making it better over and over again to put it out there on the worst date of the year so far :(
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I agree. I think Alan Wake is SO good and it breaks my heart to think that it may not sell anymore and the franchise will be lost, and then the next COD sells millions instantly and so they keep them coming.
How can someone spend so many years developing a game and making it better over and over again to put it out there on the worst date of the year so far :(
Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 9:24PM MatthewMk2 said
@Mr Khan How was Red Dead game changing? Its GTA4 with horses.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 10:38PM packy17 said
@MatthewMk2
There hasn't ever been a really good Western title before. And while Red Dead uses the same basic GTA engine, I personally played through it much differently than I would a GTA title. I felt more attached to Marston and felt like a "good guy" rather than a criminal, and thus made good choices throughout the entirety. Maybe when I hit 100% and get that Bureau outfit I'll switch gears to wrack havoc, but it's not what made that game fun for me.
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There hasn't ever been a really good Western title before. And while Red Dead uses the same basic GTA engine, I personally played through it much differently than I would a GTA title. I felt more attached to Marston and felt like a "good guy" rather than a criminal, and thus made good choices throughout the entirety. Maybe when I hit 100% and get that Bureau outfit I'll switch gears to wrack havoc, but it's not what made that game fun for me.
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