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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:05AM s ls said

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if you asked me about Home I'd tell you it's where people go to bury their souls
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:19AM golobulus said

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@s ls here's the punchline right here: nobody asked you.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:28AM Akunin said

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@golobulus Happy now? I asked.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:26AM Akunin said

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Hey s Is... whats "Home"?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:30AM Ashkental said

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@Muhammad Oli

Hey, how's 2006 doing? Is it cold there? I can't remember, it's been like... 4 years and here in the future is crazy! We now have PSN+, Trophies and the PS3 costs 299! Yeah! Exactly the same as the Xbox!

You wish you lived here, eh?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:39AM DarkTwisted said

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This post sounds a bit harsh... It seems like an attack in a way...

Of course those spaces get visits, of course new people join up all the time... it's a free service very obviously included on the menu when so many thousands/millions of Americans buy PS3s... believe it or not, but not everyone who buys a PS3 is a hardcore gamer. People buy them as gifts etc. etc., and people check it out, and some people like it. If you walked around the local hub in PS Home I guarantee you'll find at least a few new people. Hell the amount of times I add a good person on there and they have no trophies or haven even got an avatar yet and they say of how they just got a PS3 recently, it happens to me all the time.

Yes Sony should release some figures, and yeah I know this post wasn't directly attacking home, but it seemed implied that way from the writer who is a hardcore gamer. Especially at the last paragraph... jeez have you seen how many games that come out today have some sort of an influence of home? From costumes to fully decked out spaces... ugh.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:50AM TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2 said

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@DarkTwisted

This is exactly what I was gonna say, albeit worded differently. I personally love Home for just hanging out with friends when I don't have the chance in real life. It's actually a lot of fun if you have people to go in Home with. Boring alone, though.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 2:23AM PreGHz said

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@DarkTwisted

I completely agree. The last paragraph really felt like an attack.

The point is, even if they're making a dollar above cost, they're still in the green. And that's saying more than a lot of businesses out there.

A success is a success is a success. Be happy for them, even if you don't know the exact details. If they were bleeding money, then you might have something to complain about. But they seem very happy with hat they've got. Why can't you be happy for them, mom?

Wow, I think it's time I called my therapist.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 3:01AM Wiizer said

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@DarkTwisted

I love Home for the fact that it keeps me from being bombarded by ads in the XMB!

Have you seen how aggressive XBL is with its ads? I hope PSN never reaches that level of insanity, especially for (XBL) being a paid service!
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 4:45AM BlackedOut said

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Wiizer, coming from a live user, the only ads I run into on my Xbox are the ones in Last.fm and that occasional one that pops up on the dashboard.
Insane right?
I think you are misinformed.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:42AM Xoonaka said

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@Wiizer

Aside from the spaces themselves being advertising for the game it's representing, Ads in Home are not really the "focus" anymore like they were being touted to be. I think Users responded poorly to them, and they've stopped designing their core areas to revolve around billboards and such.

I think what's surprised Sony and a lot of the Home Dev team is just how willing a portion of the population has been to buy meaningless items like shirts and such. Even Capcom has been getting away with charging ridiculous amounts for SF4 characters... I'm ashamed to admit even though I rarely go in there, I've even dropped around 20-30 on items (the $5 minimum to add funds being a large culprit there...).

So yeah, anyway, I don't think it's holding the Ads out of XMB. Just look at the no longer optional "info box" up top. And the "What's New" default selection on boot up (that one is optional, but still...).

I do still agree there's less in your face advertising then you see on an Xbox though.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:46AM Rocketboy said

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@Wiizer
No kidding.. I mean, with all of the red-bull branded spaces, lame game advertising spaces, and billboards that just start blasting things when I walk near them...

Oh wait, that's Home.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:52AM Vcize said

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@Wiizer

What are people talking about when they talk about these ads? Are they talking about the things that say "new DLC available for xxxxx, get it here!", or "xxxxx demo released"? Because that kind of stuff is a GOOD thing, as a lot of the stuff many gamers wouldn't even know existed without it.

Or are you people talking about actual advertisements for non-gaming related products? Because while I'm sure they're in there somewhere, I'm on my xbox 10 hours a week and I've never even noticed them. I honestly couldn't even give you an example of one off the top of my head. The idea that this is "aggressive" marketing is absurd. Are you people taping magazine ads for Mountain Dew to your tv and mixing them up as part of XBL?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 9:13AM Xoonaka said

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@Vcize

To be fair, once you're "in game" you're obviously not getting ads anymore. Also if you use the "shortcut" navigation method you won't get see them much either. Then, on top of that, our culture is becoming highly unconscious to the ads around them, tending to blur them out and ignore them. I doubt you know what ads were on Joystiq today so far.

They're still there, trying to get me to buy Doritos or a Scion or something. Maybe "aggressive" is a poor choice of word, but I'd say it's fair to consider Xbox the "leader" in advertising, were this a competition.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 9:35AM McDuckScrooged said

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@DarkTwisted

I log in occasionally, just to play some pool.. There is so much free stuff in there as well.. Audi gave me a free audi apartment.. In fact that whole audi complex looks amazing the floor the reflection, the views.. Thats the thing with the service any brand can open a space and advertise their goods and include mini games.. I really like the audi space just for the look of it.

Did any other platform provide you with a virtual look into their E3 setup ? You could literally walk around an exact clone of Sony's E3 Booth directly from Home.. If anything you have to respect that as a nice idea if nothing else..

David , do me a favour log into home for half an hour and just walk around do this for a few days.. See how many times you see the same people.. Grab another of the joystiq staff and play a game of pool with them a couple of times, see if you view changes of it..

Every time you log in your put into a different virtual home space and no matter what time I have logged in its always been incredibly busy..
This should give you an indication of how busy it is...

What would have made home perfect would have been voice chat.. When they launched it it had voice chat, they removed it for 2 reasons first was obviously bandwidth, the 2nd was idiots running around swearing..

I still think they need to re-enable voice, with voice enabled you can play pool talking to random people and instantly know if its a male or female for example or hold a decent conversation..

The initial no better than flash games were disappointing, but games like sodium 1 have shown 1 thing which is really important, opengl or 3d acceleration directly from within home .. How long before the add stuff like an environment where you can run / jump freestyle

The service is actually very interesting, I am glad we have it on the console..
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 2:52PM philmcfail said

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@Vcize

Are you kidding me? Of course XBL is obliterated with ads. You're probably too used it to notice it like me. Haven't you seen the commercial for Hotpockets? It actually pretty cool to see that MS can utilize XBL to stream full motion videos on the dash even though it used for something as lame as advertising Hotpockets.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 3:26PM Juri said

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@Wiizer Least it's not in the top right hand corner all the time, hell you don't even have to scroll through ads to play your game.

On My Xbox there are no ads, only ads you get are when you look at the Video Marketplace, or Xbox News or Music one.

What are you expecting to see? Nothing?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:41AM haas599 said

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I enjoy home every once in a while. I'll usually check out the theater and 1 or 2 new spaces. I am always amazed at just how many people are on the service at any given time I log in.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:29AM Spookimitsu said

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@haas599
I like home too, i just wish I could figure out how to chat locally.... if thats possible. (not facetious...) Is it possible?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:46AM Xoonaka said

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I love the newer spaces. More and more spaces are coming with built in games, so it's almost like a giant arcade. Tower Defense for the Assassin's Creed space was pretty fun (although a bit confusing at first and it needs a better camera...).

I don't know, it's like the whole damn entirety of Home is like playing a modern Point and Click adventure with no story. Wander around cool looking areas, looking for places to click, play little mini-games to grab items... It's a Point and Click Open World MMO!!!

...well.. "open world" as in you can go wherever you want whenever you want... not like a sprawling city or anything...
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:43AM KobaltKode said

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Not that it matters what I think to anyone here, but I think home is a giant letdown...Especially, given it's potential to be something awesome. The character customization is the worst part of it...Realism was a cool choice, but there is practically no facial animation. This makes your avatar seem soulless and practically unrelatable. The point of an Avatar is that it represents you and you should connect with it on some basic level. I would've also liked to see more of a world to explore in general. having your own little spot where no one goes is always a cool feeling! Housing should also give you a better change to showcase your taste in games, maybe the number of trophies you've acquired could effect something. Feels like nothing more than a lack luster chat interface to me...Lastly, the games...Having a limit to the number of people who can play a game is silly! I never got a chance to play any of them, spent most of my time waiting in lines to play them. Come on Sony!

Then again it is free and you get what you pay for. Hopefully with Plus coming into this, they will be forced to raise the bar a bit!
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:58AM WiredKnight said

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I'm with you.

People who are excited about Home never read Snowcrash.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:52AM Xoonaka said

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It sounds like you haven't been to Home in a while... most if not all of the newer games have no limit on how many can play, and there's so many awesome areas to explore now. There's also a ton of items now, so everyone is looking far less "realistic"... lots of crazy costumes out there. I saw a Bulldog running around the other day... still not a lot of facial animation, sure, but there's enough options to where you feel unique and everyone around you seems to have their own "feel" or "personality" to them.

The personal spaces though... yeah... they need some help. They did add Picture Frames though, so you can put pictures of whatever you want up in your space. I also just unlocked a TV... I haven't tried it yet, and I kind of doubt it works like the one Harrison showed way back when.... but I'm slightly hopeful I can have my own Videos....

Anyway, there's a lot to like in the current version of Home. Downloads are a bit snappier, too, although you'll still wish they were better. And I get randomly disconnected sometimes... that could just be my internet though, that happens to me on most games.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:49AM AC3BraZzy said

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Yea I never thought Home was fun until I recently got on it and for some reason it was
Enjoyable this time.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:32AM MrAlex said

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Yeah sodium 1 and Xi (although that's over now) really made Home worthwhile, and the arcade space is great with friends.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:50AM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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Good for them.

Despite how people whine and complain about HOME, it's still making them money, however much it may be.

I visit every so often, it's always packed with people, and I have fun wandering around looking at stuff.

Mission accomplished.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:56AM Vcize said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Meh, I believe their measure of income for home is mostly in virtual items, in which case everyone complains endlessley about avatars on the 360 and I'm sure those were a LOT cheaper to create than Home, and probably bring in a lot more money in virtual item sales than Home does as well.

I guess from a business standpoint, you can't complain too much about something that's turning you a profit. It certainly didn't end up being the big system seller they were hoping for though.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:57AM Vcize said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

I guess one good measure for that last point is that even amongst the thousands of fanboy console flame wars on here, no one ever even brings up Home in passing when listing off the reasons why the PS3 is king of all things.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 9:46AM McDuckScrooged said

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@Vcize, If you used the service you would realise just how busy it is.. You judge it without using it and yet think your right about it..

You go on and on about how you feel like your playing on your own on the ps3 .. If you actually logged into home, you would see its full of people .. Go in and play some sodium 1 , then come back to me about it being crap..

Its another feature that makes the PSN great...
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 10:12AM Vcize said

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@McDuckScrooged

Then how come no one EVER brings it up when they're arguing PSN vs. XBL?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 10:48AM Xoonaka said

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@Vcize

No one ever brings up Avatars either... or that you can buy your own clothes for them... or watch Movies MST3000 style with them...

Are they a failure, too?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 11:04AM McDuckScrooged said

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@vcize for some reason my comments dont post anymore.. This comment system is just insane
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 11:20AM McDuckScrooged said

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@vcize

In your opinion a services greatness is dependant on fanboy wars rather than actual usage ? Is that how you gauge success ?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 11:22AM McDuckScrooged said

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@vcize, maybe I can post it in stages..

Did you know you can call friends from within home and hold a conversation with them ? So you can have a private chat while playing a game of pool, did you know you can launch any game from within home and your friends in home can join ? Or that you can start a game launch and get anyone around you to join in if they have the game once you exit the game you get automatically dropped back into home..

Its party chat but from within a 3d environment, but you don't use it so you don't know about its many features..
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 11:43AM McDuckScrooged said

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@Vcize,

I have heard you moaning about how you feel your so alone on the ps3 and feel so disconnected.. Have you ever even bothered inviting your friends into home to play a game of pool with them ? From within home you can launch a game of whatever you like they can all join the game you set up and once you get bored you will be put back into home where you can carry on your private conversations and play another game of pool.. Hey all of a sudden the PSN is a lot more lively and makes you way more connected, but you dont see this ability from it..

Also I and others have mentioned Home in numerous PSN vs XBL arguments.. We usually get down voted and shouted down by people like yourself who have never actually used the service or have any idea of the services many features.. So what's the point of pointing out all of the stuff Home does to people not even willing to listen ?

I can almost guarantee that if Home was an XBL thing, 360 fanboys would be shouting about its greatness and how its so social and how dull the ps3 is because it doesn't have it and how they can hang out with their friends and have an awesome time playing pool blah blah blah..
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:55AM I am a machineee said

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Kind of annoyed the Uncharted 2 space has been partially blocked off so 2 items and 1 game are now completely out of reach.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 1:57AM WiredKnight said

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I'm in the "Meh" category. I logged on once or twice but I never really got into it. I really wanted to, but it's disappointing to me after the kinds of things I had expected from it. It has such huuuuuuuge potential as a metaverse-type virtual space, but turns out it's not much more than a marketing tool.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 2:11AM Muhammad Oli said

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@Ashkental Sorry bro I live in New Zealand where the PS3 still costs $600 (US $415) and I'm sorry but if you think that's affordable to everybody, then you've got another thing coming. Also, PSN+ is just people being fooled into paying Sony for things that they wouldn't have bought if PSN+ hadn't existed. I have a PS3 but I certainly don't think the pricepoint is good, and I certainly won't encourage Sony by paying for PSN+.

Anyway, that wasn't my point. My point is, why would anybody go on Home if they had games to play? I don't know anybody who does.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 2:48AM Wiizer said

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@Muhammad Oli

Why do people want cross game chat so badly? Guess they want to socialize.

This is the same concept behind Home.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 3:03AM soypancho said

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I'm a very happy Ps3 owner but I thought that thing sucked.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:32AM MrAlex said

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When did you last use it?
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 3:19AM kurisub said

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I only use home to watch virtual stupidity in action. The other day we ran into a "gang"…patrolling their virtual turf, complete with matching outfits! Big drama was afoot when it came to the question of who was the leader!
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 6:34AM MrAlex said

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Yeah there's a lot of streange people in home who are probably the 'have a second marriage to some stranger on Second life because their avatar is hot types.'
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 4:38AM Esposch said

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@Muhammad Oli
Hi there!
I live down under too (In Australia) and I would just like to say please stop your bitching about the prices here!

Yes, PS3's RRP is AU$500/NZ$600, but you're forgetting that US prices exclude tax and that no-one actually sells things at RRP here.
I personally bought mine (admittedly 2nd hand) 6 months ago for $325 with LittleBigPlanet. Even at Launch Dick Smith were giving away free copies of Batman, which EB would give $60 trade in for at the time.

Hell, if I went to the shops and got one right now, I would come back with a PS3, a game, HDMI cables and a PlayTV for my $500.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 5:25AM DustbinK said

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The thing with Home is that it doesn't do well with us commenters on videogame sites. We're "core" gamers and this appeals to non-core gamers. I've heard stories of people mentioning their friend, their sister, their gf, basically anyone who is into very social-centric thing, liking Home a lot while the other people who use the PS3 ignore it.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 5:31AM DarkTwisted said

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@Muhammad Oli

Hi, also from New Zealand!

Home is profitable, but how can it be profitable when people spent all their money on games you say? Well maybe they do spend money on Home and you are just wrong. And why do people go on Home when they can play games? Maybe you're just anti-social..? I kinda like meeting new people from around the world and discussing games with them and getting together to play some games together (or at least try on NZ internet)... and yes the PS3 is pricey, but it's not completely unaffordable. If you can't buy games for a PS3, well that's just too bad... I mean, a 360 over here with three games is about the same price as a PS3, but that's not including your Gold Live subscription bla bla bla, I'm not going to get into all of that but you get my point... you're just being completely illogical.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:03AM maxxgold said

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Home sucks. Just goes to show you how in the dark Sony is. I don't have one friend who likes home.Yet they keep acting like home is some kind of success.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:24AM SuzanoSho the drug dealer PSN Sm said

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So Sony's crazy somehow just because your friends suck?...never thought of it like that...

Everytime I log into home, it's crowded...I'd say that's a success to me...not only that, but I'm probably the only person on there that isn't decked out in paid digital clothing...

With as many different things to do in Home, anyone who CAN'T find entertainment on there are either not trying or just plain boring themselves...
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 7:33AM Nook said

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I deleted Home and took back those gigglebytes.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2010 8:25AM Amnesiasoft said

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So, let me get this straight. Mature items are profitable, and because they're profitable, they're mature? Of course mature items are profitable when you define "Mature" as "profitable."
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