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Posted: Jul 13th 2010 11:14PM Deschain said

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This really grinds my gears. I mean not that it effects me in the purchasing sense, but I hate double standards and this is clearly one on at least two different levels. First as the post stated the ESRB and MPAA should have equal rights when it comes to their ratings. And that is just the start. Who is to deiced when "excessively violent" begins and ends? Not only is this plain stupid, it's again a double standard. Good luck explaining to little Timmy why it's fine to stab a man in the chest but not cut him in half with a chainsaw. Either way the man dies so it's irrelevant.

Posted: Jul 13th 2010 11:29PM Themoreyouknow said

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@Deschain
Not to mention the Governator has been in several violent movies himself. That makes it all the worse. He's allowed to kill people and curse, but video games aren't.

I swear, all politicians are full of it.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:12AM tenacioustoaster said

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@Themoreyouknow The irony is I can think of numerous videogames in which his likeness is killing people. It's not just movies!
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Posted: Jul 13th 2010 11:28PM Themoreyouknow said

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I think it all boils down to the parents' responsibilities. Yeah I got Halo 2 around age 15/16, and learned a lot of new words on Xbox Live. I played Perfect Dark 64 in the 8th grade and heard cursing. I've been playing Doom on PC since about 5 or 6. But I was able to tell the difference between a video game and real life.

If I ever have kids, I'm going to be scared to death to let them play Doom at age 5. It might give them nightmares. And I will think twice before buying them any video game or movie before I check it out firsthand. I know what is out there. It is the parents' responsibility to filter what is appropriate for their children.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:09AM GuardianLegend said

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@Themoreyouknow

I think another issue to consider is that if a parent lets their child play a violent video game, and that does result in the child becoming a murderous psycho kid who ends up killing YOUR child, what happens then? Do you file criminal charges against the parent? I don't think that would be fair.

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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 4:28AM Misanthrope said

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@GuardianLegend
If a kid is driven to kill, it's not solely because of a videogame, and that child has pretty deeply seeded psychological problems, which may or may not have been caused by the parent, though either abuse or negligence. Even if the child's mental problems were wholly spontaneous, the guardians are ultimately responsible for the actions of their ward, and are expected to restrict, medicate or recuperate a child with mental deficiencies.

So yes, even if a child kills, it's still the parents' fault for either driving him to kill or not preventing him from doing so.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2010 11:31PM BananaBoat said

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I'm thinking royalties on some classic 80's and 90's titles have a little to do with why he doesn't care if children are allowed to buy his movies.

Now that this is in the hands of the Supreme Court, I can't even bring myself to argue about it any more. Either they see the light and realize that free speech is more important than knee-jerk "won't somebody please think of the children!" legislation, or the video game industry changes forever. It's that simple.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:32AM N3vDawg said

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@BananaBoat I actually have faith in the supreme court. Unlike most poloticians, the supreme court takes the first amendment to a very literal extent.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:02AM GuardianLegend said

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The film industry is not entirely self regulated. It's illegal in most US areas for a minor to purchase porn, for example. So a porn movie isn't going to be paid for and viewed by a 12 year old in any theater.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:58AM sonicspike41 said

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@GuardianLegend While looking that up, I saw this from my state (Texas):

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/43.24.00.html

A person commits an offense if, knowing that the
material is harmful:
(1) and knowing the person is a minor, he sells,
distributes, exhibits, or possesses for sale, distribution, or
exhibition to a minor harmful material;
(2) he displays harmful material and is reckless about
whether a minor is present who will be offended or alarmed by the
display; or

"harmful content" is content that:
appeals to the prurient interest of a minor, in sex, nudity, or excretion
is patently offensive to prevailing
standards in the adult community as a whole with respect to what is suitable for minors
is utterly without redeeming social value for minors


So in Texas apparently a pornographic game could also be legally regulated, as well as any game that is deemed to be too "harmful" to a minor. (I imagine the unedited/unrated version of a game like Manhunt 2 would fit that bill).

It sounds like Texas already has somewhat similar regulations to the one California is trying to impose, only to a lesser extent (where it's mostly for porn/things so bad not even an adult might find it tasteful), instead of just to any "mature" content.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:43AM BrickArms said

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Video Games are a media akin to Movies. They should have simillar if not identical regulation (Read:none). Im not going to let a politician decide what games I can't play. I will play LFD2. I will play Doom 3. And I will play GTA4. I can tell the difference between RL and VideoGames.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:53AM KiraXD said

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signed the petition. It should be the parents duty to regulate the games their child plays.... not the governments. The government needs to stay out of my games.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 4:36AM Chief Oddball said

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Incidentally, is this the same Jeff Green who used to be editor of Computer Gaming World magazine? It looks like it is, but I haven't followed his career since he left CGW. (Hell, I haven't followed CGW since it was *called* CGW.)

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 9:04AM Boatsy said

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@Chief Oddball Same Jeff, been following him since CGW. He went to 1up/GFW magazine, after that went under he landed at EA. Love the guy, excellent writer and entertainer.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 5:23AM GQ1980 said

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Could America be the next Australia (obviously a more self obsessed than Oz, but Oz nonetheless)

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 6:26AM Scuffles said

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The only and I mean Only thing that concerns me personally about the law is if it makes developers do that second guessing about content.

Hell they already pull content to get an slightly lower ESRB rating.

And if one thing has FREAKING KILLED MOVIES FOR ME its PG-13
you look at PG-13 and say Horror movies (my personal favorite) and the combination just resonates "this is going to suck don't bother with it because its watered down beyond reason for the teeniebopers"

I mean look at the live action Akira, I wasn't really expecting much but I figured I'd give it a shot to see if they actually did something worth anything with it..... until it was confirmed it was PG-13 at which point I abandoned all hope for anything redeemable to come from said movie.

So it concerns me that laws like this might cause Developers/Publishers to neuter their games to sell more copies.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 7:39AM JAmerican said

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I'll be back.... to ban your games.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 9:33AM Tavataar said

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What is the punishment for a movie theater if they sell R-Rated tickets to someone who is under the age of 17? I have no problem with there being a penalty for stores that sell games to children that are too young to buy them, but that should be the bottom line.

Let the game studios make whatever they want, let the ESRB rate it appropriately, and let the stores sell them to appropriately aged people.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 11:35AM ScottG13 said

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Appellate Court just slammed the FCC for broadcast indecency and that's BROADCAST. The courts will go pretty far to protect content that is not broadcast and that you actually have to go out of your way to consume or be exposed to. I have few worries that games will not be considered speech & art going forward. The courts have been pretty sensible here. It's the pandering politicians that are wasting your deficit tax dollars trying to purchase votes from those with poor knowledge of our Constitution.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:13PM PunkJedi said

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OK, crazy thought, but here it goes.

Previously there was this Adults Only rating, but no game could hope to succeed with that rating due to publishers / platform manufacturers not allowing that rating due to sales/reputation. Let's say this legislation passes country-wide. Restricting some of these subjectively ultra-violent games would be detrimental to a lot of pocketbooks, meaning that the publishers would be crazy to not allow them. This leaves a new opening in ratings somewhere between Mature and Adults only. Perhaps this new rating will give some designers room to come up with mature games that they previously couldn't. Perhaps this will actually provide opportunity instead of harm as the industry adapts.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 8:03PM AtomicPlayboy said

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Would that the California legislature were an Adults Only endeavor, instead of a collection of immature, uninformed nitwits bent on infantilizing the population under a nanny state.

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