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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 10:58AM spin cycle said

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The Illusive Man is an AI.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 11:11AM edhe said

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*** SPOILERYISH ***


@spin cycle he *could* be an agent of the reapers working to bolster the strength of humanity as a whole.

The reapers are already wanting the humans as their next meal and the protheans made it out that when the time comes there is only one race that make it 'big' in space so the reapers have enough to chow down on.

Of course this puts him at odds with the collectors - but that could be intrigue.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 11:11AM commonperson said

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See here's the thing that I don't like about some story telling some days. The Illusive Man's power comes from the fact that in the story he's Illusive. His past and motivation is obscured from us. We don't know why he does what he does or where he draws his wealth from. It makes him a variable that's unquantifiable and something that keeps the reader or viewer guessing.

There's a compulsion in modern story telling to give away all the details of the characters, to explore their "back stories" to the Nth degree. Look at Star Wars or one of hundreds of Comic book characters, this disassembly and dissection of the character reduces them and removes their power. In Star Wars characters that once had mystery and power are now just disassociated from that. I look at Vader and I have to try and remind my self of the fear I felt before he was just a whiny jerk who couldn't get over the fact he couldn't be with the girl he loved. I look at Logan from Wolverine and go yeah he's a bad ass now but man he used to be a mamas boy and wtf dude, you've had this thing for Gene because you had a crush on a little red haired girl as a child?!

Then you look at other literature, Gandalf is a figure of power and yes it's explained that he is a demi-god in the Silmarillion but it's not overly detailed and there's still mystery layered upon mystery that lends power to this character. Or for a more contemporary example look at Dumbledore again a wizard who has hints at his past and even after the author brought him out of the closet post publication of the last book there is still huge gaps in his story that leaves much to the imagination. It lends him power.

In this time of Wikipedia and Fanstories and mutli-media innundation we are losing something of the power. It's like a naked lady, it's not what she shows that makes her sexy, but what she hints at and hides that gives her appeal.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 11:13AM edhe said

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@commonperson you could not read them.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 11:28AM spin cycle said

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@commonperson You just described elusive, not illusive.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 11:30AM Rocketboy said

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@commonperson I was with you until you mentioned naked ladies. I would rather there not be a surprise waiting for me.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 12:16PM commonperson said

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@edhe And often I don't. It's the fan culture of obsession that unfortunately diminishes stories and you get weakened narratives in the future. For example, the God of War series as a game is considered fairly weak in the story department. A fairly trite story of revenge. But depending on who you listened to (those who played the PSP game and those who didn't) you get a very different interpretation. Why? Because they opened up an aspect of the character and explored an element of his life which formed some of the basis for his current decision making in the later narrative.

Now, is this good or bad? Hard to tell, a good story teller would pass on those motives and motivations without relying on the secondary work. That being said, the secondary work adds a level of interest and colour to a character who would otherwise be missing that and without proper handling appear two dimensional and trite. There are good and compelling reasons for both but it is a little disheartening that there's almost a requirement now for these elaborate expansions of the story and characters often to the detriment of the story over all. Again, using Star Wars as an example I don't watch The Clone Wars cartoon, it's just not my bag. But I did read the novels about the nulls and the commandos. They were great, but because of tinkering and "retelling" and "expanding" the author who created these compelling and great characters quit because of the constant "expansion" they took the characters that she created and changed their back story and their character to the point they were no longer hers.

Now this is an extreme example, Lucas while maintaining an "iron fist" on his property also does some pretty silly things and doesn't really keep the narrative in control but it's just one sample of this kind of thing.

In the end though, after all my ranting, I'm weak. I try and avoid these things and try and not indulge but often, if I love a story and it's characters I'm oft hard pressed to resist the urge to buy it. :-P
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 12:18PM commonperson said

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@spin cycle illusive finds it's base in illusory. And what is an illusion but an obfuscation of reality. I'm just carrying it to the next step but yeah, I debated saying it that way my self so I see your point. :-)
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 9:10PM spin cycle said

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@commonperson An illusion is a false reality. It doesn't necessarily hide anything. You meant elusive.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 12:05PM Nytemare said

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I heard the voice actor of this guy on the radio like last month...It was pretty funny to hear the Illusive Man supporting something other than "humanity", lol.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 12:56PM MarkezJM said

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@Nytemare / Ha, I had a similar experience when I heard him doing a Midas radio commercial. First thought was "WHY IS THE ILLUSIVE MAN HAWKING MUFFLERS?!"
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 1:28PM Dirty said

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@Nytemare Clearly Mufflers benefit the great good of Mankind. Mufflers probably play some sort of role in a future war against an alien threat. Also the voice actor is Martin Sheen.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 5:01PM DevilSei said

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@Nytemare

Everyone knows the quickest way to take down a reaper, is to install a muffler on their ships, then plug it with a potato and hope for either

1) Comical situation in which the ship stalls, with the equally funny "sputtering" sound effect played by each reaper.

or

2) They choke on their own exhausts somehow.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 1:03PM Vcize said

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What I can't believe is that the illusive man is eventually killed by a group of Boston Mobsters that throw him off a roof.

I really thought he was more powerful than that.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 1:21PM Halgrimur said

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I...Can Not...Wait..For...The... Denouement...Of...The...Mass...Effect...Trilogy...
BioWare better not let us down, We NEED the ME trilogy to finish in a legendary manner!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 1:30PM Mr Numeros said

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I'm sure Martin Sheen will reprise his likeness.
Plus he can reprise his voice in your head while you read the comic.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 1:53PM ShadowOp said

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"Upon hearing the announcement, we also wondered if Sheen would reprise his role in the comics, which was one of the dumbest things we've said to ourselves all year."

These are the kinda things that make me giggle... especially when im at work doing mundane and redundant tasks. Thank you joystiq, for helping me feel sane.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 2:29PM rTwelve said

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I'm the Illusive Man, and you have no idea if this is my favorite post on the internet.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 2:38PM Daverator said

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Hey everyone, this store discriminates against poor people!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 4:05PM McDude said

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I think the Illusive Man is the G-Man's son
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 4:09PM robotoid said

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I'm the Illusive Man and the University of Dayton is my favorite University in the galaxy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja_Wq_okGJ4
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Posted: Jul 19th 2010 5:03AM Rather Dashing said

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People should learn the difference between "illusive" and "elusive". I'm pretty sure the Man himself has a dialog option about that very thing.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2010 10:00AM Timerider said

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Can't wait for the new novel at the end of the month.
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