Existence of a secret master timeline for the Zelda universe confirmed
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First and foremost, that headline is the most skin-crawlingly nerdy thing we've ever committed to virtual paper, and we write about video games professionally on a daily basis. Moving on.
In an interview with Official Nintendo Magazine (as transcribed by ZeldaDungeon), Eiji Aonuma commented on the placement of The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword in the oft-speculated timeline of the franchise. More notable than the game's positioning was Aonuma's confirmation of an overarching Zelda timeline -- though he explained that it's a "confidential document" to which only "myself, Mr. Miyamoto and the director of the title" have access.
Aonuma revealed that Skyward Sword comes before Ocarina of Time in said timeline, but wouldn't comment on whether it's the first game in the chronological series. He explained, "for us to add titles to the series, we have to have a way of putting the titles before or after each other," hence the secrecy. That makes sense -- as long as they're all comfortable with the swirling, black morass of insanity that's surfaced due to their reticence.
In an interview with Official Nintendo Magazine (as transcribed by ZeldaDungeon), Eiji Aonuma commented on the placement of The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword in the oft-speculated timeline of the franchise. More notable than the game's positioning was Aonuma's confirmation of an overarching Zelda timeline -- though he explained that it's a "confidential document" to which only "myself, Mr. Miyamoto and the director of the title" have access.
Aonuma revealed that Skyward Sword comes before Ocarina of Time in said timeline, but wouldn't comment on whether it's the first game in the chronological series. He explained, "for us to add titles to the series, we have to have a way of putting the titles before or after each other," hence the secrecy. That makes sense -- as long as they're all comfortable with the swirling, black morass of insanity that's surfaced due to their reticence.
Reader Comments (86)
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:24PM TheMichaelJackson said
The Zelda timeline causes a major headache.
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Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 5:23AM PR0F3TA said
@TheMichaelJackson
i know most would disagree but Links Awakening is my all time fav Zelda game, i remember playing the original on a Game Boy Pocket for hours, trading endlessly for a master sword. I tried playing on a iPhone emulator not to long ago, wasn't the same, i should leave my past where it still has fond memories
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i know most would disagree but Links Awakening is my all time fav Zelda game, i remember playing the original on a Game Boy Pocket for hours, trading endlessly for a master sword. I tried playing on a iPhone emulator not to long ago, wasn't the same, i should leave my past where it still has fond memories
Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 3:49PM Saria the Cat said
@PR0F3TA
Aww, you're not alone. That was my first Zelda game. :) I am a big Link's Awakening fan, though my heart lies with my true love, Ocarina of Time. It's where my moniker comes from.
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Aww, you're not alone. That was my first Zelda game. :) I am a big Link's Awakening fan, though my heart lies with my true love, Ocarina of Time. It's where my moniker comes from.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:25PM (Unverified) said
I just like to think each Zelda game as a universe of it's own. Sure OOT and Majora's mask are connected but those are the only two I count as connected stories.
Each game has it's own story and timeline
Each game has it's own difference in gameplay
Each game is the same good shit.
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Each game has it's own story and timeline
Each game has it's own difference in gameplay
Each game is the same good shit.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:37PM phatman516 said
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isnt OOT, Majoras Mask, and Twilight Princess all connected?
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isnt OOT, Majoras Mask, and Twilight Princess all connected?
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:58PM WEBDaNoise said
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Dude don't be an ass they just confirmed that there is a timeline.
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Dude don't be an ass they just confirmed that there is a timeline.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 9:31PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said
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Zelda II is direct to LoZ
The two Oracle games are related
LA is directly related to LttP (he takes an adventure after defeating Ganon)
PH is directly after WW, and ST is 100yr after PH.
A lot of the games are connected, even those horrible CD-i ga--[gets stabbed]
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Zelda II is direct to LoZ
The two Oracle games are related
LA is directly related to LttP (he takes an adventure after defeating Ganon)
PH is directly after WW, and ST is 100yr after PH.
A lot of the games are connected, even those horrible CD-i ga--[gets stabbed]
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 9:36PM MowDownJoe said
@Acosta02 And both Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks both reference Wind Waker, as Fister mentioned.
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Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 12:15AM GumbyX said
@BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam
Actually the Oracle games take place before Link's Awakening because if you beat a linked game, the Oracles, Zelda, and Impa wish Link well on his travels as he leave on a raft very similar to the one in the opening of Link's Awakening. Link to the Past would be before the Oracle games as Ganaon is being revived in his pig-demon form.
The timeline they link to in the article is one of the few I actually agree with, minus the separate adult and child timelines (even if it does make sense).
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Actually the Oracle games take place before Link's Awakening because if you beat a linked game, the Oracles, Zelda, and Impa wish Link well on his travels as he leave on a raft very similar to the one in the opening of Link's Awakening. Link to the Past would be before the Oracle games as Ganaon is being revived in his pig-demon form.
The timeline they link to in the article is one of the few I actually agree with, minus the separate adult and child timelines (even if it does make sense).
Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 12:55AM BananaBoat said
Ever since someone told me that "Ganon is basically Bowser, and Zelda is basically Peach" I've stopped the hunt for truths concerning the universe time line.
I was like "Bullshi....no....yep...damnit"
Didn't care when I was a kid though. OOT and LTTP were more fun than one person should be allowed.
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I was like "Bullshi....no....yep...damnit"
Didn't care when I was a kid though. OOT and LTTP were more fun than one person should be allowed.
Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 4:44AM DerickDBrown said
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This thread is so awesomely case-in-point that I got giddy wanting to reply.
I love you all.
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This thread is so awesomely case-in-point that I got giddy wanting to reply.
I love you all.
Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 3:54PM Saria the Cat said
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Not sure why you're getting flamed, I don't see what's wrong with viewing each game as a separate universe. I'm a big Zelda fan but I think of the titles in a similar way when I'm playing. Each new Link is always told they are from a long line of heroic ancestors, so I'm okay with thinking "Alright, this is just the next hero in line." I just consider it a lot of perfect reincarnation business happening.
I just wonder what all the other children of these ancestors look like in between each Link and how the hell can there even be a long line of Links if it looks like he never even gets laid by the girl in the end! Illegitimate children?
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Not sure why you're getting flamed, I don't see what's wrong with viewing each game as a separate universe. I'm a big Zelda fan but I think of the titles in a similar way when I'm playing. Each new Link is always told they are from a long line of heroic ancestors, so I'm okay with thinking "Alright, this is just the next hero in line." I just consider it a lot of perfect reincarnation business happening.
I just wonder what all the other children of these ancestors look like in between each Link and how the hell can there even be a long line of Links if it looks like he never even gets laid by the girl in the end! Illegitimate children?
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:48PM Macroy said
@Ovy I once read a pretty good Mario timeline.
http://www.burntheinternet.com/2008/12/super-mario-timeline.html
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http://www.burntheinternet.com/2008/12/super-mario-timeline.html
Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 1:13AM Ashkental said
@Ovy
Beucase Aonuma never said: "Mario has a timeline", but he said that about Zelda.
And c'mon, imagine a time where a game unites every single time into one cohesive story? Wouldn't that be like... the biggest puzzle ever? That's why people like to think there's a timeline and try to understand it I think.
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Beucase Aonuma never said: "Mario has a timeline", but he said that about Zelda.
And c'mon, imagine a time where a game unites every single time into one cohesive story? Wouldn't that be like... the biggest puzzle ever? That's why people like to think there's a timeline and try to understand it I think.
Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 4:48AM DerickDBrown said
@Ovy
Because many of them clearly reference other games as having come before or after. It's only natural to want to get everything in perspective.
What's unnatural is that they withhold this information from us and allow their fans to wonder indefinitely.
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Because many of them clearly reference other games as having come before or after. It's only natural to want to get everything in perspective.
What's unnatural is that they withhold this information from us and allow their fans to wonder indefinitely.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:27PM ArchiGamer said
I fell slightly insane just looking at that pic. Ahh, head hurts!
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Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:29PM Mr Fister said
It's pretty obvious that there is some form of continuity in the Zelda Universe, but I'll bet that Nintendo purposely keeps it vague to prevent limiting themselves creatively for any future projects. Pretty smart, considering how Zelda is a franchise that they want to keep around for a very long time and the fact that it's one of the most discussed storylines in gaming despite how open to imagination it is.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:41PM Johnny Locke said
@Mr Fister
That's what I kind of like about it, you connect the dots yourself.
Like for instance it's very obvious Wind Waker is a sequel to Ocarina of Time, not directly but it's obviously after Ocarina.
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That's what I kind of like about it, you connect the dots yourself.
Like for instance it's very obvious Wind Waker is a sequel to Ocarina of Time, not directly but it's obviously after Ocarina.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:49PM KaBob799 said
@Loucetios
Probably because theres either unrevealed storyline planned for future games or because they don't want to be limited by public knowledge of the timeline. That way if they decide something would work better at a different time for a future games story, then they can change it without anybody realizing it had ever been otherwise.
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Probably because theres either unrevealed storyline planned for future games or because they don't want to be limited by public knowledge of the timeline. That way if they decide something would work better at a different time for a future games story, then they can change it without anybody realizing it had ever been otherwise.
Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 12:01AM GewurztraminerX said
@Loucetios
The timeline? It's a secret to everyone.
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The timeline? It's a secret to everyone.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:40PM The Joy of Painting w Bob Ross said
Nintendo just does this to laugh at all the idiots who waste time posting YouTube videos trying to explain a timeline that even the creators of the damn series never actually established or even thought about establishing.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2010 9:07PM Nook said
@Foetoid
Cool your fanboi jets Scott, what you meant to say was "when the creators have just made a timeline up"
Or something of the likes, quite simply they have denied for years - this is fanboy PR work. Buzz building.
Next up tot he plate.......a delay.
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Cool your fanboi jets Scott, what you meant to say was "when the creators have just made a timeline up"
Or something of the likes, quite simply they have denied for years - this is fanboy PR work. Buzz building.
Next up tot he plate.......a delay.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:40PM linebeginstoblur said
I call BS. Sorry. My theory is that a timeline was planned, but in the end, they decided to just keep making games with similar elements that didn't have to have some huge connection. We've already established that we're not dealing with the same Links and Zeldas, and they're either different people entirely or ancestors/descendants.
Saying, "Yes, it's on a timeline, but we won't tell you," is nothing more than massive trolling.
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Saying, "Yes, it's on a timeline, but we won't tell you," is nothing more than massive trolling.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:41PM gevenstaines said
i wonder if WoG (wand of gamelon) fits into their picture...
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Posted: Jul 21st 2010 9:05PM RadiantViper said
@gevenstaines Those games take place at the end of the timeline ... right before the apocalypse ...
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Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:43PM RogueJedi86 said
I thought the idea was that Minish Cap was the first game in the timeline, with Ocarina being along early on. I can't think of the details, but Minish Cap had some early versions of many things, like it being pre-Triforce. I know it was stated that the original LoZ was the last game in the timeline. Plus the timeline was confirmed at E3 several years back.
The timeline isn't that confusing. The timeline spit at OoT. There was the timeline of the Adult Link, where the world was taken over by Ganon, and the timeline of the child Link at the end of the game, where he didn't. WindWaker shows a world that was flooded in the past to deal with Ganon, so it's clearly in the Adult Link timeline. Twilight Princess is in a world that was pretty peaceful in the past, where Ganon was sealed, so it takes place in the Young Link timeline. Majora's Mask is also in the Young Link timeline, since it follows Kid Zelda directly after the end of OotT. Phantom Hourglass is a sequel to WW, so it's also clearly in the same Adult Link timeline as WW.
Not that complex, there's only 2 timelines. We've all encountered far more complicated timelines in the past.
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The timeline isn't that confusing. The timeline spit at OoT. There was the timeline of the Adult Link, where the world was taken over by Ganon, and the timeline of the child Link at the end of the game, where he didn't. WindWaker shows a world that was flooded in the past to deal with Ganon, so it's clearly in the Adult Link timeline. Twilight Princess is in a world that was pretty peaceful in the past, where Ganon was sealed, so it takes place in the Young Link timeline. Majora's Mask is also in the Young Link timeline, since it follows Kid Zelda directly after the end of OotT. Phantom Hourglass is a sequel to WW, so it's also clearly in the same Adult Link timeline as WW.
Not that complex, there's only 2 timelines. We've all encountered far more complicated timelines in the past.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 11:51PM gatotsu911 said
@RogueJedi86
Yeah, just try comparing that to Chrono Cross.
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Yeah, just try comparing that to Chrono Cross.
Posted: Jul 22nd 2010 2:17AM SUPERSAIYAJINSONGOKU said
@RogueJedi86
Kid Zelda?
I believe you meant to say kid link.
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Kid Zelda?
I believe you meant to say kid link.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 8:50PM Johnny Locke said
It's probably confidential because they might have plans for loads of other games placed in different parts of the timeline.
Still waiting on the future blade runner-esque Zelda.
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Still waiting on the future blade runner-esque Zelda.
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 9:59PM ThePenIsMightier said
@Johnny Locke
You know why that will never happen?
Because Nintendo would have to make a new Zelda game instead of just recycling the same shit over and over. Ohman, the NEXT Zelda console game will shake up the format eh guys? Yes, calling my boomerang something else and or changing it's graphics truly makes it a different series. I wonder if I'll have to find bombs, and learn to use them by bombing a boss, then using it to drop walls/find secret areas? I hope I get a bow and arrow, then face a boss that can only be defeated with the bow and arrow, that'd be innovative! Maybe I can get some kind of hookshot device, or a grappling hook which is a completely different thing and not just another "shoot here and swing" device.
Or hell, maybe they mean that the sword will actually toss out a little energy bolt at full health, since that feature has been missing for...how long now? 15 years or so? Two decades?
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You know why that will never happen?
Because Nintendo would have to make a new Zelda game instead of just recycling the same shit over and over. Ohman, the NEXT Zelda console game will shake up the format eh guys? Yes, calling my boomerang something else and or changing it's graphics truly makes it a different series. I wonder if I'll have to find bombs, and learn to use them by bombing a boss, then using it to drop walls/find secret areas? I hope I get a bow and arrow, then face a boss that can only be defeated with the bow and arrow, that'd be innovative! Maybe I can get some kind of hookshot device, or a grappling hook which is a completely different thing and not just another "shoot here and swing" device.
Or hell, maybe they mean that the sword will actually toss out a little energy bolt at full health, since that feature has been missing for...how long now? 15 years or so? Two decades?
Posted: Jul 21st 2010 10:01PM ThePenIsMightier said
@Johnny Locke
I should add though that it IS a cool idea.
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I should add though that it IS a cool idea.
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