Molyneux: Fable 3 Kinect features needed more development time
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During last night's Engadget Show, Lionhead boss Peter Molyneux revealed that, despite earlier claims, Kinect functionality wouldn't ship with Fable 3 this October. We got a chance to speak with Molyneux after the show and asked him to explain what happened. "We probably could've done some little side quest with Kinect, but I love Kinect so much and I love Fable so much that I think we needed to have some time to develop it," he said. Molyneux also noted that Lionhead has a team working on Kinect right now and, if he "were a betting man," Kinect would play some role in Fable "at some time, it's just not gonna be at launch."
Molyneux wasn't allowed to get too specific with regards to Kinect prototypes Lionhead was working on for inclusion in Fable 3, but he did explain why they got scrapped. "I just said to myself 'Is this what people would expect Kinect to be in something like Fable?' And the answer, quite frankly, was 'no.' We're still working on that stuff, we're still adding stuff to it, and, as I said, I think the future for Kinect and Fable is probably bright."
Stay tuned for our full interview with Molyneux later.
Molyneux wasn't allowed to get too specific with regards to Kinect prototypes Lionhead was working on for inclusion in Fable 3, but he did explain why they got scrapped. "I just said to myself 'Is this what people would expect Kinect to be in something like Fable?' And the answer, quite frankly, was 'no.' We're still working on that stuff, we're still adding stuff to it, and, as I said, I think the future for Kinect and Fable is probably bright."
Stay tuned for our full interview with Molyneux later.
Reader Comments (44)
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:01AM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said
There needs to be a new feature titled: Yep, More Molyneux.
Of course, it couldn't be a weekly or daily feature. Maybe.. bi-hourly?
Of course, it couldn't be a weekly or daily feature. Maybe.. bi-hourly?
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 12:07PM SnorlaxTheSerialKiller said
@Ezio Auditore da Firenze
Bi-minutely.
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Bi-minutely.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:01AM BohanKing said
I hope that there isn't any Kinect anything when it comes to Fable 3....it'll just crap up a perfectly good game w/ some cheesy bullsh*t...
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:08AM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said
@BohanKing Seriously.
I don't need any cheesy bullshit getting in the way of my farting for spectators...........
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I don't need any cheesy bullshit getting in the way of my farting for spectators...........
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:07AM gangcar said
Aw, dang. No doubt Peter was going to throw in some awesome movement controls like "pet your dog", "wave to bystander", or perhaps "hail carriage taxi."
When will the tech finally catch up with all of Molyneux's groundbreaking ideas?
When will the tech finally catch up with all of Molyneux's groundbreaking ideas?
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:21AM McDuckScrooged said
@gangcar
When they realise that controller-less gaming is actually a very stupid idea for most games ?
When they admit precision is key for any proper game ...
When they realise buttons are not just some fancy extras on a controller but are actually a necessity ?
When they realise that human beings are pretty useless without tools and its tools that have helped us build our civilisations, not just pretending to hold tools ?
Just some ideas ..
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When they realise that controller-less gaming is actually a very stupid idea for most games ?
When they admit precision is key for any proper game ...
When they realise buttons are not just some fancy extras on a controller but are actually a necessity ?
When they realise that human beings are pretty useless without tools and its tools that have helped us build our civilisations, not just pretending to hold tools ?
Just some ideas ..
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 2:09PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said
@gangcar
You all say this nowabout Molyneux but if he made Black & White 3 specifically for Kinect, you would all punch yourselves in the neck for not believing.
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You all say this nowabout Molyneux but if he made Black & White 3 specifically for Kinect, you would all punch yourselves in the neck for not believing.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 3:27PM Lerkero said
@McDuckScrooged
With the recent popularity of Just Dance and how gaming press is fawning over Dance Central and that Rez-like Kinect game, I would assume there is a sect of people that would enjoy no precision and more flailing around.
Trying to make flailing motions in a serious/hardcore reaction type game is insulting however.
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With the recent popularity of Just Dance and how gaming press is fawning over Dance Central and that Rez-like Kinect game, I would assume there is a sect of people that would enjoy no precision and more flailing around.
Trying to make flailing motions in a serious/hardcore reaction type game is insulting however.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 5:49PM Stevetrop Man of Mystery said
@Captain Planet Planeteer Power
By golly cap I never thought of that until now sweet jebus would that ever be awesome.
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By golly cap I never thought of that until now sweet jebus would that ever be awesome.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:16AM Scuffles said
This is the one and only time I will support the "ship now fix later" mentality poisoning the game industry today. Ship the game now and fix motion controls later. I say this mainly because I could care less about motion controls ...well I do like them but they only really enhance certain games, odds are yours isn't one... just get the damn game out and if you never bother with fixing the motion controls, so be it.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:42AM Dante G said
@Scuffles
Well, in this case there wouldn't be anything to "fix" later IMO. Most likely the Kinect features would be some mini-games or extra content that don't really change the way you play the main game, and that's an easy sale as DLC.
Also, I agree with you on the release now, add Kinect later. New tech always needs more development time in order to work properly.
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Well, in this case there wouldn't be anything to "fix" later IMO. Most likely the Kinect features would be some mini-games or extra content that don't really change the way you play the main game, and that's an easy sale as DLC.
Also, I agree with you on the release now, add Kinect later. New tech always needs more development time in order to work properly.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 12:33PM yinzjagz said
@Scuffles
You truly are a moron if you think that the entire industry has a "ship now, fix later" mentality! Yes games like MW2 and other annual games are plagued by this, and whatever they need to fix sure as hell doesn't render them unplayable! You act as if the industry is just pumping out garbage as fast as it can. Think of all the glitches in older games that were never fixed, it's not due to a lack of caring. You largely do not know these issues exist because you built the game and therefore you know how it is supposed to be played. If you build a game you can't really objectively test it, so yes you do have to release it to the wild and hopefully you catch all the glitches in the beta, but not always the case. Red Dead Redemption was in development for like 5 years and they just released a patch the other day that fixed a litany of issues. Would you rather wait six more months for them to fix some minor issues? Yeah that's what I thought, ship now fix later! *facepalm*
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You truly are a moron if you think that the entire industry has a "ship now, fix later" mentality! Yes games like MW2 and other annual games are plagued by this, and whatever they need to fix sure as hell doesn't render them unplayable! You act as if the industry is just pumping out garbage as fast as it can. Think of all the glitches in older games that were never fixed, it's not due to a lack of caring. You largely do not know these issues exist because you built the game and therefore you know how it is supposed to be played. If you build a game you can't really objectively test it, so yes you do have to release it to the wild and hopefully you catch all the glitches in the beta, but not always the case. Red Dead Redemption was in development for like 5 years and they just released a patch the other day that fixed a litany of issues. Would you rather wait six more months for them to fix some minor issues? Yeah that's what I thought, ship now fix later! *facepalm*
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:20AM McDuckScrooged said
When they realise that controller-less gaming is actually a very stupid idea for most games ?
When they admit precision is key for any proper game ...
When they realise buttons are not just some fancy extras on a controller but are actually a necessity ?
When they realise that human beings are pretty useless without tools and its tools that have helped us build our civilisations, not just pretending to hold tools ?
Just some ideas ..
When they admit precision is key for any proper game ...
When they realise buttons are not just some fancy extras on a controller but are actually a necessity ?
When they realise that human beings are pretty useless without tools and its tools that have helped us build our civilisations, not just pretending to hold tools ?
Just some ideas ..
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:22AM McDuckScrooged said
sorry double post, meant to be in response to gangcar..
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Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:20AM bigotis said
Another reason I won't be buying Kinect.
I'll save up for nintendo 3DS
I'll save up for nintendo 3DS
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:30AM baby sea tuna said
Gee, that's too bad, Pete. I guess I'll have to pick up Fable III "at some time, it's just not gonna be at launch."
At least this'll make q4 a little easier for me to schedule.
At least this'll make q4 a little easier for me to schedule.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:42AM MystileArmor said
Kinect to Fable III is what co-op is to Fable II?
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:45AM Hawaii Jeff said
another massive fail for Kinect!
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 11:47AM spin cycle said
Kinect is falling apart. Now even the pre-release marketing hype can't hold together.
KS has just put too much on the shoulders of Kinect. Just as Sony has with Move. They both want motion gaming to be seen as revolutionary and to promise amazing things to gamers and to bring huge boosts in sales.
But between problems with the technology and just the ill-suitedness of motion controls to "hardcore" (precision, long-session) gaming.
KS has just put too much on the shoulders of Kinect. Just as Sony has with Move. They both want motion gaming to be seen as revolutionary and to promise amazing things to gamers and to bring huge boosts in sales.
But between problems with the technology and just the ill-suitedness of motion controls to "hardcore" (precision, long-session) gaming.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 12:25PM McDuckScrooged said
@spin cycle - The difference is Sony has precision..
From the start when they demoed the thing in e3 2009 Sony showed tech demo's, showed the thing running live.. Since then they had the technology down, it wasn't about flashy marketing videos, what you see is what you get.
Watch this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uF_fasPphc -- Never-Before-Seen Playstation Move Tech Demo's
This is the latest bunch of tech demo's Sony have been showing off.. This gives you an idea of precision, its ultimately up to the developers to utilise it properly, but looking at the tech demo's it becomes very clear how freaking accurate this controller is.. Look at how they demo it , they don't care they have the tech locked down tight they don't ask people to stand in a particular way to move a particular way, to get out of the way.. It doesn't matter, none of it seems to matter, the controller just works..
I think the two are wildly different, I wouldn't paint both with the same brush.. I think move will sell well among the people that already own a ps3, it may even encourage people to buy a ps3..
Kinect never impressed me, I really dont know how well it will do..
By December / January we will definitely all know .. Either they will both flop, both be successful, or 1 will flop and the other will be a success.
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From the start when they demoed the thing in e3 2009 Sony showed tech demo's, showed the thing running live.. Since then they had the technology down, it wasn't about flashy marketing videos, what you see is what you get.
Watch this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uF_fasPphc -- Never-Before-Seen Playstation Move Tech Demo's
This is the latest bunch of tech demo's Sony have been showing off.. This gives you an idea of precision, its ultimately up to the developers to utilise it properly, but looking at the tech demo's it becomes very clear how freaking accurate this controller is.. Look at how they demo it , they don't care they have the tech locked down tight they don't ask people to stand in a particular way to move a particular way, to get out of the way.. It doesn't matter, none of it seems to matter, the controller just works..
I think the two are wildly different, I wouldn't paint both with the same brush.. I think move will sell well among the people that already own a ps3, it may even encourage people to buy a ps3..
Kinect never impressed me, I really dont know how well it will do..
By December / January we will definitely all know .. Either they will both flop, both be successful, or 1 will flop and the other will be a success.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 12:07PM oOWallaceOo said
*Sing to the Stonecutters chant*
Who's the boss at Lionhead?
Who made sure your dog is dead?
Molyneux, Molyneux
Who hypes up all of his games?
Who makes unrealistic claims?
Molyneux, Molyneux
Who lets you fart in some guys face?
Who'd be impossible to, replace?
Molyneux, Molyneux
Who is dropping support for kinect?
Who probably has his own sect?
Molyneux, Molyneux
Who's the boss at Lionhead?
Who made sure your dog is dead?
Molyneux, Molyneux
Who hypes up all of his games?
Who makes unrealistic claims?
Molyneux, Molyneux
Who lets you fart in some guys face?
Who'd be impossible to, replace?
Molyneux, Molyneux
Who is dropping support for kinect?
Who probably has his own sect?
Molyneux, Molyneux
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 12:22PM yinzjagz said
I know a lot of people like this guy, but he always comes off as a pompous ass to me. Not so much here, but almost everything he says is hot air and he really hasn't made that many great video games. Fable is cool and all, but he always acts like he's the smartest guy in the room and his concepts are sooooooo groundbreaking. (listen to his little rant on leveling up)
Also the things he says are soooooo vague! IF he WAS a betting man....... I THINK the future is PROBABLY bright. How do you go from definitely to "Ehhhhhhhh well we may possibly do it at some point if we feel like it and we can get the god awful tech to do something that is remotely interesting. "
It's funny that he was among the first to get his hands on the tech and is supposed to be "god's gift to gamers" (in his own mind) and even he can't get any interesting implementation of of Kinect!
Also the things he says are soooooo vague! IF he WAS a betting man....... I THINK the future is PROBABLY bright. How do you go from definitely to "Ehhhhhhhh well we may possibly do it at some point if we feel like it and we can get the god awful tech to do something that is remotely interesting. "
It's funny that he was among the first to get his hands on the tech and is supposed to be "god's gift to gamers" (in his own mind) and even he can't get any interesting implementation of of Kinect!
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 12:38PM Snap Count said
I'm in no way going to compare this guy to the great minds if Galileo or da Vinci. But don't you think we need people Like this to push the boundrays of what's possible in games. I too think he's a little bit of a nut job but at least there's someone out there that can make us think about what could be possible.
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Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:09PM FaerieTael said
@yinzjagz - You people really need to find someone else to hate, someone who doesn't contribute a bloody thing to gaming. Molyneux works his arse off, not only coming up with cool new stuff and designing EXCELLENT games, but managing a boatload of studios including Lionhead and Rare.
So he gets enthusiastic, so he sometimes oversells and under delivers, so what? His games are still great, and he owns up to his faults more than any individual developer in the industry. He hardly has an air of thinking he's 'God's gift to gamers.' He comes off as being genuinely in love with what he does, and eager to share his work with the world ... that's a damn good thing for someone in any sort of creative position.
Molyneux deserves to speak his mind, it's not like he's hurting anyone. And I look forward to playing whatever the hell he comes up with, seeing as he's had a hand in some of my absolute favourite games. The guy doesn't need to stop, it's people like you - and seemingly the rest of the Joystiq lot - that need to take a breather.
I'm not here ranting and raving about the developers I'm not terribly fond of every time they make some claptrap statement or develop another underwhelming game (Jaffe, Bleszinski) ... because they work hard, they contribute, they make gaming better, and they deserve their recognition. What have you lot done worth a damn lately?
Keep speaking your mind Molyneux, I find it fascinating.
So he gets enthusiastic, so he sometimes oversells and under delivers, so what? His games are still great, and he owns up to his faults more than any individual developer in the industry. He hardly has an air of thinking he's 'God's gift to gamers.' He comes off as being genuinely in love with what he does, and eager to share his work with the world ... that's a damn good thing for someone in any sort of creative position.
Molyneux deserves to speak his mind, it's not like he's hurting anyone. And I look forward to playing whatever the hell he comes up with, seeing as he's had a hand in some of my absolute favourite games. The guy doesn't need to stop, it's people like you - and seemingly the rest of the Joystiq lot - that need to take a breather.
I'm not here ranting and raving about the developers I'm not terribly fond of every time they make some claptrap statement or develop another underwhelming game (Jaffe, Bleszinski) ... because they work hard, they contribute, they make gaming better, and they deserve their recognition. What have you lot done worth a damn lately?
Keep speaking your mind Molyneux, I find it fascinating.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 3:40PM yinzjagz said
@FaerieTael
I think it's fair to say that you have a fair amount of nerd rage built up inside of you. And what have rare pumped out under Molyneaux's helm? He's a bag of hot air, ANYONE can talk about what they WANT to do! His leveling up speech was pure garbage, and made no sense plus All his years of broken promises plus the fact that he really hasn't created anything interesting since the first fable. I think it's time to do less talking and more rocking!
There's a difference between speaking your mind and making lofty empty promises about what you WANT or COULD do if the tech were there and you had infinite time. Basically anyone can dream, and his "visions" are better left for developer conferences than as promises to fans!
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I think it's fair to say that you have a fair amount of nerd rage built up inside of you. And what have rare pumped out under Molyneaux's helm? He's a bag of hot air, ANYONE can talk about what they WANT to do! His leveling up speech was pure garbage, and made no sense plus All his years of broken promises plus the fact that he really hasn't created anything interesting since the first fable. I think it's time to do less talking and more rocking!
There's a difference between speaking your mind and making lofty empty promises about what you WANT or COULD do if the tech were there and you had infinite time. Basically anyone can dream, and his "visions" are better left for developer conferences than as promises to fans!
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:12PM magusat999 said
I like my controller. I could care less about controller-less play, and I don't have any fantasies about playing all of my games either without a controller or with a chuck-like device like the Wii. The main reason I do not own a Wii to this day is that I don't care for the chuck, and the fact that it is forced upon Wii players instead of giving them an option. If I want a workout I can do it without my game console being involved! (And what is really disappointing in the Wii's example is that the Wavebird controller was the best ever made). I am hoping that this supid Kinect thing never takes off so MS won't try and force everyone to play that way.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:15PM paper said
Here is for them never bothering to add the Kinect controls at all. There are games that this kinda thing is perfect for and this is not one of them.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:25PM FaerieTael said
@paper - And why would it hurt you or anyone if they did add it? Why wouldn't you embrace the OPTION to use an extra feature that doesn't negatively impact the rest of your experience?
"I don't like it, so no one can have it"
Not that you've actually tried it or anything, so why bother ...
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"I don't like it, so no one can have it"
Not that you've actually tried it or anything, so why bother ...
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:25PM DevilSei said
"if he "were a betting man," Kinect would play some role in Fable "at some time, it's just not gonna be at launch.""
You know, I think something similar...
If I was a betting man, Fable will be great at some time, just not at launch of the current one.
You know, I think something similar...
If I was a betting man, Fable will be great at some time, just not at launch of the current one.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:30PM FaerieTael said
@DevilSei - You're such a one trick pony. Is that all you do is post negative comments on Fable and Molyneux articles? Get a life mate.
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Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:47PM DevilSei said
@FaerieTael
Well, if you bothered to actually look, you'd see I've only made 4 posts recently about Fable 3, and honestly, its not my fault that Molyneux makes it too easy.
But hey, while we're doing the whole "one-trick pony based solely recent posts" thing, you're quite the one trick pony yourself. I've never seen a nose browner, and I saw the horrible Fable 3 fart trailer.
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Well, if you bothered to actually look, you'd see I've only made 4 posts recently about Fable 3, and honestly, its not my fault that Molyneux makes it too easy.
But hey, while we're doing the whole "one-trick pony based solely recent posts" thing, you're quite the one trick pony yourself. I've never seen a nose browner, and I saw the horrible Fable 3 fart trailer.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:32PM geniuswithagun said
I'm sensing a project 10 dollar...
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:53PM ScottG13 said
My interest in Kinect continues to die a grisly death.
Posted: Aug 5th 2010 2:14PM SnorlaxTheSerialKiller said
@ScottG13
If it's as grisly as your beard then it must be one hell of a death.
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If it's as grisly as your beard then it must be one hell of a death.
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