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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:14AM txphisher said

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Awesome! I cant wait. I also hope this game has gfwl achievements. I would much rather play it on my eyefinity setup than on the tv.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:01PM Iron Man said

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@txphisher

OMFG where did this wall of text come from?
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:31PM TraV said

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@txphisher
I believe New Vegas will be using Steam..
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:35PM Fausk said

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@txphisher

I doubt it since it's already confirmed to be using Steam as it's DRM method. Probably will have Steam Achievements though, I'd imagine.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 1:00PM jaydark123 said

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@txphisher

gfwl?
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 1:21PM pasta SteamXBL pastapappie said

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@jaydark123 Games For Windows Live
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 6:01PM mattimus said

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@Fausk

Using steam as its DRM does not preclude it from having windows live achievements, as evidenced by Dawn of War II. Fallout 3 is also available on Steam now and still has windows live achievements. In fact it is highly unlikely that New Vegas won't have windows live achievements, seeing as how the official pc box art has the big ol' WIndows Live logo on the top.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:15AM sear said

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Hey, a heads up for the author of this piece - traits are not "new" to Fallout.

Also, no shit New Vegas will be better than Fallout 3. Fallout 3 was a decently fun game with terrible writing and dialogue, and possibly one of the most offensively stupid, hole-filled plots in the history of gaming, and it still had the gall to take itself seriously. As far as gameplay goes, Fallout 3 was probably the most poorly-balanced RPG I've ever played, and the shooting aspect was D-grade at best.

New Vegas, meanwhile, is being made by the people who by and large made the first two Fallout games, which means that, even if the gameplay isn't improved too much over Fallout 3, at least it will have good writing, a coherent story, and a game universe that doesn't contradict itself. Frankly, I'm looking forward to enjoying Fallout 3-style exploration and questing without feeling like my brain is being sucked out of my ear the whole time.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:21AM jozanovic said

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@sear What contradictions? I thought Fallout 3 was nearly flawless.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:24AM Cleric said

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@sear

don't forget, insult the ps3? downvoted

insult the 360? upvoted
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:26AM Bacon Deity said

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@Cleric

Don't be a fanboy cleric. They have websites for that.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:28AM Faceless Troll said

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@jozanovic Fallout 3 was incredibly easy to min/max. With the right perks you were nigh invincible, and after a certain point money was simply not an issue anymore. (There were also lots of map bugs, but that's a separate issue. And of course the questionable morality system.) It was still fun, but saying it was flawless is a bit too rose-colored. Not that I won't be getting New Vegas anyway . . .
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:33AM Cleric said

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@Bacon Deity

oh I know. Joystiq is one of them
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:34AM sear said

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@jozanovic

Why would you install a water purifier at the basin of a river? Wouldn't you want to install it upriver?

Why were Super Mutants introduced to the story and then never explained?

Why is your father so stupid that he doesn't realise water can be purified through simple filtration?

Why does your father send you on a mad quest to find some ancient magic technology (whose purpose is conveniently retconned from Fallout 2) in order to make his giant purifier work, even though he mentions the technology works on a small scale and thus could be easily distributed throughout the Wasteland?

Why haven't the people of the Wasteland developed agriculture, despite people having done it 100 years earlier on the West Coast in Fallout 1?

Why are there towns of 2 people who would never logically be able to survive on their own?

Why is there a town built around an undetonated atomic bomb, which apparently NOBODY has ever attempted to disarm in 200 years?

Why does Three Dog have a radio station dedicated solely to reporting on the player character?

Why did nobody make music past 1950 or so? Fallout takes place in an alternate 1950s continuity, where culture and technology went in a direction opposite to our own, but I don't see why that would have halted development.

How does the town of Little Lamplight survive? Do the children have sex with each other or something?

Why can't I just shoot those kids, or give them a spanking, rather than be forced into one of the worst instances of railroading in gaming history?

Why are Talon Company and the Super Mutants fighting over the Capitol Building despite having no apparent motivation?

Why does Moira Brown instantly turn into a ghoul despite it being stated canonically plenty of times that it is a result of slow and constant exposure to large amounts of radiation and FEV?

Why is it that almost all buildings in the game are still stocked with pre-war goods, weapons, food, etc. despite it being 200 years after the bombs fell? That stuff would all be gone after 15, if that.

These are just a few of the questions that I could come up with off hand. There are dozens more that I could find if I did a quick read here and there. The answer to all of those questions, of course, is either "because Bethesda didn't think it through" or "because Bethesda has no respect for their source material". And no, before you say "put too much thought into it", maybe you should realise that these are all questions that any idiot can ask - they aren't convoluted and nagging problems, they are things that basic logic will instantly highlight if you stop and use your brain for about a half second.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:38AM Uniquitous said

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@sear Rope it in, comic book guy.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:38AM Petebot330 said

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@sear Being a condescending know-it-all? Downvoted!
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:41AM Faceless Troll said

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@sear Super Mutants were introduced and explained in the first Fallout game, but I think Bethesda expects you to know it already or something.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:42AM PR0F3TA said

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@sear

nobody here knows whats its like to be downvoted for having an opinion more then me i think, *BUT*, Fallout 3 had bad dialogue? i didn't think so at all... maybe the story did have a few plot holes (like sacrificing one self to enable project purity when you could have easily send in Fawks or the SR-13 companion), and yes at level 20 (or even 30) you are an unstoppable person with ridiculous amount of damage... but the thing is that Fallout 3 wasn't JUST about the main story, it was (to me) about the atmosphere of this barren wasteland, or a world with no laws, the endless exploration and the battles you fought and the choices you made

if you played Fallout 3 and all you got at the end was the main story line, then you played it all wrong. I passed the game in less then 2 days, but i've been playing the game for more then 2 years. if that makes sense to you at all.

on topic, i CAN'T WAIT till New Vegas, i hate to sound like a self centered douche bag but im a HUGE Fallout player. Ive played them all, and while FO2 is my favorite, Fallout 3 is one of the best RPG's this gen to *ME*.... i also need a new map because i can give you directions on the Capital Wasteland without even trying.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:47AM Ars said

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@sear

You make some excellent points, but at the end of the day, if people enjoy the gameplay enough, the terribly written story is just filler.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:48AM sear said

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@Faceless Troll

The Super Mutants in Fallout 3 are a totally different strain than the ones in the first two Fallouts. The original Super Mutants were created by The Master as part of his plans for a post-human world. The ones in Fallout 3? "Ooh, big scary ogres that eat people, rawr! And I guess it was like, some sort of experiment? Or something?" It's either a plot thread that Bethesda dropped or forgot about.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:49AM RadiantViper said

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@sear
Be a grade-A troll? Downvoted!

Whine about being downvoted? Downvoted!
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:51AM w1n5t0n said

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@Sear
Someone's got to much time on their hands.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:52AM sear said

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@DarrylKensley

Yes, the game breaks if you think about it for more than a second. My point is that Bethesda should have thought of a story, characters and game world that actually make sense, rather than cover it up with scotch tape and slow-mo headshots. I don't mean to shock you, but it is actually possible to create a story which is logically consistent and actually does have answers for all those "why" questions. Maybe you aren't very discerning when it comes to your game universes, but that's one of the main reasons I play RPGs, and especially Fallout, and I don't see how any of my complaints are invalid.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:54AM LockeDaemonfire said

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@sear

Actually, the surest way to get yourself downvoted is to complain about downvotes. I haven't played the game so I won't comment on it, but don't take downvotes personally. If you made an argument or have an opinion that people don't agree with, then people can press the minus sign just to simply say 'I disagree'. Think of it as an opinion poll and not something personal.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:55AM sear said

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@RadiantViper

It saddens me to think that merely posting a negative opinion of something is "trolling". Apparently I'm not allowed to be critical of anything, anything at all! Fancy that. No, it can't be a legitimate opinion - EVERYBODY must love Fallout 3. It must have been my goal to stir up chaos and disharmony all along.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 11:59AM RadiantViper said

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@sear
Yes, it was your goal. You're allowed to post your opinion, but you obviously knew that making such a condescending and flamebait post would start an argument. Thus, you fit the very definition of troll.

Stop trying to act all 'I think something different, I am so cool and above you'. It makes you look like a huge douchebag, and won't sway anyone's opinion.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:03PM LockeDaemonfire said

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@sear

'It saddens me to think that merely posting a negative opinion of something is "trolling"'

This I can get behind. I wish everyone would stop using the terms 'troll', and also 'fanboy'. If you like something you're a fanboy and if you don't like something you're a troll. It's like Easy Mode for insults, you don't even have to think. I mean, they sometimes apply, but not 99% of the time they're used.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:04PM Discotheque said

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@sear While he is practically ranting, I agree with him for the most part. This place just doesn't accept criticism for any major game though sadly.

And sometimes it feels backwards: Mass Effect 2 - a sci-fi masterpiece with an incredible story and a straight RPG, Dragon Age - lol this is shit graphics suck why can't my character speak?

etc. etc.

Anyways I'm glad it's going back to Obsidian. It can keep the Bethesda gameplay elements for all I care, I just want a decent story. Which has never been Bethesda's strong suits. They just gloss over that stuff in favor of exploration.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:04PM Zepp95 said

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An awful lot of those flaws you pointed out can be answered using your imagination. Why put a water purifier at the mouth of a river? As far as I can remember, there aren't any other facilities with the right equipment and layout up river. Why does Three Dog spend his show concentrating on you? The same reason tabloids, and indeed anyone, concentrates on celebrities. Any of those questions can be answered.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:05PM RadiantViper said

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@LockeDaemonfire
Not what I said. It wouldn't be trolling if he had a negative opinion but wasn't a dick about it. I respect his base opinion, not the way he shares it.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:10PM Faceless Troll said

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@RadiantViper I didn't get any "dickish" impression from his post. Maybe you're just thin-skinned?
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:13PM LockeDaemonfire said

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@RadiantViper

Yeah, I wasn't trying to judge the validity of this particular use of the word 'troll' or attack you in any way. He probably wasn't as polite as he could be, but I've seen much worse here, so... eh, *shrug* I was just agreeing with the sentiment of that particular statement in a general sense, because honestly people use 'troll' and 'fanboy' a lot. I mean a lot a lot.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:13PM Hank Hill said

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@sear Complaining about contradictions in a game with nuke-firing mechs, chinese zombies, aliens, talking trees and a sentient brain-in-a-jar is the stupidest thing I've seen for a long while.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:14PM RadiantViper said

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@Faceless Troll
All his posts count. First doesn't have much (besides general troll-ness), but as early as the second he starts being an ass.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:15PM PR0F3TA said

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@sear

thank you Sear, you bought up a good topic. Whats with the constant downvoting on opinions in this site? i mean i can get behind downvoting a moron who uses terms like "M$" and "Sony Ponies" (stupid i know) but to downvote people because they have a diff opinion then you isn't what the "-" button is for... altho i disagree with Sear, i never downvoted him once because he actually had good points on how the story was a little plot holed. We need to grow up and accept that some of us like Guitar Hero over Rock Band, that people prefer Call of Duty over Battlefield and that we are all gamers playing games.

do this for a better Joystiq tomorrow
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:17PM RadiantViper said

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@LockeDaemonfire
Fair enough, and I do agree completely with you. I just think this instance is a good example of trolling, going into an article about a game just to insult another game in the series.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:18PM LockeDaemonfire said

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@Hank Hill

Consistency and realism are two different things... Having each of those things makes it unrealistic, but not inconsistent. Although I must admit that it's probably more difficult to maintain consistency with all of that in there.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:20PM LockeDaemonfire said

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@Captain Planet Planeteer Power

"Fallout 3 was a decently fun game [snip]"
Can I has a baby seal? :P
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:21PM PR0F3TA said

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@Captain Planet Planeteer Power

capt'n what with your constant bashing of people, first telling him to go get a new screen name because of one downvote and now to hang himself?? in every article i always see you use lines like this to get upvoted. if you ask me, you're the real troll. if you don't have anything good to say why even say anything at all.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:22PM eimajtl said

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@sear

I loved Fallout 3, not for the story, but for the overall game itself - the exploration, the world, the atmosphere. It was all pretty awesome in my book... except for the silly main story.


I have to agree with you on the whole opinion thing to. It's moronic that people can't see past their opinion and realize that what they think IS NOT fact. I made a negative comment about WoW on this site one time... holy cow, people freaked out about it. It is incredibly sad that people are so close minded.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:24PM BillyZ said

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@PR0F3TA

Loving Fallout doesn't make you look like a self-centered douche bag. It makes you look like an eager fan. I too played Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, and even FoBoS on the PS2 (gawd that was an awful game). I'm almost more excited for New Vegas than I was for 3.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:27PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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@PR0F3TA

Whoa whoa whoa there sweetie...

I'm going to give you the opportunity to take back that comment before I explain to you everything that is wrong with it.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 12:38PM GewurztraminerX said

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@Hank Hill
Indeed. Fictional science is fictional.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 1:26PM Kid Icarus said

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@sear

whoa. Decaf dude, decaf.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 1:50PM MrAlex said

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@sear

Sorry to add to this already massive thread but:

Why would you install a water purifier at the basin of a river? Wouldn't you want to install it upriver?

They housed it in the jefferson building because it had the right facilities, space and protection, it is also very close the BoS's base so they can get support quickly.

Why were Super Mutants introduced to the story and then never explained?

Because you are expected to go into the game knowing a little bit about the series past, also there is a fair bit of explanation regarding these specific muties loitering about the wasteland.

Why is your father so stupid that he doesn't realise water can be purified through simple filtration?

I didn't realise filters removed high doses of radiation.

Why does your father send you on a mad quest to find some ancient magic technology (whose purpose is conveniently retconned from Fallout 2) in order to make his giant purifier work, even though he mentions the technology works on a small scale and thus could be easily distributed throughout the Wasteland?

Agreed on this point, but you are nitpicking.

Why haven't the people of the Wasteland developed agriculture, despite people having done it 100 years earlier on the West Coast in Fallout 1?

Yes, what with all the greenery that is so president in the wasteland, and the fact that people would have no problem protecting their crops.

Why are there towns of 2 people who would never logically be able to survive on their own?

Towns of two people? Didn't see any other than Girdershade, which is certainly not a town and the guy had some connections in the wasteland.

Why is there a town built around an undetonated atomic bomb, which apparently NOBODY has ever attempted to disarm in 200 years?

Explained very explicitly in game.

Why does Three Dog have a radio station dedicated solely to reporting on the player character?

You are probably the most interesting thing about the wasteland, why wouldn't he talk about you as his main thing, although I agree that it got repetitive.

Why did nobody make music past 1950 or so? Fallout takes place in an alternate 1950s continuity, where culture and technology went in a direction opposite to our own, but I don't see why that would have halted development.

Very much agreed with this.

How does the town of Little Lamplight survive? Do the children have sex with each other or something?

Or do the people of Big Town send their children there?

Why can't I just shoot those kids, or give them a spanking, rather than be forced into one of the worst instances of railroading in gaming history?

Not Bethesda's fault, were forced into this.

Why are Talon Company and the Super Mutants fighting over the Capitol Building despite having no apparent motivation?

No idea, maybe they should have given you some clues but it's not like it's just some arbitrary place.

Why does Moira Brown instantly turn into a ghoul despite it being stated canonically plenty of times that it is a result of slow and constant exposure to large amounts of radiation and FEV?

Agreed this was stupid.

Why is it that almost all buildings in the game are still stocked with pre-war goods, weapons, food, etc. despite it being 200 years after the bombs fell? That stuff would all be gone after 15, if that.

Most of the places have been abandoned for almost as long, especially places well guarded with robots.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 1:54PM finnith said

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@Captain Planet Planeteer Power

You're right, he wasn't that polite, but you could have at least addressed the points he made, which are, for the most part, correct.

Fallout 3 is a good game, but its an inconsistent one, which is probably caused by the enormity of the thing. Stuff like Little Lamplight and Megaton work against other parts of the game, like the Pitt, or most of downtown DC. It's as if there were completely different teams working on different regions of the game world. It's also pretty easy to break, even more so if you use the Chinese Stealth Suit from Operation Anchorage.

It's still sad that he was downvoted for criticizing Fallout 3, though. He could have been less of a whiner afterward though. He's certainly not a troll because you can actually quantify most of his arguments.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 2:16PM Vuvuzelas said

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@jozanovic bland environments
terrible combat (both using VATS and not using it)
mediocre story
far from flawless
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 2:33PM OnToGloryReturns said

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@sear

"traits," which are returning to the series after being absent in Fallout 3.

reading comprehension ftw
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 2:52PM McDude said

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@Faceless Troll Yeah, the comment system here kinda sucks, and it's prone to bias. I definitely like it better than Kotaku's star system. At least everyone gets a chance to be heard before being downvoted into oblivion.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2010 3:35PM kentuckyfried said

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@sear

Yeah, there are some nonsensical things, but fallout 3 was never meant to bra hyper-realistic post-apocalyptic simulator. Perhaps the first 2 games were slightly closer, but I can't imagine by much. And certainly not enough to make the game unplayable.

Agree on little lamplight...that segment kills the momentum of the main storyline considerably.
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