EA won't bow to Medal of Honor controversy
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Allow gamers to take up the mantle of the Taliban in your game and you're bound to receive some ire. EA is learning all about that with Medal of Honor, as the mainstream media and the British government have vocalized concerns. British Defence Secretary Liam Fox has actually called for a countrywide ban of the game outright, stating that it's "shocking that someone would think it acceptable to recreate the acts of the Taliban against British soldiers," even though you don't actually kill any British troops in the game. Still, EA Games president Frank Gibeau isn't sweating the bad press.
"We respect the media's views," Gibeau replied, "but at the same time [these reports] don't compromise our creative vision and what we want to do. The development teams care very much about what they're building, and of course a bit of criticism from the media causes some to get demoralised, but at the end of the day we're proud of what we're doing." Gibeau even compared the flak to the same types of reports that went on about Modern Warfare 2's infamous airport sequence -- one of many comparisons the two games have received.
Gibeau is of the mind that the collaboration between EA and the US Military and Congressional Medal of Honor Society is what will win people over in the end, not just because of the accurate depiction of the ongoing conflict, but because it has allowed EA to produce "the best story for the game." Plus, we all know the world has a natural affinity for whiskered gentlemen -- just look at the popularity of Grizzly Adams!
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"We respect the media's views," Gibeau replied, "but at the same time [these reports] don't compromise our creative vision and what we want to do. The development teams care very much about what they're building, and of course a bit of criticism from the media causes some to get demoralised, but at the end of the day we're proud of what we're doing." Gibeau even compared the flak to the same types of reports that went on about Modern Warfare 2's infamous airport sequence -- one of many comparisons the two games have received.
Gibeau is of the mind that the collaboration between EA and the US Military and Congressional Medal of Honor Society is what will win people over in the end, not just because of the accurate depiction of the ongoing conflict, but because it has allowed EA to produce "the best story for the game." Plus, we all know the world has a natural affinity for whiskered gentlemen -- just look at the popularity of Grizzly Adams!
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Reader Comments (65)
Posted: Aug 25th 2010 9:27AM johndrinkwater said
@Raiki
Alas, not true - the Americans spell it differently, just look up the history of Webster.
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Alas, not true - the Americans spell it differently, just look up the history of Webster.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:09PM Colostomeboy said
RANT TIME!
why would six days in Fallujah get cancelled but not medal of honor?
Brand recognition and it pisses me off. Tier 1 operators, battle in Afghanistan, the Taliban. There is so much in this game that is called the same thing, that it is a lie to say this game is based on a fictional war.
Rant time over...
p.s. at least Modern warfare had the good idea of not specifically stating these things in the game.
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why would six days in Fallujah get cancelled but not medal of honor?
Brand recognition and it pisses me off. Tier 1 operators, battle in Afghanistan, the Taliban. There is so much in this game that is called the same thing, that it is a lie to say this game is based on a fictional war.
Rant time over...
p.s. at least Modern warfare had the good idea of not specifically stating these things in the game.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:17PM Lerkero said
@Colostomeboy
EA, DICE, and EA LA have a lot more money than the Six Days in Fallujah developers did. When controversy struck those guys were instantly dropped by Konami, but EA has the finances to withstand controversy.
Medal of Honor is also not named directly after a controversial and questionable battle. (Unlike Black Hawk down where the Americans were deemed to be on the good side).
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EA, DICE, and EA LA have a lot more money than the Six Days in Fallujah developers did. When controversy struck those guys were instantly dropped by Konami, but EA has the finances to withstand controversy.
Medal of Honor is also not named directly after a controversial and questionable battle. (Unlike Black Hawk down where the Americans were deemed to be on the good side).
Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:18AM awesome indeed said
@Colostomeboy
Which is the exact reason MW2 SUCKED... it lacked any realism or believability. Nothing more than a cartoon writer's storyline and some decent graphics.
The fact that the British are complaining about this shows their level of censorship. This stuff happens in real life and everyone needs to grow up and deal with it. Period.
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Which is the exact reason MW2 SUCKED... it lacked any realism or believability. Nothing more than a cartoon writer's storyline and some decent graphics.
The fact that the British are complaining about this shows their level of censorship. This stuff happens in real life and everyone needs to grow up and deal with it. Period.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:10PM Voshempa said
There are always two sides to every story. Why should a videogame (of all things) be forced to ignore this? Even if there is no story to tell, you could break this down to side "A" and side "B". Why would there be a limit in only letting side "A" be usable? Also, a department store catalog has a bra section. No problem. Little Timmy is pleasuring himself to that very section. Does this make that catalog porn? No, which is why playing as the "other side" shouldn't be a big deal. Sensitivity, however, cannot be scaled for all people involved in the matter.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:10PM Bearcut said
OK this is just an insult to all of our American GI's who are currently fighting the Taliban. I understand the need for lack of censorship in art/media but at the same time there is a thing such as class. The producers of this game are showing their lack of class in their way of handling this situation.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:12PM edofyingfilms said
@Bearcut Telling charlatan politicians to stick it where the sun don't shine is ALWAYS classy.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 2:12AM King Johngie the Fourth said
@Bearcut
Who said anything about GTA IV?
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Who said anything about GTA IV?
Posted: Aug 25th 2010 10:39AM Toop said
@arkweld
The comparison between being the Taliban and being Nazis was the first one that popped into my head, but Arkweld's is even better. There are many games where you are put into the shoes of criminals to mow down police officers. "Currently fighting" is probably a common argument since time seems to grant leeway in these situations, but the police are always fighting to protect their countrymen.
A case can be made that those situations where you fight police officers are done for story purposes, such as portraying the life of a mobster. As long as other situations (No Russian, being a Nazi or the Taliban) are done for narrative purposes as well, they should not be looked upon as greater evils.
Proper narrative purpose is a thin line to walk though. I think MW2 did it properly, but I hope MoH bring a more interesting situation to the table.
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The comparison between being the Taliban and being Nazis was the first one that popped into my head, but Arkweld's is even better. There are many games where you are put into the shoes of criminals to mow down police officers. "Currently fighting" is probably a common argument since time seems to grant leeway in these situations, but the police are always fighting to protect their countrymen.
A case can be made that those situations where you fight police officers are done for story purposes, such as portraying the life of a mobster. As long as other situations (No Russian, being a Nazi or the Taliban) are done for narrative purposes as well, they should not be looked upon as greater evils.
Proper narrative purpose is a thin line to walk though. I think MW2 did it properly, but I hope MoH bring a more interesting situation to the table.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:12PM Grey said
@honkyjesuseternal
Seriously, I want to shoot some Americans and Brits, instead of the Russians,Germans, and Chinese all the time. I think it would be awesome to see how the war is like through their point of view. Somebody needs to make a movie or video game like this.
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Seriously, I want to shoot some Americans and Brits, instead of the Russians,Germans, and Chinese all the time. I think it would be awesome to see how the war is like through their point of view. Somebody needs to make a movie or video game like this.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:15PM HybridPara said
I'm glad EA doesn't give an s what the media is saying. It's showing to me that they're being more personal with their IPs now.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:16PM chromekreeper said
@AmericanAce
we here at joystiq dont say the numerical value of our post. were smart enough to figure out what position you are in the comments section. thanks, but no thanks.
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we here at joystiq dont say the numerical value of our post. were smart enough to figure out what position you are in the comments section. thanks, but no thanks.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:17PM Raiki said
@Grey
You shoot Americans in Modern Warfare 2's campaign. Only one I can really think of.
I feel that if there's a just reason to shooting the "home team", then fine, but if it's just for the sake of seeing what its like to mow down lots of Allies in the shoes of a Nazi, you can do that in multiplayer.
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You shoot Americans in Modern Warfare 2's campaign. Only one I can really think of.
I feel that if there's a just reason to shooting the "home team", then fine, but if it's just for the sake of seeing what its like to mow down lots of Allies in the shoes of a Nazi, you can do that in multiplayer.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:29PM Shawcross said
Who would really want to fight as a religious fueled terrorist? Whats next we get a game where we can detonate our suicide vests in a infidel daycares?
There really isn't anything you can't do in video games which makes them sweet but at the same time you need to just use common knowledge of what people want and don't want.
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There really isn't anything you can't do in video games which makes them sweet but at the same time you need to just use common knowledge of what people want and don't want.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:33PM AutomaticClutch said
@(Unverified) actually their country is defending themselves from the taliban...
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:36PM Grey said
@Raiki
I'm just saying I would like for a form of media to take on the side of the guys that are *evil*. Good and evil are just a subjective anyway. I want to be put in the shoes of the Taliban or a Nazi that believes that what he is doing is just. Not necessarily saying that I personally believe they are in the right, I just want a movie or video game to put me in the other side of the conflicts shoes and have a strong narrative. Something different for once.
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I'm just saying I would like for a form of media to take on the side of the guys that are *evil*. Good and evil are just a subjective anyway. I want to be put in the shoes of the Taliban or a Nazi that believes that what he is doing is just. Not necessarily saying that I personally believe they are in the right, I just want a movie or video game to put me in the other side of the conflicts shoes and have a strong narrative. Something different for once.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:58PM Raiki said
@Grey
It's possible, but not for World War II or modern-day wars due to controversy. For example, in WWII, both the Germans and Japanese were conducting heinous experiments on live human subjects. And even outside of that territory, the Japanese were especially brutal to captured soldiers. I would go as far as to say that death, or being put in concentration camps would be better than being captured when considering what the Japanese did to some people.
Maybe in a fictional story it would be fine, but I don't think many people would like to be in the shoes of a Nazi who believes what they're doing is right, and by genocide they're cleansing the world.
In Star Wars Battlefront II you get to play as both sides in a campaign, both the good and evil side. In a fictional case like that, I don't think there's a problem at all, but when you're on a historically evil side (aka the losers of the war), it just wouldn't work.
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It's possible, but not for World War II or modern-day wars due to controversy. For example, in WWII, both the Germans and Japanese were conducting heinous experiments on live human subjects. And even outside of that territory, the Japanese were especially brutal to captured soldiers. I would go as far as to say that death, or being put in concentration camps would be better than being captured when considering what the Japanese did to some people.
Maybe in a fictional story it would be fine, but I don't think many people would like to be in the shoes of a Nazi who believes what they're doing is right, and by genocide they're cleansing the world.
In Star Wars Battlefront II you get to play as both sides in a campaign, both the good and evil side. In a fictional case like that, I don't think there's a problem at all, but when you're on a historically evil side (aka the losers of the war), it just wouldn't work.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:02PM Erron Kelly said
America's Army was always set up so that no matter what team you are on, the enemy team are Taliban/ insurgents. So, looking at it from an outside view; you are ALWAYS playing as the Taliban to the other team, just as they are always the Taliban to you.
I don't really see the difference between that and this. You are a floating gun, shootin' dudes.
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I don't really see the difference between that and this. You are a floating gun, shootin' dudes.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:07PM Erron Kelly said
And just to follow my own comment up:
Arguing the point of "It's bad because it's Taliban are shooting Americans'n shit" is stupid. It isn't like being on the 'bad guy' side will suddenly have religious/ anti-American propaganda pouring out of your speakers.
It's no different from BFBC2, playing 'X' versus USA. It's just a skin, and MAYBE different guns.
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Arguing the point of "It's bad because it's Taliban are shooting Americans'n shit" is stupid. It isn't like being on the 'bad guy' side will suddenly have religious/ anti-American propaganda pouring out of your speakers.
It's no different from BFBC2, playing 'X' versus USA. It's just a skin, and MAYBE different guns.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:15PM Resident Evil 6 Puppie Madness said
@honkyjesuseternal
Same here tired of playing as U.S russian Britians
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Same here tired of playing as U.S russian Britians
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:42PM Dr Perry Ulysses Cox said
@Cal
You say that as if it matters or absolves the Taliban of every shitty thing they've done. That's like blaming the French for any wrong that Americans do. Hey, dude, they funded them once upon a time. Get a relevant argument, please.
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You say that as if it matters or absolves the Taliban of every shitty thing they've done. That's like blaming the French for any wrong that Americans do. Hey, dude, they funded them once upon a time. Get a relevant argument, please.
Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:44PM cool8man said
Wow I would not play a game that asked me to play as the Taliban. If I bought a game that had this kind of content in it I'd bring it back to the store and demand my money back. If they didn't give me my money back I'd come back to the store with the local news camera crews. We'll see how many more games like this EA greenlights when Walmart and Best Buy refuses to sell the game.
EA has become a very desperate & pathetic company publishing crap like this.
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EA has become a very desperate & pathetic company publishing crap like this.
Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:51AM cool8man said
@Bearcut EA has been having very bad quarters. Financially they are not doing well. I've seen the business channels talking about EA and they are not happy with their performance.
You saw the marketing for Dante's Inferno trying to encourage boycotts from Christians. They've also put out controversial games like Army of Two. Now this is another lame attempt at trying to get media attention. EA is desperate for a big hit. Call of Duty is eating their lunch.
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You saw the marketing for Dante's Inferno trying to encourage boycotts from Christians. They've also put out controversial games like Army of Two. Now this is another lame attempt at trying to get media attention. EA is desperate for a big hit. Call of Duty is eating their lunch.
Posted: Aug 25th 2010 10:57AM Bearcut said
@cool8man
I'm just saying in terms of US Video Game publishers...or all of them for that matter, EA is definitely one of the ones doing better overall. They may be having bad quarters but hell, how many other producers/studios have been closed down over the last few years? I miss originality in my games... the only reason I am not interested in this new MOH remake is just...jeez....enough shooters. Thank god for downloadables. It seems to be the only place to find some difference these days.
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I'm just saying in terms of US Video Game publishers...or all of them for that matter, EA is definitely one of the ones doing better overall. They may be having bad quarters but hell, how many other producers/studios have been closed down over the last few years? I miss originality in my games... the only reason I am not interested in this new MOH remake is just...jeez....enough shooters. Thank god for downloadables. It seems to be the only place to find some difference these days.
Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:06AM canada said
@Grey i like your idea, i for one am tired of games being about america conquering every other damn country. its old. plus games like COD make people think that during WW2 the americans won the war single handedly. but you are right, nazis where told all the way from when they started school that what they where doing was right. the middle easterns believe that america is evil and technology is a threat to islam. show the game from that point of view.
as for britain trying to ban the game, i think that says allot about them joining the war, it makes it seem like they went unwillingly
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as for britain trying to ban the game, i think that says allot about them joining the war, it makes it seem like they went unwillingly
Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:45AM thefleepaint said
think we should wait to play the game before calling it immoral?
nah me neither
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nah me neither
Posted: Aug 25th 2010 1:14AM Leon Trotsky TDA said
It's REALLY sad that this is controversial at all. Seriously, people need to grow up. You're doing what you do in ANY other shooter, playing through a unique storyline and killing the enemy. Who cares what your character looks like, it's a video game...
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 1:16AM Milf Biggenson said
I agree with Coolman in that the only reason this ability exists in Medal of Honor is to get some extra media attention. If you were a fly on the wall over at EA, I bet you'd have heard something like this, "We need something like that airport level in MW2. We need to get people pissed, angry and saying the name of this game on every news show and every internet blog! I know, we'll allow people to play as the Taliban! Brilliant!" All I can say is "Meh. Whatever." If you're game is any good people will play it. But in a sea of FPS mediocrity, you better bring it EA.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 1:21AM ArtificeDrake formerly known as said
@chromekreeper
.........I'm REALLY hoping that you just missed the apostrophe and didn't proof read before you posted because, otherwise, that is a great response.
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.........I'm REALLY hoping that you just missed the apostrophe and didn't proof read before you posted because, otherwise, that is a great response.
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