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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:05PM Miketor said

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I have two questions for Mr. Fox. 1) Don't you have more important things to do? 2) Defence? Seriously?
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:15PM Raiki said

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@Miketor

The Brits spell it differently. Maybe next time you won't have to make an ass of yourself.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:18PM Miketor said

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@Raiki Sorry for making jokes. I know I'd be super offended if a British person made fun of me for spelling color the way I do.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:26PM Raiki said

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@Miketor

You weren't making fun of it. You were insulting the writer for a "typo".
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:30PM McWilly said

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@Raiki It's not a typo if it's spelt correctly
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 3:20AM Raiki said

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@McWilly

That's my point, that's why it was in quotation marks.

No one reads anymore.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 9:27AM johndrinkwater said

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@Raiki
Alas, not true - the Americans spell it differently, just look up the history of Webster.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:09PM Colostomeboy said

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RANT TIME!

why would six days in Fallujah get cancelled but not medal of honor?
Brand recognition and it pisses me off. Tier 1 operators, battle in Afghanistan, the Taliban. There is so much in this game that is called the same thing, that it is a lie to say this game is based on a fictional war.
Rant time over...
p.s. at least Modern warfare had the good idea of not specifically stating these things in the game.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:17PM Lerkero said

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@Colostomeboy
EA, DICE, and EA LA have a lot more money than the Six Days in Fallujah developers did. When controversy struck those guys were instantly dropped by Konami, but EA has the finances to withstand controversy.

Medal of Honor is also not named directly after a controversial and questionable battle. (Unlike Black Hawk down where the Americans were deemed to be on the good side).
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:18AM awesome indeed said

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@Colostomeboy

Which is the exact reason MW2 SUCKED... it lacked any realism or believability. Nothing more than a cartoon writer's storyline and some decent graphics.

The fact that the British are complaining about this shows their level of censorship. This stuff happens in real life and everyone needs to grow up and deal with it. Period.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:10PM Voshempa said

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There are always two sides to every story. Why should a videogame (of all things) be forced to ignore this? Even if there is no story to tell, you could break this down to side "A" and side "B". Why would there be a limit in only letting side "A" be usable? Also, a department store catalog has a bra section. No problem. Little Timmy is pleasuring himself to that very section. Does this make that catalog porn? No, which is why playing as the "other side" shouldn't be a big deal. Sensitivity, however, cannot be scaled for all people involved in the matter.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:10PM Bearcut said

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OK this is just an insult to all of our American GI's who are currently fighting the Taliban. I understand the need for lack of censorship in art/media but at the same time there is a thing such as class. The producers of this game are showing their lack of class in their way of handling this situation.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:12PM edofyingfilms said

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@Bearcut Telling charlatan politicians to stick it where the sun don't shine is ALWAYS classy.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:22PM Lerkero said

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@Bearcut
Because it's always classy to be the Americans killing everyone else?
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:10PM arkweld said

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@Bearcut

So it's okay to be a criminal blowing away cops in video games because the lives of police officers are not worth the same level of respect?
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:44AM Bearcut said

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@arkweld

For the record. I do not own GTA IV.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 2:12AM King Johngie the Fourth said

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@Bearcut

Who said anything about GTA IV?
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 10:39AM Toop said

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@arkweld

The comparison between being the Taliban and being Nazis was the first one that popped into my head, but Arkweld's is even better. There are many games where you are put into the shoes of criminals to mow down police officers. "Currently fighting" is probably a common argument since time seems to grant leeway in these situations, but the police are always fighting to protect their countrymen.

A case can be made that those situations where you fight police officers are done for story purposes, such as portraying the life of a mobster. As long as other situations (No Russian, being a Nazi or the Taliban) are done for narrative purposes as well, they should not be looked upon as greater evils.

Proper narrative purpose is a thin line to walk though. I think MW2 did it properly, but I hope MoH bring a more interesting situation to the table.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:10PM Miketor said

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@honkyjesuseternal Creepy.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:12PM Grey said

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@honkyjesuseternal

Seriously, I want to shoot some Americans and Brits, instead of the Russians,Germans, and Chinese all the time. I think it would be awesome to see how the war is like through their point of view. Somebody needs to make a movie or video game like this.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:13PM Miketor said

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@Grey Creepy.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:14PM azGRIMES said

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Good, I'm glad. Keep going with this game and don't let the media get you down. I'll buy this game. I want to support games like this.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:15PM HybridPara said

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I'm glad EA doesn't give an s what the media is saying. It's showing to me that they're being more personal with their IPs now.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:16PM Bearcut said

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Actually yeah. It kind of is. Because they are just...

BIG FAT PHONIES>
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:16PM chromekreeper said

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@AmericanAce
we here at joystiq dont say the numerical value of our post. were smart enough to figure out what position you are in the comments section. thanks, but no thanks.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:17PM Raiki said

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@Grey

You shoot Americans in Modern Warfare 2's campaign. Only one I can really think of.

I feel that if there's a just reason to shooting the "home team", then fine, but if it's just for the sake of seeing what its like to mow down lots of Allies in the shoes of a Nazi, you can do that in multiplayer.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:19PM MLC said

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This is entertainment. Nothing personal.

It's just a game, people. Just a game.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:20PM PR0F3TA said

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EA intentionally did this to hype the game up in much of the way the No Russian level in MW2 did.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:29PM Shawcross said

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Who would really want to fight as a religious fueled terrorist? Whats next we get a game where we can detonate our suicide vests in a infidel daycares?

There really isn't anything you can't do in video games which makes them sweet but at the same time you need to just use common knowledge of what people want and don't want.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:33PM AutomaticClutch said

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@(Unverified) actually their country is defending themselves from the taliban...
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:36PM Grey said

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@Raiki

I'm just saying I would like for a form of media to take on the side of the guys that are *evil*. Good and evil are just a subjective anyway. I want to be put in the shoes of the Taliban or a Nazi that believes that what he is doing is just. Not necessarily saying that I personally believe they are in the right, I just want a movie or video game to put me in the other side of the conflicts shoes and have a strong narrative. Something different for once.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 10:58PM Raiki said

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@Grey

It's possible, but not for World War II or modern-day wars due to controversy. For example, in WWII, both the Germans and Japanese were conducting heinous experiments on live human subjects. And even outside of that territory, the Japanese were especially brutal to captured soldiers. I would go as far as to say that death, or being put in concentration camps would be better than being captured when considering what the Japanese did to some people.

Maybe in a fictional story it would be fine, but I don't think many people would like to be in the shoes of a Nazi who believes what they're doing is right, and by genocide they're cleansing the world.

In Star Wars Battlefront II you get to play as both sides in a campaign, both the good and evil side. In a fictional case like that, I don't think there's a problem at all, but when you're on a historically evil side (aka the losers of the war), it just wouldn't work.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:02PM Erron Kelly said

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America's Army was always set up so that no matter what team you are on, the enemy team are Taliban/ insurgents. So, looking at it from an outside view; you are ALWAYS playing as the Taliban to the other team, just as they are always the Taliban to you.

I don't really see the difference between that and this. You are a floating gun, shootin' dudes.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:07PM Erron Kelly said

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And just to follow my own comment up:

Arguing the point of "It's bad because it's Taliban are shooting Americans'n shit" is stupid. It isn't like being on the 'bad guy' side will suddenly have religious/ anti-American propaganda pouring out of your speakers.

It's no different from BFBC2, playing 'X' versus USA. It's just a skin, and MAYBE different guns.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:15PM Resident Evil 6 Puppie Madness said

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@honkyjesuseternal
Same here tired of playing as U.S russian Britians
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:30PM Cal said

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@AutomaticClutch
The same Taliban the US previously funded...
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:31PM Jacksy said

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"controversy" ..the new free publicity
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:35PM Cafecito said

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Now I feel like killing some brits.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:42PM Dr Perry Ulysses Cox said

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@Cal
You say that as if it matters or absolves the Taliban of every shitty thing they've done. That's like blaming the French for any wrong that Americans do. Hey, dude, they funded them once upon a time. Get a relevant argument, please.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2010 11:44PM cool8man said

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Wow I would not play a game that asked me to play as the Taliban. If I bought a game that had this kind of content in it I'd bring it back to the store and demand my money back. If they didn't give me my money back I'd come back to the store with the local news camera crews. We'll see how many more games like this EA greenlights when Walmart and Best Buy refuses to sell the game.

EA has become a very desperate & pathetic company publishing crap like this.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:44AM wapple73 said

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@cool8man
Then don't. Problem solved.It's a game if you don't like it don't play it. It's pretty damn simple.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:45AM Bearcut said

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@cool8man

Dude. EA is far from desperate.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:51AM cool8man said

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@Bearcut EA has been having very bad quarters. Financially they are not doing well. I've seen the business channels talking about EA and they are not happy with their performance.

You saw the marketing for Dante's Inferno trying to encourage boycotts from Christians. They've also put out controversial games like Army of Two. Now this is another lame attempt at trying to get media attention. EA is desperate for a big hit. Call of Duty is eating their lunch.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 10:57AM Bearcut said

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@cool8man

I'm just saying in terms of US Video Game publishers...or all of them for that matter, EA is definitely one of the ones doing better overall. They may be having bad quarters but hell, how many other producers/studios have been closed down over the last few years? I miss originality in my games... the only reason I am not interested in this new MOH remake is just...jeez....enough shooters. Thank god for downloadables. It seems to be the only place to find some difference these days.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:06AM canada said

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@Grey i like your idea, i for one am tired of games being about america conquering every other damn country. its old. plus games like COD make people think that during WW2 the americans won the war single handedly. but you are right, nazis where told all the way from when they started school that what they where doing was right. the middle easterns believe that america is evil and technology is a threat to islam. show the game from that point of view.

as for britain trying to ban the game, i think that says allot about them joining the war, it makes it seem like they went unwillingly
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:19AM Ryuk said

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HATAS GONNA HATE
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 12:45AM thefleepaint said

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think we should wait to play the game before calling it immoral?

nah me neither
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 1:14AM Leon Trotsky TDA said

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It's REALLY sad that this is controversial at all. Seriously, people need to grow up. You're doing what you do in ANY other shooter, playing through a unique storyline and killing the enemy. Who cares what your character looks like, it's a video game...
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 1:16AM Milf Biggenson said

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I agree with Coolman in that the only reason this ability exists in Medal of Honor is to get some extra media attention. If you were a fly on the wall over at EA, I bet you'd have heard something like this, "We need something like that airport level in MW2. We need to get people pissed, angry and saying the name of this game on every news show and every internet blog! I know, we'll allow people to play as the Taliban! Brilliant!" All I can say is "Meh. Whatever." If you're game is any good people will play it. But in a sea of FPS mediocrity, you better bring it EA.
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Posted: Aug 25th 2010 1:21AM ArtificeDrake formerly known as said

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@chromekreeper

.........I'm REALLY hoping that you just missed the apostrophe and didn't proof read before you posted because, otherwise, that is a great response.
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