Yamauchi: Gran Turismo 5 has optional 10GB install

@RKN The 360 can now use thumbdrives, up to 16 GB a piece and up to two of them

@(Unverified)

Right, but is that still even a good deal? 16 GB flash drives are expensive, it would be better to just get a HDD from the start if you're going to buy an Xbox because that's the entire scam of the arcade version.

True stories. Though its hardly as bad as you make out, If you don't support the proprietary HDDs, don't buy them from a store.

I got my white 250GB HDD new from eBay at £43 delivered, by comparison a regular 250 GB HDD would cost around £30. It's bad, but its not terrible.

@Raiki

Amazon has a 16 GB Flash drive for 23 dollars for Deal of the Day. They really aren't that expensive.

@Za23

Okay let's see, I can get a 1 TB hard drive (3.5") for $75 ($60 after rebate, but let's ignore that). Or I can get a 16 GB flash drive for $23 on a "DEAL OF THE DAY".

$0.075/GB (worst case, $0.06 best case) vs. $1.44/GB (best case).

The reason I used a 3.5" drive for comparison is because you can still use one as an external hard drive with just a converter. For a 2.5 inch drive that you'd actually directly hook in (had MS allowed it), it's like $50 for 500GB, so something like $0.10/GB.

Anyway, just because you can afford it doesn't make it cheap. I could spend $1000 on a hamburger if I were rich, but that doesn't make it cheap if McDonalds is still selling them for a dollar.

@Raiki

True, but the nice thing about the 360 option is that you can move it across multiple consoles. It's really annoying to have to copy and transfer all your save data through some annoying process when you want to continue playing your game on a PS3 in the other room.

@Vcize

Whoa dude, you have a console in every room?

...I only have one. :(

You could just move the console itself though. :P

@RKN
@Vcize

Is taking the 20 seconds to copy a save file from the PS3 to a USB drive that annoying? The amount of copy protected save files are very few, however it is certainly annoying when a publisher/developer decides to "protect" their save data.

@golfs4panzys

Yeah like assassin's creed... I had to delay my gaming for a month when I went to my parents house (they have a PS3 for blu-ray). I was almost finishing the game before my trip, and when I tried to copy the game it was protected! Damn... that was a whole month thinking about ezio... I almost started the game all over again, but didn't have the pacience to collect everything again...

@Vcize The ps3 encrypts the drive..

Each ps3 has a unique hardware encryption key (from what I understand) and it encrypts the drive based on that key so the internal hard drive will only ever work for that console.. (Fat lot of good that is considering the new usb jig crack, but its been uncrackable for nearly 4 years now which is pretty amazing for a games console still )

On the plus side though you can just link a crossover between 2 ps3s and copy everything across between them and they both always will have a drive, so both of them can be used at the same time and you can game share with up to 3 different ps3s I think as your PSN account can be linked to 3 different ps3s.

On the ps3 you can also connect a 2TB external drive if you want and copy across your saves your music etc and just plug it in.. You obviously cant copy actual games across or encrypted saves, but there is nothing stopping you from duplicating drives using a crossover cable between the 2 ps3s..

Its a design philosophy I personally prefer the ps3 method as your own files your pictures, films, music etc remain independant of the games console and can be connected to any device you want or to any ps3.. The reason I say this is in Europe we have had PlayTV for a couple of years now at least and I have recorded a crazy amount of tv shows using it and I move them across onto a larger external drive and free up my console for games and at the same time can play the mpeg streams on my computer if I want to, really the best of both worlds.

Can you game share on the 360 ? Does the 360 allow you to link your gold account to multiple 360s and allow you to download your games collection to them? Sorry not sure how the 360 equivalent works.

@(Unverified) OOOUUUUUU!!!!! AAAWWWWW!!!

@RKN Yeah, I just got a 340 GB HD for my PS3 off of amazon for like $40 dollars.

@RKN

Of course, 360 fanboys will say that you can mod any hard drive to fit into the casing, but to me, if you have to go through the hassle, the system's already broken.

@Fallow Damn it my 80 GB is almost full, good thing I can buy a 320 GB hd for $45. This is part of the reason I give more love to my PS3, I can get a cheap hd and not have to pay to play online.

@ItsameMatt03

Come on man get real the Move, Kinect and WiiMote suck ass for adding motion sensing to racing.. Simply because racing has had motion sensing forever its called a wheel and pedals..

If you got money to burn check this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epCFxnkkaMM

or this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E0nbAeG5vA

and this review:

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-hardware-reviews/3.html

If you want to feel like your driving a real car this is your best bet, The Logitech G27. Not Kinect sorry and this is only PC and PS3 compatible and will work with GT5, the videos above is with GT5 Prologue, so no doubt the GT5 controls with this will be tight..

This is how you drive , not with your hands held out pretending to hold a steering wheel.

@McDuckScrooged theres also http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=250 for ps3/360 and pc

@todzilla
I think that "Griff" was more concerned with being a journalist than a babysitter.

@todzilla
Yo Griff make me a cheezburgah

@Osnaz
Griff has been busting his ass lately! Almost every post I checked out this weekend was from him.

That cheeseburger does sound good, though...

@npa189 I've had the 80gb w/ bc for like 3 yes now an only used 15gigs I mean what r u people saving. What a wasteful way to look at how about people delete those old games they don't play anymore that required an install

@Hawkz900

we have a winner, ladies and gentlemen. best purchase anyone could ever make for their PS3.

@Hawkz900 Yup same here.

@Hawkz900 yeah i did the same thing a while back! one of the best investments ive ever made! :-D

@mu93n

The only reason why it's a good investment because basically all games have a mandatory install & hog up HDD space when it should be optional in the first place. I don't want to wait to play my games, I'd rather pop in the disc, play it & if I want to, install it later. It shouldn't be up to the develpoer.

@Hawkz900
Actually the best purchase I made for my PS3 was definetly a USB keyboard

But yea, my 320gb HDD comes next =P

@Dropeti Just ordered a 500gb hard-drive after seeing this discussion. I've been thinking about buying one for weeks, but this thread pushed me over the edge.

Finally, I can stop deleting game data and demos!

@Hank Hill

Yeah I just bought a 500GB HDD, actually just after I saw this article. I'm always finding space and deleting demos since I have a 60GB currently.

@Prboi

Really? I got down voted? For what? Talking about one of PS3 flaws? Oh no, I can't talk about that, the PS3 is perfect. I have a PS3 & I'm pissed about having to spend money for a bigger hardrive when I should be fine with the one I have

@Prboi

Oh yes, This is very mature. Nobody feels like me? Nobody thinks they shouldn't have to rely on 3rd party hard drives when Sony should just stop having mandatory installs?

@Prboi its not a mandatory install ? Its an optional 10GB install..

What was the last game you played that needed a mandatory install ? Sure the 1st gen games had that issue but none of the recent games have required an install that I can remember..

@Prboi

what are you living in 2006, you forgot to mention 'SONY HAZ NO GAMEZZZZ' ... back to 2010, Last game i bought that needed an install was GTA: BoGT and it was only for 3 gigs. Took 5 minutes. Last game before that i needed to install something was Fallout 3, that game is 2 years old. so spare me your 2006 bullsh!t, ive heard it all before.

@Prboi

You're probably getting down voted for exaggerating the situation. Most games don't have installs at all.

@Vidikron

Well I get annoyed when I get down voted yet nobody has the balls to argue with me. Last time I got down voted was because I said that MW2 is a faster paced game compared to MOH & BFBC2 simply because it's framerate is faster yet I got down voted without anybody trying to argue & proove me wrong. Anoother time was because I said I think Epic Mickey should be on 360 & PS3 s well as the Wii.

@Prboi

Oh baw harder.

Downvoting is a system that is meant to show people's opinions. You didn't get downvoted for being incorrect, you got downvoted because people didn't agree with you.

Some people don't want to argue, so they just hit downvote and continue to scroll. I don't agree with your opinion about installs, seeing as they are almost all optional now. Even more, it speeds up the game significantly from what I've seen. I'll be installing the full 10 gigs on my PS3, it's definitely worth it; this game has been on my wishlist for ages now.

@ForwardTwo

So if I say "PS3 FTW 360 sucks ass", I won't get downvoted, but if I say "On paper, the PS3 is better than the 360" then I will?

@Prboi

On PS3 articles, saying anything negative about the PS3 gets you downvoted. Vice versa on 360 articles.

Welcome to the human race.

@Prboi

Seriously dude if you worry about something so trivial as being downvoted.

You gonna lose your hair pretty quick (unless it's already happened)

@McDuckScrooged

To be fair, it's not just most 1st gen games. Unless I'm missing something here, both Split/Second and Bioshock 2 required a nice chunk of space each before I could play them, and that's just off the top of my head.

@Prboi

For the record, Modern Warfare 2 has more frames per second. It's not faster, it just has more frames per second than Battlefield and Medal of Honor.

@gordogg24p I installed mine, only had enough room for 1 FF game & a few saves then.. it didn't have the feel of GT1 or 2 that I remember.. It was the rotating shop that killed it for me