Edwin and Enoch: El Shaddai's official jeans

@thesawyerfamily

A pitchfork. Big ups.

@thesawyerfamily

I happy to see you.

*wink*

@Captain Planet Planeteer Power

So happy in fact, I didn't type "I'm".

*dims lights*

@MICHAEL ATKINSON
This devil wears nada

@kukkurovaca

Considering this was already discussed in the last post, I'm really surprised they chose to use the phrase "the Bible's Book of Enoch." I do applaud you for saying a little bit more on the matter, though. I wasn't aware there was an actual word to describe what this is considered. Kudos!

@kukkurovaca

When I pointed this out on the last thread, I was roundly shouted at because, after all, its ridiculous to expect people in western society to know basic things about western society.

But yeah, interesting book indeed. It isn't so trippy if you understand the mindset of ancient Jewish apocalypse, but then, not many do :)

@(Unverified)

Possibly Filipino.

@Captain Planet Planeteer Power
It would read as Luciper if it was Filipino. We have a P and F syndrome (some of us interchange the pronunciation of the two), it's the Japanese who gets their R's into L's.

The more you know! :D

@addman360
Well, if they've managed to add a twist to the original story rather than just leaving it untouched, I'd say that's very much a good thing. I'd never heard of Enoch before the press for this game, but it seems like an interesting story. As for the devil, there are many interesting ways to view his role in the Abrahamic belief systems. Consider that even Jesus ran around with the devil for a little bit, and not entirely to his detriment, if I understand that story correctly.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but my main point is if the game makes you wonder why pious Enoch is hangin' with Satan, it's probably doing a good job!

@addman360

Sounds like you're thinking about the story of Enoch in the bible. The Book of Enoch, which is not part of the bible (see comments above), contains some of the earlier stories of fallen angels (the "watchers" -- think Ben Affleck in Dogma), which are later folded into the overall mythology of the devil in Judeo-Christian culture.

Remember, in the old testament, "satan" is more a job title (referring to a sort of prosecuting angel) or a class of beings than a specific entity. This role was elaborated and expanded (attributing some of god's acts to it/them) in some books composed around the same time as the Book of Enoch, and the (separate) idea espoused in Enoch that some angels had fallen and were thus acting against the interests of god was also gaining popularity.

In both cases, this seems to be a function of people growing uncomfortable with the idea of the god of the bible doing some of the really harsh things that are depicted there -- so folks were looking for a heavenly source for evil that was separate from the god they worshiped. These ideas took hold most strongly in Christian circles, although there was a great deal of controversy for quite a long time within Christianity over them. (Have you ever looked at a gnostic creation myth?)

Of course, that all being said, we're talking about a Japanese video game interpretation of the Book of Enoch, so it's going to bear at most a tangential relationship to the source material. I mean, have you ever seen some of the things that happen to religious literature when it gets turned into anime? : )