Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter recently shared with us his insight on yesterday's pricing and release date announcement for the Nintendo 3DS. He predicts that the 25,000 yen ($299) price point for the Japanese launch of the handheld will depreciate somewhat as it travels to Western markets, arriving in the U.S. for $250, Europe for €250 and the U.K. for £200. And although Nintendo of America CEO Reggie Fils-Aime stated the 3DS would "launch in all of our major markets by March 31, 2011," Pachter foresees an even later arrival in the West.
"Looking at how Nintendo does things," Pachter said, "if you're launching February 26 in Japan, and their earnings reports say before the end of the fiscal year in U.S. and Europe -- is there any prayer, even a 1 percent chance that they'll launch a week later in the U.S., March 5? No freaking way. It's not even remotely possible they're launching first half of March. I'm betting it gets delayed until April in Europe and U.S.."
Some analysts have balked at the fairly high Japanese launch price of the 3DS. Though Pachter admits the launch price is "higher than what's customary" for the handheld market, he said the market will bear the toll -- a lesson hard learned by Nintendo when it launched its latest home console.
"They screwed up on the Wii. It was sold out for two full years! You just couldn't get one," Pachter said. "What was the point? They should have sold it for $300 at launch, and made another $50 for every Wii sold during that period. It sold so competitively in the first few weeks that it was going for $1,000 on eBay -- and they absolutely don't want to see the 3DS on eBay."
"I'm vilified in the gaming community for saying these companies are in it to make money," Pachter added, "but I think they should charge as much as the market will bear. That's just not what most companies do -- we've seen what happens when you price your hardware too high, like Sony did with the PS3 when it launched, or too low like Nintendo did with the Wii. I don't know a gamer that I've talked to who doesn't want one. I know people who havent played a handheld in forever -- I'm talking guys who play Halo and Call of Duty 24/7 and nothing else -- and they all want one. I think Nintendo will charge $250 and people will pay it."
Of course, the 3DS itself might not be the only thing with a higher price than what consumers are used to paying, Pachter explained.
"I think they're gonna try to increase software price," Pachter said. "Look at the price of Nintendo first-party games on the DS, they all launch at $34.99 or $39.99, well above the standard $29.99 software price point. I think they'll try [the standard price] at $34.99. Who knows if they'll get it, but if the 3DS sells at $250, they'll know they've already got a wealthy consumer."
"Go back and do your history, and listen to [EA CEO John] Riccitiello and [Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby] Kotick talk during the last hardware cycle about PS2 prices," Pachter said. "They said software prices have to match hardware prices. When the price of the hardware went down, so did the games. On the other hand, if the hardware's expensive, the games will be more expensive. "
Pachter also commented on the supply restraints responsible for the 3DS' later-than-expected Japanese launch, saying the blame for the limitations probably can't be laid on Nintendo.
"I think the restraint is not theirs. It's not the plastic, or the D-pad or buttons they're short on. It's the new microprocessor or 3D camera or the screen," Pachter said. "If they're having trouble getting enough of the screens -- they're likely sourcing the screens in Japan, and they can't say their partner sucks and isn't getting them enough of the screens. I don't know what else it could be. It's not that every assembly plant is occupied -- we're still in a recession. The plastics and the other compliments are commodities. The microprocessor's new, but it's fairly easy to fabricate, and it can't be more complex than the microprocessor in most smartphones."
We've contacted Nintendo for a comment on Pachter's remarks.
Reader Comments (47)
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 1:50AM ArchiGamer said
@ArchiGamer
Also, WHERE is this Joystiq, I find myself magically on this post and can't honestly find it anywhere else on the site.
What magic is this?
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Also, WHERE is this Joystiq, I find myself magically on this post and can't honestly find it anywhere else on the site.
What magic is this?
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 10:20AM sonicspike41 said
@ArchiGamer
They have this cool feature that lets them create an entire story and apparently auto-post it at a certain time. This sometimes results in a story appearing on the front page briefly before the scheduled post time.
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They have this cool feature that lets them create an entire story and apparently auto-post it at a certain time. This sometimes results in a story appearing on the front page briefly before the scheduled post time.
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 9:58AM InfinitiProject said
I just want to strangle this guy. When has he ever been right in anything he so-call "analyzes"?
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Posted: Sep 30th 2010 10:26AM GuitarHero666 said
@InfinitiProject
This guy said and I quote:
"Sent to die. I think Borderlands is the definition of a game that should have had it’s own window and not be up against all this stuff," explains the silver-tongued fox. "It’s absolutely the same audience. I don’t think it’s as much an RPG as they would like us to believe. If it’s an RPG, Dragon Age is going to kick its butt; and if it’s a shooter, Call of Duty or something else is going to kick its butt."
http://www.destructoid.com/pachter-borderlands-has-been-sent-to-die--152425.phtml
Borderlands has 4 DLC expansions and has sold over 3 million copies.
Now that's a sweet death if I ever saw one.
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This guy said and I quote:
"Sent to die. I think Borderlands is the definition of a game that should have had it’s own window and not be up against all this stuff," explains the silver-tongued fox. "It’s absolutely the same audience. I don’t think it’s as much an RPG as they would like us to believe. If it’s an RPG, Dragon Age is going to kick its butt; and if it’s a shooter, Call of Duty or something else is going to kick its butt."
http://www.destructoid.com/pachter-borderlands-has-been-sent-to-die--152425.phtml
Borderlands has 4 DLC expansions and has sold over 3 million copies.
Now that's a sweet death if I ever saw one.
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 10:34AM superdarrin said
@InfinitiProject I can't recall him ever being right.
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Posted: Sep 30th 2010 10:48AM HTCEVO said
@Hawkz900
Not at all.. I honestly don't understand where all these guys on the comments section are coming from when they say they'll be buying this day one. If you buy a 3DS and two games, you'll be out over 400 dollars! I just can't justify that for a handheld, even if it's really really cool.
Plus, I'd like to see Sony's new handheld to make a choice between the two.
Not like I'm losing out or anything. The good games always come out later, and I'm for one, sick and tired of having a Nintendo or Sony handheld that's been replaced by the next year.
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Not at all.. I honestly don't understand where all these guys on the comments section are coming from when they say they'll be buying this day one. If you buy a 3DS and two games, you'll be out over 400 dollars! I just can't justify that for a handheld, even if it's really really cool.
Plus, I'd like to see Sony's new handheld to make a choice between the two.
Not like I'm losing out or anything. The good games always come out later, and I'm for one, sick and tired of having a Nintendo or Sony handheld that's been replaced by the next year.
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 7:51PM SoCoolCurt said
@HTCEVO
i'm with you. it's a really cool piece of hardware and i do really want one but $250 for a handheld is outrageous. i know i'll get one eventually though since this is the first DS since the DS Lite came out that makes me want to ditch my old one. i feel like $150-$200 is a fair price range for handhelds these days with $180 being the sweet spot for brand new hardware. it will sell like crazy though regardless of what they charge for it, you can be sure of that, but i won't buy one unti it hits that sweet spot.
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i'm with you. it's a really cool piece of hardware and i do really want one but $250 for a handheld is outrageous. i know i'll get one eventually though since this is the first DS since the DS Lite came out that makes me want to ditch my old one. i feel like $150-$200 is a fair price range for handhelds these days with $180 being the sweet spot for brand new hardware. it will sell like crazy though regardless of what they charge for it, you can be sure of that, but i won't buy one unti it hits that sweet spot.
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 8:04PM SoCoolCurt said
@SoCoolCurt
and yea i really want to see what Sony has in store for the oft rumored PSP2 as well before i make any more handheld purchases. my DS Lite works fine right now so it's not a priority but my launch PSP is pretty much done so that would probably get replaced first.
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and yea i really want to see what Sony has in store for the oft rumored PSP2 as well before i make any more handheld purchases. my DS Lite works fine right now so it's not a priority but my launch PSP is pretty much done so that would probably get replaced first.
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 12:04PM oO Wallace Oo said
@saturn118
60% of the time, he's right every time
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60% of the time, he's right every time
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 2:51PM Mr Fister said
@saturn118
Pachter's more of a mouthpiece for certain publisher's interests than a credible analyst nowadays. Basically, he just gets hired by some third-party companies to say what they want to happen instead of actually making any impartial predictions based on credible evidence (which is not easy in the best of times, but still). That's why he keeps predicting negative outcomes for anything Nintendo-related, and why most of said predictions end up incorrect.
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Pachter's more of a mouthpiece for certain publisher's interests than a credible analyst nowadays. Basically, he just gets hired by some third-party companies to say what they want to happen instead of actually making any impartial predictions based on credible evidence (which is not easy in the best of times, but still). That's why he keeps predicting negative outcomes for anything Nintendo-related, and why most of said predictions end up incorrect.
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 10:04AM David Black said
He actually sounds half-intelligent in these comments. Which is more than I can say for most of his "analysis".
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Posted: Sep 30th 2010 10:18AM PooPooKaKaBumBum said
Good god, Pachter is such a giant douche.
Why does this man continually get a forum on gaming blogs when he does nothing but advocate ripping off gamers?
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Why does this man continually get a forum on gaming blogs when he does nothing but advocate ripping off gamers?
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 11:40AM PersonOfSorts said
@PooPooKaKaBumBum
He's said it himself -- he'd much rather be quoted in the Wallstreet journal, not gaming blogs. That's what his clients actually read.
Nintendo is not a charity. They're in this to make money -- just like any other business entity. Pachter stating the incredible obviousness of this is not "advocating ripping the consumer off." It's stating facts. Dude's actually really smart too, and he deserves more credit for his knowledge of the business side of gaming. Gaming blogs typically latch onto a 5 word quote cause it makes a headline that'll get hits. It's nice to hear a little more.
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He's said it himself -- he'd much rather be quoted in the Wallstreet journal, not gaming blogs. That's what his clients actually read.
Nintendo is not a charity. They're in this to make money -- just like any other business entity. Pachter stating the incredible obviousness of this is not "advocating ripping the consumer off." It's stating facts. Dude's actually really smart too, and he deserves more credit for his knowledge of the business side of gaming. Gaming blogs typically latch onto a 5 word quote cause it makes a headline that'll get hits. It's nice to hear a little more.
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 10:28AM Prince David said
I will definately buy it for 250$, I better start saving!
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Posted: Sep 30th 2010 10:31AM HasteMakesWaste said
No one trusts reggie's word anymore, thats why he got roasted in the E3 vid.
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Posted: Sep 30th 2010 11:23AM chuckharms said
Thanks for ANOTHER pointless Michael Pachter story, Joystiq. Everybody knows by now how the Wii was priced. I guess Michael has to make one prediction that's pretty much a sure thing so he isn't ALWAYS wrong.
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Posted: Sep 30th 2010 12:35PM Jacksy said
I think im the only one that thought the Wii was too expensive.. I mean sure it was priced less than the other consoles but that certainly doesn't make it so. It has reused hardware with no HD and only Wifi.. what the hell ? I like my wii for some Nintendo games but it was expensive for what it was.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2010 3:36AM kentuckyfried said
@Jacksy
The big disappointment is that alot of us shelled out for it but then the games never really came, it's a console that exists seemingly to satisfy hardcore nintendo fanboys.
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The big disappointment is that alot of us shelled out for it but then the games never really came, it's a console that exists seemingly to satisfy hardcore nintendo fanboys.
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 1:33PM tchuks said
"they should have sold the Wii for $300 and made an extra $50 of each Wii sold"
When Wii came out no one knew it was going to be as big of a success as it was (not even Nintendo). He can't say they should increase the price by $50 just because if it was $300 it may not have had that impulse buying price point at the sweet spot of $250 and may not have sold well at all. The price helped bring in the demand and success of the Wii, at any other price it may not have sold that well.
This guy is an analyst... but he doesn't understand how a $300 console and a $250 console have entirely different sales dynamics. Especially for the Wii which was described as not having the power of the Xbox/PS3... Looking back you can say "should have could have would have" but there is no way Nintendo could have known for 2 years the Wii will sell out, and they can't raise the price of a console AFTER it's out, and releasing it initially at a higher price may not have lead to the huge success (no one knows).
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When Wii came out no one knew it was going to be as big of a success as it was (not even Nintendo). He can't say they should increase the price by $50 just because if it was $300 it may not have had that impulse buying price point at the sweet spot of $250 and may not have sold well at all. The price helped bring in the demand and success of the Wii, at any other price it may not have sold that well.
This guy is an analyst... but he doesn't understand how a $300 console and a $250 console have entirely different sales dynamics. Especially for the Wii which was described as not having the power of the Xbox/PS3... Looking back you can say "should have could have would have" but there is no way Nintendo could have known for 2 years the Wii will sell out, and they can't raise the price of a console AFTER it's out, and releasing it initially at a higher price may not have lead to the huge success (no one knows).
Posted: Sep 30th 2010 3:37PM Imperial said
@tchuks
Indeed. It's easy for Pachter to look back in retrospect and say the price was wrong. Part of the Wii's success was the low price point. Eternal shortages just added to the perception that it was the console to own compared to PS3s and 360s sitting on the shelves.
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Indeed. It's easy for Pachter to look back in retrospect and say the price was wrong. Part of the Wii's success was the low price point. Eternal shortages just added to the perception that it was the console to own compared to PS3s and 360s sitting on the shelves.
Posted: Oct 1st 2010 3:34AM kentuckyfried said
Nintendo should price it at $200 tops...it's a high ceiling, but not too unreasonably so.
Anytime you start shooting off into the $250-$300, that's just too much for a handheld, I might as well just buy another ps3 while I'm at.
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Anytime you start shooting off into the $250-$300, that's just too much for a handheld, I might as well just buy another ps3 while I'm at.
Posted: Oct 1st 2010 4:13AM AWESOMEUSERNAME 1 UNO said
@kentuckyfried
agreed. way too much for mass market appeal (for a handheld). but the business major in me screams, "its branded Nintendo, it'll sell" . that being said, the only mobile gaming i do since high school has been on an iphone. the 3D factor is the only thing that would compel me to buy this.
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agreed. way too much for mass market appeal (for a handheld). but the business major in me screams, "its branded Nintendo, it'll sell" . that being said, the only mobile gaming i do since high school has been on an iphone. the 3D factor is the only thing that would compel me to buy this.
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