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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:13PM Axtimusprime said

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Wonder if it will run better on 360 as well just like Fallout 3. Not that I didn't enjoy it on PS3 because honestly it's one of my favorite games. I own both systems now so looks like I will probably pick up the 360 version this time. Was pretty sad waiting around for the constantly delayed PS3 dlc...

Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:21PM Dustin F said

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@Axtimusprime

I still remember some Capcom dev complaining that Microsoft gets very assertive if a multiconsole game they are supporting is better on PS3. It's a given that a game with this kind of 'partnership' will be inferior on PS3.

Honestly, I don't really care. Fallout 3 on PS3 is a lot of fun to play, aside from the technical problems.

I just wish the devs would insist their 'partners' let them make the game to max potential. Paying to reduce the content and quality is really irritating to me. Thank goodness Sony managed to turn their PS3's fortunes around and keep the competition intense. There are so many excellent options for PS3 that we do not need to put up with Bethesda doing this yet again.

If a PS3 gamer, or even a PC one, pays Bethesda for New Vegas right now, they are helping ensure this will happen to the next Fallout and Elder Scrolls title. If you really love the games, wait until the devs achieve what they are actually capable of.

If it's a matter of money, they should just charge more for the DLC.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:01PM BlackedOut said

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If I was MS or Sony, if a game is better on another system, that's a selling point - that won't help me in any way. In an ideal world, the games would be equal on both systems and there would be no competition.

If I was 1. a PS3 owner and 2. had a genuine interest in buying this game, I would rent it on release and buy the GOTY edition. To be fair I would fully understand those who choose not to buy it. On the Xbox side im choosing Fable 3 over this (for now) anyway so we shall see how well it fares given the crowded release date and this exclusivity move.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:03PM Liquidfingers said

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@Dustin F

If I recall correctly, Oblivion actually performed better on the PS3 when it was (finally) released. I'm curious to see where you got this supposed quote from a Capcom dev. Wouldn't any company be a bit upset if huge games performed better on an opposing console? It's safe to say that Sony would be just as upset, as I'm sure was the case with Bayonetta and Borderlands, among others.

It's easy to put the blame on the big companies for stuff like this, but I'm of the mindset that all big companies are the same. They are simply in the business to make as much money as they can. If you are going to blame anyone, why not blame Sony for making their console so difficult to program for?
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:12PM Dustin F said

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@Liquidfingers

"Oblivion actually performed better on the PS3"

that was my impression too, though I think they patched the 360 version quickly and this isn't a major difference.

"it's easy to blame the big companies".

Well, yeah. They absolutely make business decisions with this in mind. At any rate, the quality difference between an exclusive PS3 game and a multi PS3 game is almost a universal rule at this point. I can instantly tell if a game is also available on the 360 by how it looks on my PS3.

I can't even recall the Capcom title I was referring to, but it was a couple of years back. MS was insistent that there's no reason for the PS3 version of a game available on 360 should be any better. Sometimes, the only way to accommodate that goal is to do exactly what most games appear to do. Granted, often the PS3 game is slightly better, and often the 360 game is. However, there's no question MS is paying for PS3 versions to be inferior. That's just a different way of expressing 'exclusive feature', after all.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:18PM stoneNboneCDXX said

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@Axtimusprime

I own a PS3, Xbox 360, and a gaming computer. Was going to get this game for my father cause hes put over 1000 hours into the single player for Fallout 3, I would of bought it on PS3 for him because that is downstairs in the living room and is his gaming platform of choice. Now they have lost a sale and I will just be pirating it for PC.
Would have made me feel better knowing I own a copy of Fallout on another platform before I pirate it on PC. But whatever if they want to hold out DLC on the PS3 to get a few extra dollars up front I just wont buy their game. Ill take to the damn high seas.

The sad part is my father loves to buy DLC for the games he likes. Hes bought all of Fallout3 DLC and all of the DLC for Borderlands except for the newest one. I on the other hand never buy DLC for games, not even map packs for my favorite multiplayer games, so this makes no difference to me.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:52PM R Planteer said

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How about you pirate it on PC and yet still buy it for PS3 new?

That way the devs get a sale and you still get your game. Also, you'd get -1 douchebag points.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 2:05PM Liquidfingers said

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@Dustin F

The game from Capcom that you are thinking of is most likely Lost Planet...which I really don't think they could have made any better on the PS3 anyway. I can't really understand your logic...Sure, having a weaker (performance wise) machine on the market will set a certain limit on the graphics that multiplatform titles produce, but hasn't that always been the case? I certainly saw a deluge of crappy looking PS2 ports hit my Xbox last gen, but I wasn't complaining. I was simply happy to have the games on my preferred system.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that graphics shouldn't matter THAT much to you. A good game is a good game, and a good multiplatform game is most likely still a great looking game. Sure it might not be on par with Uncharted 2 or Reach, but that's why those exclusives exist. They are meant to be showcase titles for the system that fully utilize the power of that particular system. With that being said, my favorite games this gen are not graphic powerhouse exclusives, but are games that I enjoyed for more than simply aesthetic reasons, like Dead Space, BioShock, and Fallout 3.

Can't really say that I agree with your statement that Microsoft is paying devs off to make PS3 versions inferior. Developers have standards to uphold, and its unlikely that they will intentionally alienate their fanbase like that. Timed DLC is one thing, but purposefully making your game crappier on one console over another is something else that I do not think is intentional. Microsoft has deep pockets, no doubt, but so do Sony and Nintendo. Where are your allegations that these companies are doing the same things as Microsoft?
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 2:11PM ShadowXIII said

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@Axtimusprime

I wish Microsoft would just stop this low tactic.....its kinda old now.

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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 2:18PM Dustin F said

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@Liquidfingers

". I can't really understand your logic"

If you thought I was just talking about graphics, then it makes sense that you didn't understand me.

I was referring to a principle. It's not even like MS is the only company that behaves the way, after all. Standard Oil started this model before most of our grandparents were born.

Let me try to be a little more clear: I bet there are many devs were poured their hearts and souls into New Vegas content that is excellent. They know they have made the best game they can. Someone higher than they, in the food chain, thinks he can make more money by scheming with a console maker than simply making their very best possible product available to consumers.

New Vegas for PS3 is not the best product Bethesda is capable of making (or even has already made). Graphics are such a tiny part of that issue to me. So tiny I feel more comfortable ignoring that aspect entirely. Maybe it's because my eyes are not very good, but I haven't seen graphic differences as a major issue for multis this generation.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 2:23PM Dustin F said

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@Dustin F

sorry for the typos. Believe it or not, I have a day job, and apparently typing and eating a sandwich at the same time = gibberish.

Anyway, I bet a lot of people who worked on New Vegas are just as annoyed with this deal as I am, but they have signed NDAs and can't speak out.

I just want the best product Bethesda can put on the PS3. If that best product was inferior in some way, I won't care and probably won't notice. This kind of scheme is the opposite of striving for the most excellent game possible. Devs should see that as their main goal. If they do, the profits will take care of themselves and these schemes are not necessary.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 3:19PM stoneNboneCDXX said

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@R Planteer

As I said in my post. That was my plan to begin with. That's the same thing I did with Fallout 3. I bought Fallout 3 for PS3 for my father at full price and pirated it on PC for myself. I was going to do the same with this Fallout but because they are shafting PS3 owners just cause they want a few dollars from Microsoft upfront I just won't support them at all. I couldn't care less about douchebag points, there is always someone out there that will think you are a douche even if you aren't.

I will end up buying him the GOTY edition when it comes out either used or at a lower price or just get the regular edition and get all the DLC from my friends PSN account for free instead of buying them myself to support the company. But for now, it is a no buy, even though it was up until today. And its pretty shady for them to announce this the day before the game releases, what an amazing business they are running. Thankfully I never preorder games or order them from amazon.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 3:22PM The Aquacharger said

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@Dustin F
I don't plan to buy a new Fallout game untill Interplay's back incontrol.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 3:44PM Prboi said

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@ShadowXIII

Is it old or is it smart? I know plenty of people who bought a 360 who originally had a PS3 just for exclusive content like this on triple A titles. It has nothing to do with catering to fans, it's all about business. Same with Sony, if Sony hadn't been forced to create new IP's after MS had stolen basically all of them in the beginning, then I'm pretty sure doing this would be their next option. fact is, MS can buy out exclusive/timed exclusive DLC while Sony is still trying to play catch-up. Despite the millions lost in the RROD lawsuit, they still manage not to be phased. Say what you want about "M$" wanting to gain more money, it keeps the 360 owners happy which is a bonus & allows the fanbase to grow.

& about the console versions being equal, there's a reason one has to be inferior. If there was no inferior one, then there would be no PS3, no Wii or 360. There would be one mediocre console that probably wouldn't be anywhere near as good as either of those consoles. Competition equals advancements which equals satisfaction from the fans. The more Sony does to try & top the 360, the more MS does to try & top the PS3. & we reap the benefits from it all. So be glad that there is exclusive content on either systems, if it weren't for those, we wouldn't even have any.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 3:48PM Liquidfingers said

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@The Aquacharger

Well then you're a fool because all of the original people from the Fallout dev team at Interplay were either a) laid off or b) quit. You can actually find a lot of them working at Obsidian now, which is what makes me so hopeful for New Vegas. Hopeful, yet skeptical. Obsidian doesn't exactly have the greatest track record so far.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 3:55PM ShadowXIII said

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@Prboi

I'm personally not happy at all for most DLC. About 10 or so years ago, DLC were called unlockables and hidden areas, and get this, they were *free*.

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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 4:08PM Prboi said

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@ShadowXIII

Back then, games took longer to come out. Devs took their time with games & made them all they can be. Now due to fan pressure & money, devs are sometimes forced to release a game every year or 2 years. That's the real importance of DLC, it give the devs some time to do what they didn't have time for in the regular dev cycle, also so they're not just sitting in their chairs with nothing to do until the next project starts up. Things have changed & the power of online gaming is to blame.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 4:41PM chimpsmith said

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@Liquidfingers what he said definitely isn't out of the question.

Yes, Sony does have money, but consider that Microsoft has much more influence in NA than Sony. You should also realize that the PS3 is just now starting to gain sizable ground in America. While it may not be the case with this game, it very well could have been with the last one. Plus, it would have been much easier for devs to get away with it before.

Think about it, what was one of the biggest reasons cited at first for lesser version on PS3? That it was harder to dev for. A couple devs backed that up, but I think it was the Resistance team that came out and said it wasn't any harder at all, that it allowed specifics to be done faster, it's just that people hadn't had as much time to work on it. Bad press for Sony helps Mircrosoft. I'm not saying that every game that had something extra on 360 had Microsoft paying them off, but it doesn't rule out the possibility that they may have done it before.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 4:55PM Haizeus said

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@R Planteer


That's what I'll be doing. Intentionally hindering my experience for profit? Trolololololol. I claim no justice in buying a copy and then pirating it, but it makes me feel better about getting dry humped. I'll probably prefer this on PC anyway, much as I did F3.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 5:13PM The Aquacharger said

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@Liquidfingers
Trust me, I know that. I just don't like Bethseda. Fallout 3 and oblivion I didn't like. Morrowind was okay, but I don't want to support the company at all. Interplay's also not above working with old people who were laid off, and most old employees aren't upset at them because Interplay almost went out of buisness.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 5:40PM Liquidfingers said

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@The Aquacharger

As much as I hate seeing businesses get canned, I don't see how Interplay can possibly come back. They might as well still be shut down. I know they claim that they are working on a Fallout MMORPG, but all we have seen from that is a few pieces of concept art. Fallout 1 and 2 are some of my most favorite games of all time, but we may just have to accept that Fallout is now, for better or for worse, in the hands of Bethesda and whoever Bethesda sees fit to handle it.

Personally I liked Fallout 3 a lot. It did seem to have more than a little in common with Oblivion at times, but it is still a great game. Being the true Fallout fan that I consider myself to be, it did not disappoint. Knowing that there are quite a few devs from the original Fallout team working on New Vegas gives me some hope for the game, but I am still doubtful of how it will turn out. As is, the graphics look almost exactly like they did in Fallout 3 with a few minor tweaks. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I played the hell out of Fallout 3 and I'm not sure if I can donate another 200+ hours to the same VATs headsploding action.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 6:05PM The Aquacharger said

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@Liquidfingers
Interplay has a few games coming out, and some out on DSiware and WiiWare.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 4:50AM Viiral said

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@The Aquacharger So never?

Bethesda owns the ip silly.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:13PM serge808 said

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I'll still buy it for my PS3.

Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:33PM ItsameMatt03 said

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@serge808

Psh...okay. You have fun with that while everyone else enjoys the superior version sucker.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:13PM BrianReal said

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I played Fallout 3 on the PS3 and loved it like a fat kid loves cake. With that said, I'm waiting for the GOTY for this one. There will be at least 5 or so significant packs for this and, with Obsidian claiming that the game has an actual "ending" - like Fallout 3 did when originally released - I don't feel bad about holding out.

And the XBox exclusivity - yeah, that's not going to last.

Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:39PM superklye said

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@BrianReal

I'm doing the same thing. I'm still Fallout'd out from F3 and the DLC (which I still haven't finished completely). And I don't want to spend 2x the sticker price to get all the DLC as it comes out. GOTY for me. Same for Dragon Age 2. I've learned my lessons.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:00PM Prox said

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@BrianReal
This game will still be just as amazing next year when it hits stores with the DLC included. That's the biggest benefit to having patience and being a fan of single player RPGs.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:04PM Ballistic H said

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@BrianReal

I'm also waiting for a compilation edition. There are seriously too many games to play.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:14PM Dustin F said

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They are a business and free to do as they want. But I'll be buying the GOTY version used now. I can easily wait because there are so many games out there that support my platform without gimping it.

With Fallout 3, remember just how fundamentally gimped the game was without the Brotherhood DLC? I do. It really tainted one of the best games of this entire generation. I want to experience New Vegas without those problems, so ironically, it's my love of the series that is going to cost Bethesda a sale. I strongly encourage all PS3 and PC owners to either wait for a real version of this game and to buy used if they have a chance to, eventually.

Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:31PM JasonA said

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@Dustin F

Gimped?

I didn't get any of the Fallout 3 DLC and thought the game was a brilliant fully complete title that was without a doubt the GOTY.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:46PM Dustin F said

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@JasonA

The term gimp means impeded by an injury.

Without the brotherhood DLC, you have to play the game with an artificial concern for not ending the main mission as you explore and interact with the world. That is inferior to the game with the brotherhood DLC.

At any rate, your point is a non sequitur. I agree, Fallout 3 is an excellent game. However, PS3 owners do not get the full achievement that Bethesda is capable of. Is the game worth $60 in gimped form? Yes, I think it is. However, I encourage people to think beyond this analysis and realize they are helping establish an incentive to get more gimped titles.

Fallout 3 Goty isn't just a bigger game. It's was a game that lacked a fundamental problem.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:47PM Grey said

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@Dustin F

Um... I can understand that you want to wait for he GOTY version, but what does buying used have to do with anything? You say you love the series, but in the same breath you say you won't support it. WTF?
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:48PM Uncle Jesse said

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@Dustin F

If you love the series, why are you encouraging people to buy the game used? Used game sales won't help continue the series you love. I understand being frustrated if you only have a PS3 with this news and what happened with Fallout 3, but you could just wait for the GOTY edition or for the DLC. Everyone knows that the DLC will become available on the PS3 eventually. Buying it used doesn't really help anything other than Gamestop.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:04PM Dustin F said

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@Uncle Jesse

"If you love the series, why are you encouraging people to buy the game used?"

Did you read the comment? Because I explain this. You can disagree, but you're claiming you don't even understand my POV, which is odd because it's pretty simple.

I want Bethesda to make less money until they change their policy, of course. By buying used, or even not buying at all (just trading a game for a game with a pal, as I did with GTA4 + Resistance for Fallout GOTY), I deprive Bethesda of revenue.

Bethesda took money from MS to make up for the lost sales, damaged public relations, etc from PS3 and PC gamers. My hope is that they realize they make more money by supporting their PS3 and PC versions the same as the 360 version, and decline the next 'partnership' offer.

This is the most realistic way to thwart a future timed exclusive and inferior product support generally. What plan do you have to encourage Bethesda to support the next PS3 game the same as their 360 one?
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:09PM Petebot330 said

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@Dustin F Yeah, I didn't think the game was gimped at all. I had heard of the ending of the game but was still kind of surprised. Being familiar with the gameplay from my playthroughs of morrowind and oblivion, I had spent plenty of my time doing sidequests and was at level 20. At the end of my game, I immediately started up a new character and set out in the wasteland to check out anything I hadn't seen in my first playthrough, including repercussions of different decisions.

I bought fallout 3 at launch, and bought all other DLC at full price and don't feel I wasted a cent.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:11PM MLS said

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@Dustin F

I enjoyed the perks of the Broken Steel DLC (level cap and such) but starting clean on the GOTY edition was TOUGH!! Feral Ghoul Reavers and Super Mutant Overlords were showing their skulls in encounters that were totally not fit for low level characters. So it wasn't the most precise correction to the original game.

But this is an entirely new game.... What makes you think that New Vegas will shipped "gimped" as you put it, or that any DLC will correct it? I've already heard that NV will indeed have a closed ending, and the devs are putting their foot down with that. So if that was your main problem with vanilla FO3, get ready to be angry again.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:20PM Acosta02 said

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@Dustin F

Bethesda is not going to count their money and say, "Hey, where's that $60 that Dustin F was going to spend on this game?" "Oh, he said he wasn't buying the game because of the timed DLC."

There is no way to tell the difference between a lost sale and a sale that was never going to be made.

In fact, I can't help but imagine that if they see the xbox as a more profitable fanbase, they'll just keep doing what they do.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:27PM Dustin F said

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@Acosta02

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Bethesda is not going to count their money and say, "Hey, where's that $60 that Dustin F was going to spend on this game?" ""

Obviously this is why I encourage others to follow suit.

@Petebot

"Dustin F Yeah, I didn't think the game was gimped at all. "

We just disagree. And I think an awful lot of gamers thought Fallout 3 without brotherhood was inferior. You don't have to agree with me. However, I think it's quite plain that having the choice to buy DLC for New Vegas is a valuable thing. It's better to have that option than not to. Your argument sounds a lot like "those grapes were sour anyway". Doesn't matter if you didn't like the brotherhood DLC. The game is gimped, to me, without it, and I want to make a point not to enrich the decision to gimp one game or the other.

I think the same applies when a PS3 game has exclusive content that is substantial. 360 gamers should see that as a bit of a slap in the face, too.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:37PM Dustin F said

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@MLS

":So if that was your main problem with vanilla FO3, get ready to be angry again. "

I just wanted to note: I'm not angry about that problem. I'm also not angry about Bethesda making a deal I think is antithetical to the impulse to strive for the best possible games they are capable of selling.

I disagree, but there's no reason to be angry. The PS3 has so many excellent titles available that it's much harder to compete with them if you gimp your games like Bethesda does. My fallout 3 was freezing constantly until a major patch... I started playing Demon's Souls instead and don't have as high an opinion of Bethesda's quality control.

This is the opposite of anger. I'm happily empowered, like all PS3 gamers, to buy the best. This isn't the best Bethesda can do for me, and I want their best.

As for the style choice of how they end the game, I strongly suspect one of the DLCs will 'fix' this choice if you pay for it.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 2:05PM MLS said

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@Dustin F

I didn't mean to paint you as some kind of irate fanboy, sorry. I'm sure if people speak up enough, they'll change the ending, but at least this time they've promised to make it clear to the player "This is totally the end of the game coming up, so turn around now if you still want to!" Like how Okami did it. I think Joystiq ran an article about this, if it can be found in the search.

As for other things like level cap; I'm paying up front with the optimism that they have learned from the criticisms of FO3, and are creating a more balanced out of the box experience.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 2:31PM Dustin F said

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@MLS

No sweat, MLS!

I'm not surprised folks disagree. And I'm not surprised people are mistaking my sentiment for Sony Defense Force gibberish. That's easy to do, since there's a lot of fanboys in each direction.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 5:54PM Magetf said

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@Dustin F

Perhaps in addition to not buying the game, you should start a letter writing campaign and write them a letter every time you won't or can't buy their product. That's what I am going to do, I'll write one today, when each DLC is released, when the GOTY is released, etc. Maybe if they get enough of these $60, $15, $30, etc loss letters they'll get the point.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:16PM revsoul said

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This is why I didn't purchase the PS3 DLC for the last Fallout.

I obsessively played that game and IF there was content to purchase when I finished it....they would have had my money hook, line and sinker.

But after finishing then 3-4 months or more go by, I fell in love with something else never to journey back into the wastelands

I'm sure I'm not the only one like this

Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:07PM Dark Archon PSN Archonik XBL Dar said

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@revsoul
Neither did I... and I got it for free last week via PS+! Totally worth it ;)
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:09PM kentuckyfried said

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@revsoul

Oh, I did rejoice when the ps3 DLC came out. I just had to wait a year...which I was OK b/c I had other good things to play.

The funny thing about all this is that I've only played the main storyline for Point Lookout, and Broken Steel, I still have yet to finish the others.

I just don't like the fact that Microsoft keeps doing this. It's annoying and I'd really like to punch the people responsible in the face.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 1:42PM Guibs said

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@revsoul

Same thing here. I figured I'd wait until I was done with the original game before buying some DLC and in the end, once I got done with the original game, I started playing something else and never went back.

This is a recurring pattern for me it seems as some of my favorite games, that I really liked, I always never ended up buying DLC for additionnal playing time. Deadspace, Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, Fallout 3, etc are names that comes to mind.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 2:33PM revsoul said

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yeah good stuff for the EU STORE!! here in the States we got a free Mini !
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Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:17PM PR0F3TA said

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FCUK!! what kind of sh!t is this... i'm getting the short end of the stick because i own a particular system. I'm one if not the biggest Fallout fan on this site alone (prob), you don't even want to know how many hours on FO2 and FO3 i have, not to mention day 1 purchases of the DLC for FO3... and this is the thanks i get. a middle finger and a kick to the nads

Posted: Oct 18th 2010 12:26PM Dustin F said

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@PR0F3TA

I'm not trying to troll you when I say you actually helped Bethesda do this.

A ton of PS3 gamers will buy New Vegas anyway. and they will download the DLC on day 1. They will show Bethesda it can still make tons of money if they give you the short end of the stick.

They sat down and calculated if the money MS was offering was worth more than the losses they suffer from gamers like me (I love Fallout 3... it's in my PS3 right now, but I traded with a friend for the game and will probably but New Vegas used in a year or more).

Make that equation come out in our favor.
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