Molyneux: Fable series not 'limited' by trilogy formula
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Three: it's just a nice, round number. You have a beginning, middle and end. Good things are also said to come in threes, but according to Lionhead's Peter Molyneux, Fable 3 doesn't necessarily close the book on Albion and the franchise. During an Inside Xbox segment at Eurogamer Expo (transcribed by GamerZines), Molyneux said he hates "limiting" the studio to a trilogy. "Forget about the word 'trilogy.' I'm not going to tell you what happens at the end of Fable 3 but I don't think you'll feel in any way that you've reached the end of a trilogy."
It's by no means confirmation the series will extend past the third entry, sure, but if Fable 2 is any indication, we'll likely feel the same way at the end of Fable 3 as we did two years ago: wanting more regardless.
It's by no means confirmation the series will extend past the third entry, sure, but if Fable 2 is any indication, we'll likely feel the same way at the end of Fable 3 as we did two years ago: wanting more regardless.
Reader Comments (55)
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:11PM pButter said
Fable = Godzilla's franchise power.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:13PM FrozenPlasma said
Fable 4, you can now move the furniture around instead of swapping it out for different styles! IT'S REVOLUTIONARY, Peter will say.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:22PM BlackedOut said
You can do that in this one dude.
But maybe like completely revamp the house.
Fable 4: SimCity edition.
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But maybe like completely revamp the house.
Fable 4: SimCity edition.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:16PM MarkHawk said
What is these days... Question is will it continue to be any good after 3. Keeping things fresh and interesting after a while becomes difficult. Changing it to much could make it a completely different game at which point you should of just made a new series instead of damaging the current one.
IDK reference Bungie. They've done a good job of keeping things fresh but still remain similar at it's core.
IDK reference Bungie. They've done a good job of keeping things fresh but still remain similar at it's core.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:17PM Imperial said
This isn't new; Molyneux's GT interview from E3 2008 talked about plans for Fable 4 and 5...
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:19PM Mouthsmasher said
Just like the Halo franchise, I'm sure the only thing that will limit it is the players' continued interest.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 2:50AM honkyjesusownsu said
@Mouthsmasher
When you get enough financial backing it is really hard not to sell games. Gamers' interest has more to do with money being thrown at them than great games reaching them, I had to hammer Dead Space at people when it came out, now everyone has jumped on that bandwagon. This era of sequels is getting old, we need more new IP's.
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When you get enough financial backing it is really hard not to sell games. Gamers' interest has more to do with money being thrown at them than great games reaching them, I had to hammer Dead Space at people when it came out, now everyone has jumped on that bandwagon. This era of sequels is getting old, we need more new IP's.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:21PM BlackedOut said
I was there at this speech, thought it sounded familiar.
Fable has never had a contiguous storyline, the main hero of each one is dead at the start of the next game. That and the way they describe the end of this game, after the storyline is over and you become King - the ruling of the kingdom metagame - is what I think he is referencing, I think they will leave the game open after that point, for you to enjoy.
Fable has never had a contiguous storyline, the main hero of each one is dead at the start of the next game. That and the way they describe the end of this game, after the storyline is over and you become King - the ruling of the kingdom metagame - is what I think he is referencing, I think they will leave the game open after that point, for you to enjoy.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:22PM Faenix said
Eh, to me, its not a trilogy... its like final fantasy.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:24PM stafa said
Funny. At first, Molyneux was all about "not making sequels" and he was making excuses as to why he made Black and White 2 and was saying he was making Fable 2 because Fable 1 didn't deliver all his promises. So now that he seen the dollar bills roll in, he's all about the sequels now.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:26PM Mach2 said
Calling this one.
Mid-2012 Headline: "'FABLE 4 IS THE CURE TO AIDS AND CANCER' Lionhead's Molyneux says"
Mid-2012 Headline: "'FABLE 4 IS THE CURE TO AIDS AND CANCER' Lionhead's Molyneux says"
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 10:25PM LaughingTarget said
@Mach2
I doubt Peter will be willing to be humble enough to claim ONLY that.
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I doubt Peter will be willing to be humble enough to claim ONLY that.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 1:21AM King Johngie the Fourth said
@Mach2
And then in 2014.5, he will realise that it was a terrible idea
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And then in 2014.5, he will realise that it was a terrible idea
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:27PM MrVee PSN Vampah said
Didnt i read somwhere maybe last year or year before if Fable III makes good sales (for the amount of gamers playing not money reasons i dont think) Fable 4 and possibly 5 would be a must? E3 2008 i think
Either way im sure joystiq covered somthing similar before, but I welcome more fables, i cant wait for fable 3, and would be awsome to follow a new story for fable 4
Either way im sure joystiq covered somthing similar before, but I welcome more fables, i cant wait for fable 3, and would be awsome to follow a new story for fable 4
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:34PM theangryheretic said
Fable is 1 of my top 5 favorite franchises. I for one would love to see more games in the Fable universe.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:35PM Dr Acula said
Youcandoanything.mp3
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:35PM Come on Chang said
Doesn't Molyneux remind you just lil bit of Jigsaw...
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:36PM The Cole Train said
Of course it's not.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 11:24AM Spookimitsu said
@The Cole Train
Please kill it. start a new series. use old tricks. anything. WE HAVE TO STOP SEQUELS (except Assassins Creeds..... >.> )
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Please kill it. start a new series. use old tricks. anything. WE HAVE TO STOP SEQUELS (except Assassins Creeds..... >.> )
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:46PM Alexisonfire said
I would like a hiatus after 3. Maybe a good 3, 4 years. Start some new IP's with the money, experiment a bit, then churn out something really nice.
Yeah. That's the stuff.
Yeah. That's the stuff.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:18AM Premature ejaculation man said
@Alexisonfire
I still want Black and white for Kinect.
IT JUST MAKES SENSE
It could learn by your very actions rather than mouse movements and clicks.
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I still want Black and white for Kinect.
IT JUST MAKES SENSE
It could learn by your very actions rather than mouse movements and clicks.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:46PM bknight2k said
Would love more Fable.
Can't wait for Fable 3.
Between Fable 3 and Fallout New Vegas I am not going to have any time this year.
Can't wait for Fable 3.
Between Fable 3 and Fallout New Vegas I am not going to have any time this year.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:50PM Zacxx201 said
As long as they're all as fun as the previous ones, keep 'em coming!
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:51PM engadgetmodo said
I think it would be pretty cool if Lionhead went "Final Fantasy" with Fable. And I don't mean make it feel like Final Fantasy or look like Final Fantasy. I mean they should just keep making Fable games with different kingdoms and different stories but the same general feel, just like Square does with Final Fantasy.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 9:59PM Crayola Q Pants ESQ said
@engadgetmodo
Agreed to that. I wonder if there'd be too much pressure from the public/critics if a non-Molyneux Fable was made, however.
Perhaps a Fable: Blah Blah would be the best way to do it. Leave Molyneux to the numbered series and anyone else for the other stuff
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Agreed to that. I wonder if there'd be too much pressure from the public/critics if a non-Molyneux Fable was made, however.
Perhaps a Fable: Blah Blah would be the best way to do it. Leave Molyneux to the numbered series and anyone else for the other stuff
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:44PM ouijedanse said
@engadgetmodo
Agreed! The Fable series has such a wonderful, unique feel to it. No other games are quite like them stylistically. If they're not constrained to one canon universe there's no reason the IP couldn't go on for a long time. They'll just have to avoid the FF trap of making games that are increasingly tedious to actually play.
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Agreed! The Fable series has such a wonderful, unique feel to it. No other games are quite like them stylistically. If they're not constrained to one canon universe there's no reason the IP couldn't go on for a long time. They'll just have to avoid the FF trap of making games that are increasingly tedious to actually play.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:51PM onlysublime said
I'm surprised by Fable. I'm not a fan of RPGs at all. But they recently had Fable 2 for free so I downloaded and tried it. I was shocked how some of the graphics were so photorealistic-good and it wasn't canned video. It was rendered live. I'm talking about the cut-scenes. I always thought of Fable graphics as cartoony colorful, especially because of the box art (which I was not a fan of).
But Fable can go on forever like Final Fantasy. Here's hoping they innovate. FF was trapped by its own success. They couldn't change it too much or else they'd alienate their fanbase but they don't change it enough so people think it's more of the same.
But Fable can go on forever like Final Fantasy. Here's hoping they innovate. FF was trapped by its own success. They couldn't change it too much or else they'd alienate their fanbase but they don't change it enough so people think it's more of the same.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 2:47AM honkyjesusownsu said
@onlysublime
One of those infamous "free" games, huh?
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One of those infamous "free" games, huh?
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 8:57PM Liquidfingers said
Not sure why everyone hates on Fable. Maybe Molyneux does talk his games up and they don't always live up to all the hype, but is there really anything wrong with a developer being excited about his work? Hell no. I love the Fable games because I take them as they are, not what they were supposed to be at one point. I know I'll be picking up Fable 3 day one.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 9:48PM Chareth Cutestory said
@Liquidfingers
There's a slight difference between "being excited" and promising the moon. Molyneux is the boy who cried wolf of game development; the harder he hypes something, the less likely people are to believe any of it.
The proof is always in the pudding, but that doesn't mean he should be trying to convince us that the pudding is really a 10 course feast.
He should leave the hype to whatever enclave of wizards produce the ads for the games Microsoft publishes. Nothing I've heard about Fable 3 has set any of my worries to rest, but that "Revolution" ad? F-in' awesome.
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There's a slight difference between "being excited" and promising the moon. Molyneux is the boy who cried wolf of game development; the harder he hypes something, the less likely people are to believe any of it.
The proof is always in the pudding, but that doesn't mean he should be trying to convince us that the pudding is really a 10 course feast.
He should leave the hype to whatever enclave of wizards produce the ads for the games Microsoft publishes. Nothing I've heard about Fable 3 has set any of my worries to rest, but that "Revolution" ad? F-in' awesome.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 11:28PM TheDarkWayne said
@Chareth Cutestory People always say that but, i mean, he's been really quiet since Fable 2.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:53PM ouijedanse said
@Liquidfingers
I think it's easy to rag on Molyneux because he's so prominent. Gamers don't normally have a single, public individual to focus their constant complaining.
Personally - I find Molyneux refreshing. The Fable games are really fun and boisterous! Him being so charismatic and excitable with his hype gets me in the perfect Fable mood.
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I think it's easy to rag on Molyneux because he's so prominent. Gamers don't normally have a single, public individual to focus their constant complaining.
Personally - I find Molyneux refreshing. The Fable games are really fun and boisterous! Him being so charismatic and excitable with his hype gets me in the perfect Fable mood.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 9:11PM Cleric said
You know who I want to see do the writing for a Fable game, and for some reason it seems like it would fit perfectly? Ron Gilbert and Tim Schafer.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 9:15PM carg0 said
i didn't know Anakin Skywalker was in this game...
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 9:30PM ToCoolforSchool said
As much as I want innovation, and new ip's, I really don't want to see the Fable franchise go. The series is really fun, and is a nice laid back rpg for us casual gamers, as opposed to the hard core rpg players. An besides who doesn't want to be able to fart in someones face?
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 10:04PM Crayola Q Pants ESQ said
I'd be happy if there was a break from Fable and the next one came back swinging with a strong narrative and really memorable characters equal to what we've seen in a few recent games. Both points have been pretty so-so for me in Fable thus far (memorable characters being the weakest point).
And oh what the hell, have it set in the steampunk era too, while we're at it.
And oh what the hell, have it set in the steampunk era too, while we're at it.
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 10:16PM sammo21 said
He forgot to add, "...but it is limited by fart humor."
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 10:30PM ailurus74 said
"I'm not going to tell you what happens at the end of Fable 3 but I don't think you'll feel in any way that you've reached the end of a trilogy."
I really hope that doesn't mean the ending will be as terrible as Fable 2's :\
I really hope that doesn't mean the ending will be as terrible as Fable 2's :\
Posted: Oct 18th 2010 11:03PM ch3burashka said
That is expert marketspeak for "We're going to gouge this franchise every two years until it dies." Maybe that's not what he means, but that sure is what it sounds like. It's hard to be optimistic when people basically confirm a consistent flow of game, because history has shown time and time again that's the best way to make it shitty.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 12:26AM Regault said
Fable 4 will be in the future and involve exploring other planets.
That way they can combine the broken promises of the Fable series with the broken promises of the Spore series.
That way they can combine the broken promises of the Fable series with the broken promises of the Spore series.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 2:45AM honkyjesusownsu said
It's what developers without too much talent do, milk a lethargic cow till it keels over. See - Bungie and the homoerotic Gears of War.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 4:00AM Milky1985 said
"Molyneux said he hates "limiting" the studio to a trilogy. "Forget about the word 'trilogy.' I'm not going to tell you what happens at the end of Fable 3 but I don't think you'll feel in any way that you've reached the end of a trilogy.""
You see the problem is when I read stuff like this i always go back to my cynical view of the game industries idea of story telling, and think "so basically your saying that it doesn't have a proper ending".
At some point a storyline HAS to end, or its not a line!
You see the problem is when I read stuff like this i always go back to my cynical view of the game industries idea of story telling, and think "so basically your saying that it doesn't have a proper ending".
At some point a storyline HAS to end, or its not a line!
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 8:51AM EvoHelix said
@Milky1985 I have a theory that loose ends in video game plot lines have little to no bearing on the player's long term attachment to the franchise. The player initially wants more but eventually feels frustration. Cliffhangers work for TV shows because you only have to wait a week. (even then those two be continued episodes are the worst!) It doesn't work out as well over 2 years years however.
The best games I've ever played have a definitive storyline conclusion at the end. Game Developers need to realize that WE WANT AN ENDING, "To be continued..." just feels like a cop out.
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The best games I've ever played have a definitive storyline conclusion at the end. Game Developers need to realize that WE WANT AN ENDING, "To be continued..." just feels like a cop out.
Posted: Oct 19th 2010 10:30AM Milky1985 said
@EvoHelix
I agree that "to be continued" or the crysis "now we go back to finish it" need to be stopped in terms of story lines. The best game i finsihed recently was castlevania, the story of the game ended, but theres an after credits movie that gives you more information and says that something else is happening. This is now quiet rare and i think this is a ok way to do it, same kinda thing as the kingdom hearts secret movies, they hint at hte next game and that something is happening with teh extended story.
Not the fable 2 way of ending things, that was BS of the highest order.
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I agree that "to be continued" or the crysis "now we go back to finish it" need to be stopped in terms of story lines. The best game i finsihed recently was castlevania, the story of the game ended, but theres an after credits movie that gives you more information and says that something else is happening. This is now quiet rare and i think this is a ok way to do it, same kinda thing as the kingdom hearts secret movies, they hint at hte next game and that something is happening with teh extended story.
Not the fable 2 way of ending things, that was BS of the highest order.
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