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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 3:48PM 216 said

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Makes me happy that I'm 23 and I'm not bothered by this law.

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 3:58PM A Sandwich said

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@216
Read the article.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:04PM XperimntNterror said

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@216 makes me sad that you are 23 and not bothered by this proposed law.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:16PM SpikeJX said

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@216
It's idiotic to think this wont effect u because your 23. The outcome of this case will affect all gamer and gaming as a whole.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:20PM Spartan117458 said

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@216

Makes me happy that I'm 19, actually read the article, and understood that this DOES affect me.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 5:38PM Duke said

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@216
Really sad that you only care about laws that you think affect you. (and ignore those that affect others...as well as you without you realizing it.)
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 5:51PM Geoff900 said

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@216

This doesn't effect me, and because I'm 22 and from the UK :D
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 7:22PM Im No Hero said

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@216

But you will be affected by it.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2010 7:40AM Milky1985 said

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@216

@Im No Hero

"The court will decide whether or not to overturn the decisions of the Northern District of California Court and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals -- both of which found California law AB 1179, which bans the sale of "violent" video games to minors, to be unconstitutional."

In england you are not allowed to sell violent video games to minors, havn't been able to for quite a long time. We still have games stores and sell games, hell we actually sell 18 games as well!

"Games would become less accessible and more expensive," Mercurio explained. "Added costs associated with developing, marketing and selling games with any violence in them will be rolled into the price of games and passed on to consumers."

They sell here in teh UK, are they more expensive? Well yes they are actually but thats more to do with the games industry abuse of exchange rates.

""Retailers would probably sell games very differently than we're used to presently – either creating a separate area for those that might run afoul of the law, and some may choose to cease merchandising them altogether, due to the inherent risk," Mercurio added."

THIS is the real problem, basically your retailers are stupid. The kid being able to pick up the game != kid being able to buy the game. They go to a counter and the guy says "no". Having a read throug hof the article the only mention of exiling games is there, but no mention of stuff saying that kids are not able to see the boxs, just the words "cannot sell".

Unless theres somethign i'm not seeing the ni the article all this is doing is saying that there sould be a legal way of saying "don't sell 18 games to 14 year olds".... which is a good thing. It doesn't hamper anythign, have been doing it in the UK for years. But i noticed the person who put that forward ahs already been downvoted with no explaination of if thats a incorect statement or not.
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Posted: Nov 4th 2010 2:44PM thebrianiac said

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@216
Hahaha, you made my day. Thanks!
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Posted: Nov 12th 2010 12:34PM R V said

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@216
Guys quit fooling yourselves. Just because someone says something will happen, doesn't mean it will.
Think about it.
1. The majority of people who buy games are over 18 (parents buying for their kids or 18+ people buying for themselves) This will hardly affect sales.
2. This talk of games censoring themselves is probably a false threat leveled by companies. Again, the market they are missing due to this law is very small. A company like rockstar isn't going to make gta5 filled with puppies and flowers because of a law like this.
3. The talk of less distribution, but it doesn't matter when you have the internet, which will surely still sell all titles, regardless if they are for 18+ or not.
4. For all the above reasons, game prices will probably not increase. 18+ games would still have a huge market, and would still have very easy ways to get to that market.

Im not saying that I want this to go against game companies. Im just saying that it will not be a big deal as everyone is making it. Any industry will do whatever it can to avoid extra regulation, the games industry is no different.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 3:49PM finnith said

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While I haven't seen any study that has shown a strong enough of a correlation for me to renounce my view on violent video games, it's good that this issue is being taken seriously by the courts. Something like this which can potentially affect the youth should be taken as seriously as possible. Hopefully the case is treated fairly tomorrow.

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 3:50PM colinisrad said

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I really hope that they realise this is unconstitutional and are not brainwashed by the whole "Violent videogames make children violent argument... This could be a sad day for gamers... But hey... WE COULD OPEN VIDEOGAME SPEAKEASYS!!!

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:57PM iceytoa1 said

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@colinisrad
You do realise all it does is stop people below the age of the product buying it...
Its the same in england...
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2010 11:21AM twocows said

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@iceytoa1
Your summary is misleading. It fines retailers for selling games "of a violent nature" to minors. The bill introduces no standard of measurement for whether a game is "of a violent nature" or not, and so (as it said in the article), cashiers will end up having to guess whether a game qualifies or not, potentially leading to huge fines.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 3:52PM Xupmatoih said

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"Games would become less accessible and more expensive," Mercurio explained. = more piracy IMO.. :$

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 8:50PM SeriousSam24 said

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@Xupmatoih Piracy has it's place in the economy, believe it or not. However, it's a delicate balance and much more will only affect prices more.

Also, as someone who's pirated many a game on my time, it's becoming increasingly irrelevant due to digital distribution. Nowadays I find myself much more likely to buy a game on steam for the added convenience and generally cheaper price.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 3:56PM Cleric said

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"the case is about whether video games will be protected like other artistic content like movies, music and books

This quote alone should end it. Why are video games the special case?

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:17PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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@Cleric Although I don't think this should pass, the reality is that games are inherently different from other media. They are interactive. They require thought, reaction, and decision making from the person using them.

Imagine 80 years from now, a virtual reality machine similar to a Star Trek holodeck. This experience would be very, very different from reading a book or watching a TV show. Shouldn't it be regulated at least a little differently?
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:27PM XperimntNterror said

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@WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco not by government and not by enforcing a law to regulate it. this country and our system of government was not founded on that principle because, as the people responsible for establishing this country already knew from what they were fleeing in England, too much government control leads to tyrannical rule. it may seem OK to allow government regulate such "small" things, but that's just where it starts. the Constitution begins with "We" not "They", so WE need to be the ones regulating these things; not them.
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2010 1:10PM PharoanicSage said

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@XperimntNterror
Hey dude, when you get the chance check my comment please. I would enjoy some feedback. It should be the last one...Its big too. Cant miss it.
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Posted: Nov 4th 2010 2:11AM NinjaDougie said

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I think in reality the parents should decide what their kids play and don't play, maybe if a majority the parents in the US weren't lazy twits it could work but parents would have to actually do something with their kids other then ignore them...so prob wont work that way. Anyway rant off now I am 26 and do not hope this passes if it does i could see it having dire consistences not only to the gaming industry but also to our rights as US citizens....
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Posted: Nov 4th 2010 1:31PM Chico said

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@WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco

How are books not interactive? They might even be MORE interactive, because any reader's imagination is going to go much further, deeper, darker, and depraved than any video game images will ever explicitly show.

Video games are very much like movies in terms of the images and dialogue/text. The only difference is that we get to push buttons that have the story unfold slightly different for each gamer. In the end though, a video game is essentially a movie that's been chopped up into enough pieces to give a gamer something to do for 4-5 hours or so...
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 3:56PM acefondu said

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I love the statement "violent video games turns kids violent." That's like saying good PC games turns kids into thieves because they torrent them...

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 3:57PM Kunikos said

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Can we please enforce the laws we have regarding minors viewing adult MOVIES instead?? I am seeing 14 year old kids running around in Saw costumes. I mean, WTF, that's way worse than any shit in a video game

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:02PM acefondu said

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@Kunikos

What about the Saw video games ; ).
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:14PM pluupy said

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@Kunikos
They're about on the same level.
Movies are fast, games require an attention span.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:15PM JustinMcElroy said

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@Kunikos There are no laws regarding minors viewing adult movies, except in the case of pornography.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:06PM YakuzaElite said

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Arnold's final words after he loses - "GET TO DA CHOPPPA"!!!

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:08PM xDeFcOn24x said

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Wait so Children under 17 only would be effected by this law. Law states M games are 17+ and A games are 18+. This law should affect us if it does then big probs for me being 17 if not then o well put the ban on im tired of hearing 10 yr old kids tring to act cool. Annoying

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:40PM SpikeJX said

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It's not M rated violent games we r talking about here it all games with any kind of violence. there is violence in most games from E to M. the whole fighting genre could be destroyed because games like smash bros and street fighter could be considered to have excessive violence. RPGs, MMOs, any game with a weapon or fist meeting some else's flesh in any aggressive manner, killing something whether it evil villians, demons, or some cute jelly monster in a cutesy anime game, and whether its blood, sparks, a cloud of smoke or coins that pops out when they die it; it will all be effected because its violence. Whether its realistic or fantasy violence doesn't matter.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 5:00PM xDeFcOn24x said

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@SpikeJX O wow didnt think that. Yea true that could be ruined then F this shi... Ah well If you think of it its only for kids all the companies would do is rate games like tekken to M which wont be bad. Parents will still buy ther kids the games in the end. dont freak out on me i didnt read entire thing so yea but it really wont matter. unless industries stop making the games. And Smash bros sucks anyway stupidest fighting game series ever.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2010 1:26PM SpikeJX said

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@xDeFcOn24x
It does matter if game developers stop releasing specific games in the usa if they think there is a high chance of them getting fined by the government for each purchase by a minor. I'm not bashing just informing. You should be more concerned about this because depending on how this goes will change everything. And smash bros was great. Melee more than brawl but still.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:10PM JustinMcElroy said

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@Billy Taebo Blanks Now, appealing a Supreme Court ruling. Could you explain that procedure for me?

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:10PM XperimntNterror said

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@Billy Taebo Blanks i'd say that anything attempting to be passed into law that would undermine Constitutional freedoms is a real issue; irrespective of the law's actual subject matter.

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:10PM blok said

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That link to the supreme court says that the ECA filed an amicus brief for the case - that means they're not actually the ones fighting this - so talking to them seems kind of pointless - other than to continue to myth that they actually do anything with the money gamers have given them.

The Entertainment Software Association - as your article only barely mentions - is the organization that has been fighting this since day one and the fact that the majority of this article focuses on the ECA is sad as it knocks the journalistic integrity of this site.

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 5:30PM griffinmcelroy said

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@blok We have an interview with the ESA that will go up soon. We spoke with the Entertainment Consumers Association about how the ruling could potentially effect consumers, and I don't exactly see how that affects our integrity, particularly since nowhere in the article do I say that the ECA will be the one representing the Entertainment Merchants Association in court tomorrow.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:14PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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@ben linus What does Cuba have to do with this? Are you even aware of what the Cuban media laws are?

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:15PM ZForce915 said

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Their logo looks like a penis. I have nothing more to add.

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 10:59PM NukeAssault said

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@ZForce915

Always thought it looked like a duck... or is it a rabbit? Both?
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:15PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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@Monkey D Luffy Japan isn't a better country. Try anywhere in Scandanavia.

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:23PM TheDarkWayne said

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@Monkey D Luffy Or, ya know....Canada?

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:28PM Anguissette said

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I don't like the gov't restricting the content of video games.

I don't like the US Gov't telling the State of CA what laws they can write.

I hope the Supreme Court makes a No Decision (is this possible?) and the CA rulings will stand.

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:42PM scribe999 said

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@Anguissette: The Supreme Court had that chance. They could have refused to take this case, but instead they chose to look into it, which is a bit disconcerting. I wonder what it is in the filings that piqued their interest so much.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:53PM naginalf said

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@Anguissette Checks and balances. The Supreme Court is specifically in place to keep ANY law from restricting constitutional rights. CA law sets a precedent that, left unchecked, will restrict content. A lot of posters here are missing the point. If laws like this are allowed, then the biggest issue is sales. Game companies won't be able to sell violent games and thus will be forced to censor them. Of course, how hard would it be to obfuscate the entire issue and base content on your account settings. Legislation should not be taking on what should be the responsibility of parents. It is not an issue for legislation to even be dealing with!
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:39PM scribe999 said

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@JustinMcElroy: Y'know, amend the Constitution...it won't take but a moment.

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:44PM ShadowXIII said

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The Terminator is trying to kill video games.


....who knew??

Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:58PM jamkor9 said

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@ShadowXIII excellent point. the guy who help to pioneer (and make millions from) overt uberviolence now thinks violent games are an issue. typical.
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Posted: Nov 4th 2010 2:17AM NinjaDougie said

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@ShadowXIII

Its cause the terminator knows its how us humans will train to one day take skynet down for good, they really sent Arnold back from the future to remove video games from the world, next is movies, then we all share everything we own with everyone else. forcing us to hate our neighbors and each other so we don't have the ability to rise up and take down skynet when it goes active in 2012 Dec 21
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Posted: Nov 1st 2010 4:48PM jamkor9 said

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I read the law. It says if you are

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