Killzone 3 has considerably less input lag than its predecessor

@A Sandwich actually, it's not. it shows that you put a lot of things ahead of actual gameplay in your game. It shows one of two things:

you consciously decided to sacrifice time spent makeing nice graphics and other things over responsive controls.

or

You just didn't know what is important in a good FPS to begin with.

in either case, it disqualifies you from being considered a top flight FPS designer. you might have made a solid, fun game, but you're not in the same league as other devs known for their FPS prowess.

@oolz

Get off your high horse.

@oolz
The best first person shooter in the history of first person shooters is nothing without good controls. You would know that if played more shooters than Tiger Woods games.

@oolz

It's fun to pretend you know what you're talking about isn't it?

@oolz

You sir... did not read this article or apparently even think at all before you made your post.

I liked Killzone 2, but I didn't like the fact that the latency was so noticeable. It's good to see that they've changed that. Maybe I'll feel more like whether or not I die is actually under my control.

@oolz actually if you read the article they said at 116ms its one of the faster FPSes out there with very few being even close to 100ms. So Killzone 3 is going to be very responsive.

@oolz No other FPS on a console achieves graphically what Killzone 2 did. And gameplay was designed around the heavier experience created by the lag, which at that time of development, was still commendable for all the graphic prowess of this game. Guerilla made a game which surpassed others in it's class while still maintaining a strong play mechanic. Twitchier games were possible, and existed-- at the cost of graphics and sound. DUH.

@einhanderkiller

Yea, they were trying to make gamers react to things that were not going to pop up on the screen for another 130ms or so. You had to look forward in time or prepare for the future.

@xiLeShadow

LOL

@xiLeShadow
lol predict the future. Ha!

@xiLeShadow

. . . well you can try to predict the future or just slow you're roll and aim. There was noticable lag, but what's the alternative? Sliding around on skates have a gunarm attached to your shoulder like COD? If anything it cut down on the amount of people who would kill with the precision of a Terminator.

@einhanderkiller

Yes it was. It gave the characters the heavy, natural feel they had. In other words, KZ3 will likely have the loose, sucks dynamics of Halo on the character move. The "I am carrying a ton of stuff, an armor, and yet I am moving like a track and field athlete".

Uh huh. The input lag totally didn't have a single thing to do with all those shiny post-processing effects. Nah.

I think that there's some degree of weight that was in fact deliberate but I'm not going to fool myself into believing that an actual noticeable gulf between aiming in a direction and your character responding provides a realistic feeling of weight. More like a realistic feeling of frustration

@einhanderkiller
No. The "weighty feel" was made of two separate components: input lag, and an aiming acceleration that was different than most shooters. The unique aiming was intended, the input lag was not. Guerilla Games QA said that it was intended to try and put out some of the fire, but the fact of the matter is that locking the game in at 30 fps with vsync on created a delay in the controls that was not intended.

Also, I'm pretty sure most other shooters are closer to 60ms. I remember reading and watching analyses of different games compared to KZ2 when it came out, and I could swear they said Resistance 2 has like 60 or 66 or something, which would still put Kz3 behind the average. I'm thrilled they've at least improved it.

Surprisingly, anyone who has the new Goldeneye game should pay attention; that has some noticeable input lag as well! Not like KZ2, but it's noticeable.

@Levi your absolutely right any shooter which is running at 60fps has much less lag, COD4 (runs at 60fps) is apparently around 66ms as well..

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-killzone-3-inputlag-blog-entry -- This is an earlier piece, from him stating COD4 lag.

Apparently GTAIV had 166ms controller lag..

To be honest though this whole controller lag issue was started by DF, the devs repeatedly stated it was about weight and feel.. They could have intentionally added controller delay and increased dead space for that feeling of weight.. This could have been completely and utterly done by design..

Neither I or you know the actual truth, we can only guess.. I tend to ignore the huge amount of bullshit from digital foundry.. We are talking about the same guy who took a shaky handheld cam up to a display to try and prove the move had a huge amount of lag, if you want to ruin any shred of credibility thats how you do it..

He can run proper analysis of the move now, has he bothered ? Nope because it would only serve to prove that his original article was nothing but flamebait. Has he bothered to analyse the lag of Kinect, now that both are out and get a decent comparison between the two ? Nope.. What do we get ? Analysis of a game beta, with alpha code clearly displayed at the top..

Much like, admitting the fact that he had no idea whether the controller lag was intentional or not.. He can only guess and frankly where anything PS3 is concerned he usually paints a worse / grimmer picture than it actually is.. Read his full "analysis" of the game.. If it wasnt for actual previews by game journalists, I would be lead to think that KZ3 is a horrible kludgy mess with framerates constantly dipping and all sorts of other issues.. Funny thing is practically ever reviewer so far has commented on how great it looks and runs.. Leads me to the end conclusion that the majority of his analysis is good for his grand mother..

@ptcamn

"loose, sucks dynamics of Halo on the character move. The "I am carrying a ton of stuff, an armor, and yet I am moving like a track and field athlete". "

first, how does quicker controls make movement feel more loose? if anything it would make it feel tighter. also, spartans are freaking super-soldiers. despite their armor, they're SUPPOSED to be faster/quicker than any marine.

@McDuckScrooged i think you need to relax. take a chill pill. the article said that kz3 made significant improvements over kz2. it didn't disparage kz3 at all. why are you bringing in the move? no one is talking about that. relax. breathe.

@ptcamn Which would explain why your movement and aim was identical regardless of if you were carrying a rocket launcher or a pistol... no wait...

@onlysublime :)

@blueskyv201 halo, cod were around 100. kz2 was a slug at 150 ms. for point of reference, kinect is 160-200.

@blueskyv201

Looking at others shooters like cod, there's probably close to none. People want that responsiveness from a shooter.

@philmcfail

Close to none? Do you mean like 116ms?

@superfrog1993

Oops my bad! When I said close to none I just meant the feeling was like close to none. I wasn't referring to any mathematical data. Downvote away!

@blueskyv201

that's a good point. These sorts of numbers make no sense to the average person without a frame of reference.

Personally, I make comparisons to any shooter using COD4 as the baseline, since that's my all-time favorite thus far for an FPS. For TPS, I'm not so sure, but UC2 would be a good baseline as any I suppose.

@onlysublime

Thank you, that is very useful information.

Where did you find them? I'm particularly interested in seeing what mw2 and W@W clocked in at.

@onlysublime
Imagine if you could tweek the input connection so their becomes 0 lag and thus giving you an decent, but perhaps unfair, advantage on these games?
Thanks for the points of reference.
A checked the comments, commanded F, and searched halo, found your post and bam! Answered.

@leemahi
never mind the game itself is made laggy. Well then we would have to hack. Hack away i tell ya.

@blueskyv201

It's actually very surprising to me that input lag on pretty much every shooter is 100ms. If you ping over 100ms to a game it feels almost unplayable, yet we're all actually living with that in our input lag from the get-go?

@Vcize there are all kinds of lag and it all adds up. there's input lag. there's tv processing lag (even game mode on a tv doesn't completely erase the lag). there's audio lag. there's latency on a network. but of course, the biggest lag is the human lag (thinking and then doing). the reason people trip up is that you think way faster than can actually do the motion. i think the only reason people like lag on kz2 is because it levels out the playing field. helps the people with slower reflexes catch up to the quicker reflex people.

@blueskyv201
Games like Call of Duty that are locked in at 60fps usually run closer to 66ms of delay. Input lag goes hand-in-hand with fps, since we are talking about the number of frames it takes to display your actions. 60fps games tend to have less. If it takes 10 frames of animation to display your actions on-screen, that means there will be 1/6th of a seond of lag in a 60fps game, and 1/3rd of a second of lag in a 30fps game.

@m0c3

I guess, Idk..

I react fast when it comes to these types of games...the lag really annoyed me after a while. =(

@m0c3

Yeah I actually found I was amazing at KZ2 and I put it down to the weighted feeling. Lag sounds like such a bad word but basically you had to be accurate or you were dead, your actions had more consequence, u couldn't go nuts.
On another note the knife distance in COD is ridiculous.. lol

@m0c3

I wish more people can pull their heads out of unknown places and say that

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

IE they turned it into garbage COD snap insta headshot

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze


This. If K3 loses that heavy feeling I'm going to be really disappointed. The high precision aiming setting was absolutely perfect.

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Having played many FPS games such as Halo, Call Of Duty, Fallout, Left 4 Dead etc. It would be kind of obvious to see the difference between them & Killzone. It's the difference between making a quick turn to kill your opponent & dying. It's why PC games feel the PC is best for FPS games, because of the responsivness & accuracy.

@Cleric

Because God knows controls that actually respond to you when they should is garbage.

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze


ITT: Statwhores.

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

true; I never understood what the big fuss was about in kz2. Granted I never played alot of the MP, but at the few moments I did, I didn't notice any either.

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze Either you didn't get the game on the release date or are quite unobservant.

@TUROK1134

I got it before they had any patches, played the entire single player, and a few multiplayer matches, and went for weeks/months without ever realizing there was any lag.

A friend mentioned it to me, and I casually said, "Lag? I never noticed any. You probably just hate it for being a Sony game," or something like that. Then he shows me a video of it, and I replied with, "Strange, I never noticed that. They must have a bad TV or something, cause it was never that bad for me."

@sonicspike41

Yep I got the platinum on it and I didn't notice any "lag", the weighted feeling felt perfect to me.