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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:37PM Foetoid said

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" Stay tuned tomorrow for much more from Mr. Kodick. "

/fixed

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:01PM chrisgrant said

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@Foetoid

I c what u did there.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2010 7:09AM Ghen said

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@Foetoid
I'm ready for more DUR HUR NOT MY FAULT I'M JUST CEO.

This should be really entertaining.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:38PM Nofriendo said

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"That's not really what happened," Bobby Kotick told me in September over a glass of water at the posh Beverly Hills Hotel"

Water huh, you guys don't kid around.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:40PM Faren22 said

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@Nofriendo It's the new businessman's drink.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:30PM sigma8 said

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@Nofriendo
Seriously. Was that on the rocks?
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 9:11PM antiZER0 said

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with a crazy straw.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2010 11:12AM Opuelas said

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@sigma8 No silly, it was shaken. Not stirred.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:38PM MystileArmor said

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Mr. Kotick,

You milked Guitar Hero to death, you've milked Call of Duty to death, you've milked Tony Hawk to death. You sir, ruin franchises.

Off course this is all my personal opinion, but one I think shared with many. I also have a pretty strong feeling you'll browse through this article yourself and hopefully the comments. You seem enough of an egocentric human-being to do so.

I understand you're in the business of making money. But I think you can do so with keeping some integrity. To me, it appears you have none.

That is all.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:40PM Nofriendo said

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@MystileArmor

True. But am I kidding I'm gonna be puking up so much milk about this time tomorrow.

Nov 9th.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:42PM Foetoid said

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@MystileArmor

I'm a little pissed that my favourite Tony Hawk game ever, Downhill Jam on Wii, hasn't got a sequel. I love that game, its one of only 2 games on Wii i've had since launch and won't get rid of. Its so much fun, the controls are brilliant once you spend the time to deal with the learning curve, and graphically its not too shabby. I would have loved to have seen an online version.

And yes i've 100% finished most TH games and i am still willing to say Downhill Jam on Wii is my fav.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:51PM chrisgrant said

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@MystileArmor

I don't know if that's fair – looking at Call of Duty, MW2 is the best reviewed game in the series to date; it's sold better than any other game in the series; the DLC sold better than any DLC to date; and the sequel is being supported by the largest team yet to work on the series, over 300 developers. This isn't milking, even if you don't like the games. There's a very successful strategy at play.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:52PM chrisredfield31 said

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@MystileArmor To be fair, you're looking at it from a consumer point of view. From a business perspective, these games continue to sell millions and millions of copies WITHOUT FAIL. It's a GUARANTEED RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

If people continue to buy, obviously they continue to make more. Can't argue with that. Mass market likes that stuff. Until mass market decides they don't, this is the way it will continue to be.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:09PM MystileArmor said

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@chrisgrant

Perhaps it wasn't fair to include Call of Duty, since the quality of those games are still high. But it's hard to disagree that they haven't completely driven Tony Hawk into the ground and Guitar Hero. How long before Call of Duty will go in that direction? I feel that this is bound to happen.

Maybe I AM looking at it from a wrong perspective. To me games are still a form from art. I'm a musician, and I think I look at it from that perspective.

A Britney Spears album can be very well received by critics. I know I won't like it and I know it's probably going to be the same old crap over and over again. And some people enjoy that. Even if it was well-made and well-produced, I probably still wouldn't like it, cause to me, something like that lacks integrity. I have a hard time supporting that.

Music is art, and art is supposed to come from your heart and it is supposed to be something you can be proud of. I see video games in the same light. I was raised to believe you need to do something that makes you happy and sometimes not to do things that are the popular thing to do, just because there is financial gain to be found.

Unfortunately, the nature of this man's job is to make as much money for Activision as possible.

I think it's pretty much unavoidable for Kotick to be the nice guy here, from a business point-of-view. However, I feel he's out-of-touch with his business and I feel like you can be a CEO of a successful video game publisher without giving up integrity if you just try harder.

It seems to me he's taking an easy way out.

That's just my 2 cents. Maybe I'm dead wrong, I'm not in Kotick's shoes. But I don't want to be either.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:12PM SnorlaxTheSerialKiller said

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@chrisgrant

So you're a fan?
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:15PM w1n5t0n said

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@chrisgrant
I feel if they follow Guitar Hero's strategy it is milking, by Call of Duty 8 we'll all be less enthusiastic.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:19PM Voshempa said

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@MystileArmor Respectful post, but what happens to make a franchise "milked". Is it after a number of releases or after a certain amount of time after release? What about franchises like Mario, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, etc., are these "milked" as well? I'm just curious as to what people think a "milked" franchise is and how much it has to do with Kotick being involved.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:21PM Voshempa said

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@MystileArmor Nevermind Mystile, I took too long to post my questions and you answered them pretty much in the meantime, while I was writing.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:22PM SnorlaxTheSerialKiller said

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@Voshempa

I can answer this. Milking is wooing the franchise for all it's got. What MystileArmor is referring to is "empty milking", i.e. there's nothing left to milk.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:27PM MystileArmor said

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@Voshempa

I haven't played many of the Resident Evil games, so I don't know. Final Fantasy is always trying new things as well, maybe not always as well received (FF XIII), but at least they're trying. I don't think the spin-off games count per se, I haven't played any of them, but I depending of the quality and concept, I guess some of them could be perceived as "milking".

With Mario, however, I don't feel it is being milked. From what I've seen from newer releases, they always tried to innovate and they haven't been scared of trying new things. Mario Galaxy was a HUGE leap, in my opinion. But they risked it and it paid of. To me, they've always kept artistic integrity with Mario games (Maybe some missteps here and there, think "Hotel Mario" and "Mario Is Missing") and still trying to get them to sell well by sticking in things that people recognize and love.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:48PM Kflows00 said

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@MystileArmor I just have one comment.

Gaming CAN be an art - not every game is a work of art.

Same with virtually anything...music CAN be an art, but not every piece of music is a work of art (to me, at least).
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:56PM MDizzy said

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@MystileArmor It's ironic that you're comparing big publishers in the game industry to big publishers in the music biz. Both sides pump out what sells and don't care so much about "art" it's a business. There are musicians that rise above the mainstream and stay true to their art AND have commercial success. Just like there are developers who do like wise (see Bungie for example). Then you have developers who focus on the art of the game and don't get the necessary numbers.

Tim Schafer falls into that latter camp. He did the same thing with MGS (remember Psychonauts). It's one thing to sink your own money into a project that may or may not have critical success (look at 3DRealms and Duke Nukem). But to ask someone to pony up money for you and have nothing to show for it is just inconsiderate.

As always the solution is simple if you don't like the way the industry works, vote with your dollar. Until then expect to see Guitar Hero: Fall Out Boy next year
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 9:00PM Premature ejaculation man said

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@MystileArmor
If anything Call of Duty demonstrates that Activision is getting a better handle on their milking abilities. Guitar Hero and Tony hawk both suffered from due to only having a year to work on them (probably even less for Guitar Hero when they really pushed it) so not only did quality lesson but there were so many of them.

They now do 2 year development cycle with large staff size, so it shows they at least have some kind of thought to their milking.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 9:02PM MystileArmor said

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@MDizzy

I do vote with my dollar. I haven't bought an Activision game since Guitar Hero: World Tour.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 9:03PM 182 said

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@MystileArmor maybe now? I just came back from a 2 hour Black Ops session, man it was a huge let down :S I'm not going to buy that game now.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 10:39PM JCDoe said

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@MystileArmor

I don't think that's terribly fair. Since Modern Warfare, every title in the Call of Duty series has been successful, both commercially and critically.

Guitar Hero has gone down hill, but to be fair, the studio that /created/ Guitar Hero, Harmonix, was purchased by EA. Neversoft has done alright with the series, but I'm convinced that Harmonix is, has been, and will continue to be the premier music title studio.

Tony Hawk . . . ok, that sucks now. Dunno how you could go from Tony Hawk 1, 2, and 3 to the suck that is Tony Hawk now.

And lets not forget the Blizzard side of the business. Have they "milked" WoW? Or Starcraft? Diablo? Each successive entry in these series has been (or will be) great.

Activision is just monetizing its IPs. As long as they keep up the quality of most of their portfolio, they aren't "milking" anything--they're giving us what we want.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2010 8:45AM Nook said

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@Voshempa

Your reference to titles like RE, Mario, ect are out of line in this case.

How many years did it take for RE to reach 5? How often is a 'true' Mario platformer released? Galaxy is the exception.

I think a series that has a regular schedule of releases every couple of years can fall into the milking it camp.

Take Zelda for example, the game really hasn't changed since ALTTP - yet it doesn't seem to be milked because the titles aren't coming out every two years. This of course does not excuse the repetitiveness of the titles, however the public at large does not feel like N is milking it.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2010 2:32PM commonperson said

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@MystileArmor Let me start by saying I agree with you 100% but the main problem is while you view games as Art Kotick does not. He views them as business and that is how his choices and decisions are always driven.

While art and business can work hand in hand they often are at cross purposes.
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Posted: Nov 11th 2010 9:31AM Rocketboy said

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@MystileArmor "Music is art, and art is supposed to come from your heart and it is supposed to be something you can be proud of."

Wow, tell that to all of the classical composers who were paid to write songs. The Art =/= Commercial myth is just that, a myth.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:40PM pkpk523 said

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Feelings for Kotick, Activision, and their practices aside, this was one of the best written articles i've seen on joystiq in a while. thanks.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:46PM betabetamax said

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@pkpk523 Agreed!
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:43PM neftones said

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Well, he's right about Brutal Legend. Like many others, I wanted to love that game, but it ended up being a major disappointment.

Can't wait to read the rest of this interview. Great stuff.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:00PM Mazrael said

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@neftones
Loved it.. except the RTS battle/multiplayer part
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:43PM The Aquacharger said

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So what about them wanting to turn Brutal Legend into a GH game? Which Warrior sof Rock is just that.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:47PM betabetamax said

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@The Aquacharger It probably would have sold better.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:44PM chrisredfield31 said

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When someone loans you money they're gonna want it back, especially 20 million dollars.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:19PM SnorlaxTheSerialKiller said

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@chrisredfield31

Most of the time they won't get it, though.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:45PM betabetamax said

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It really is the hard side of the business. It's only after a year and a half boner for brutal legend, I can really look back at how much of a mess that game was. It oozed creativity anf character and was a dud of a game. If I had millions riding on it I, would of walked too.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:48PM ijustw1n said

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Do we really believe that as a CEO of a major company that he makes every decision? Does everyone who believes that only work in retail? It's very clear in a corporation that there are wings and controls setup that control the decisions you people hate. He is a figurehead and exists simply to deal with investors. Any hate for him is wholly misguided.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 9:11PM MacMog said

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@ijustw1n

No, we don’t believe that CEOs make every decision, but major decisions like what projects to cancel, yeah, some/many/most do. If you know of a figurehead CEO, please alert that company’s shareholders because they could save a lot on salary (or at least hire a more entertaining exec).
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:50PM Xoonaka said

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Wait wait... Joystiq doesn't go to events like Captivate due to "potential conflict of interests".... but... they are totally cool with some high powered CEO treating at a "posh Beverly Hills hotel"?

Aside from that, I don't really believe anything he's saying. Glad the "water" he provided you convinced you, though.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:53PM chrisgrant said

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@Xoonaka

I'm pretty sure I'm allowed into the Beverly Hills Hotel, whether or not I was with Mr. Kotick. I wasn't staying there, I met him there for an interview. And I had already eaten, so all I got was a water. It was really just a convenient setting.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:58PM neftones said

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@Xoonaka

what the hell are you even talking about. ignorant kids like you are why gamers have a bad reputation.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:13PM Foetoid said

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@Xoonaka

Chris Grant is so cool, he OWNS that hotel. He LET Kotick come in for the interview.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:32PM That Burning Sensation said

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@chrisgrant

You should respond to comments more often, but not to idiotic ones like this.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2010 1:18AM TheDarkWayne said

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@Brockobama321 please say something else completely ridiculous and offensive so Chris can ban you
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Posted: Nov 9th 2010 8:54AM Xoonaka said

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@chrisgrant

I'm pretty sure you're allowed in Hawaii as well, but you didn't go there...

Bah, I don't know. don't mind me, I'm still bitter about the whole Captivate thing.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:51PM Teancum said

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I can't say I disagree with Bobby on this one. Kotick can occasionally be "a prick", but that's more just him being a good businessman for the stockholders, rather than a gamer's CEO. Schafer, on the other hand thinks he's God's gift to gamers. And honestly Brutal Legend was far from legendary. Fun? Sure. But for one play through, then it got turned in.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:55PM Shadowbender said

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Be honest, Chris. Is the man evil or not?

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 8:00PM chrisgrant said

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@Shadowbender

Well, I got a water and he got FRESH BABY BLOOD so you tell me.
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