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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:23PM Daruna said

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"Microsoft does not condone the modification of its products. With Kinect, Microsoft built in numerous hardware and software safeguards designed to reduce the chances of product tampering. Microsoft will continue to make advances in these types of safeguards and work closely with law enforcement and product safety groups to keep Kinect tamper-resistant."

God damnit Microshit.

This is why I hate EULAs that practically say "hey, by the way, you're pretty much renting this from us. It's not really yours." If someone pays upwards of $200 for the sodding thing, they should be allowed to break it without fear of "law enforcement" to come knocking. Ridiculous.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:24PM Daruna said

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@Daruna To clarify, "break" is in the context which Microsoft outlines in their terms. Like, to modify for use that isn't what it was made for. I personally think it's a harmless thing to do. Getting more use out of something would lead to _MORE SALES_.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:46PM Dirty said

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@Daruna

Microsoft isnt going to do anything about it. They have to cover their ass so they dont get sued. This is all lawyer talk for, "if you take apart our product and turn it into a world ending robot army that's not our fault, we thought you would use it to learn how to dance".
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:57PM Bewoulf said

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@Dirty
LoL

I thought this is a highlight of any new technology released, getting it into the hands of the public who aren't bound by (very many) laws and profit to turn the device into something bad ass.

I've played LittleBigPlanet, I've looked at Bethesda's User mods, I browse engadget every day and look at the many things people do with NES cartridges. I know that if you get the technology of Kinect into the right hands they will turn it into a doomsday robot, instead of a dancing party machine.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:10PM PumaBoy said

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@Daruna

Actually they are saying we spent time and money creating this product that we do not want to be backwards engineered in China to create a lame system all based on the hard work of other people.

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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:21PM ShadowXIII said

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@Daruna

Beat me to it, if you rightfully paid in either goods or fair trade, then its *yours* you can do anything you damn well please with it.

That's the same as going to somewhere to eat, paying for a burger, then after you sit down to eat, you pull the burger apart, season it with your own seasoning....and then a manager in the back comes out raising hell that you can't do it, or if your at home a closet gnome bearing the company logo, screaming "You can't do that." to the tune of the theme of the Friend's TV show, and then jacks your underwear as punishment.

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.........well at least the first one.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:31PM JCDoe said

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@Daruna

MS doesn't want people reverse engineering the brand new product the just spent zillions of dollars on. Those bastards!!!
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 4:24PM Spookimitsu said

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@JCDoe
haters gone hate
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 6:17PM Courtney said

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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:28PM PR0F3TA said

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i read this over at Engadget, he said he has no plans on releasing said hack to the public, but will continue to work on the hacked Kinect device. I just wonder what uses it could be used for

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:37PM Mister Darcy said

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@PR0F3TA

Netting himself a really sweet job somewhere I'd imagine.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:40PM einhanderkiller said

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@Mister Darcy
The Engadget article says that he is doing this "to integrate it into his company's commercial visualization suite CL Studio Live."

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/07/kinect-does-hackers-bidding-but-not-for-fortune-or-fame-video/
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:30PM solidsnake8282 said

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@PR0F3TA I think you are the only one who got it right ...... I live in Asia and we have phones that have the exact look and software of nokia and apple phones ... except the fact that they are knock -offs and cost practically nothing "about 50-70 dollar" ... and do not even have a web site for the manufacturer!! ... Microsoft would hate to suffer the same thing..
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:28PM Barkley610 said

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Nerd alert!!!!!
What's the point??

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:40PM PR0F3TA said

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@Barkley610

as of right now, not much really. but it seems to have a cool personal value.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:44PM oO Wallace Oo said

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@Barkley610

He is doing it for the same reason anyone on the internet does anything, for the lulz
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:45PM Raniz85 said

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@Barkley610
Using it's 3D tracking/sensing capabilities for other purposes than gaming.
Robotics and flashy UIs comes to mind rather easily, you'd also gain the ability to make games for it on PC instead of being limited to the 360.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:08PM ThePope said

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>implying /v/ is less of a shithole than /b/
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:53PM genericpuffs said

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@ThePope
Rules 1 and 2!
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:31PM jadalivs2ss said

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Now all we have to do is wait for hackers to unlock for Kinect's love core and we've got ourselves an early Wall-E prototype in the making -- the head, anyway....Right on track with all americans becoming fat asses.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:31PM Hyperion45 said

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"thankfully, it doesn't classify what it sees as 'edible' or 'non-edible'"

It doesn't need to classify things as such, because everything is automatically labeled "edible".

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:32PM smcn said

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That particular statement from Microsoft was actually in response to the original $1000 bounty, which led to Adafruit increasing it to $2000, and without a doubt further increased the motivation for someone to crack it. People don't take kindly to being told what they can and can't do with something they own.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:35PM Daruna said

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Ahhh, but they don't "own" it. Nobody owns anything, at least digitally. You sign your soul to the devil every time you click I Agree.

Legally binding, morally reprehensible.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:47PM Gaddes said

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@Daruna Hm, that actually makes me wonder. If he didn't actually click I Agree, does that mean he's safe from Microsoft's wrath? If this guy never went online with the device or just took it apart straight out of the box, then he probably never had to agree to the terms... so that would mean that he wouldn't have to be held to them... right?
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:34PM emperorzeroxx said

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Probably the only reason we don't have wall E type of robots in this time isn't because technology won't allow it, its because the stupid law does not allow people to modify products like this..

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:35PM 343 Guilty Fart said

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Didn't the Library of Congress recently authorize the use of hacking/jailbreaking your own electronics? How is modding a Kinect a violation of the law, unless you try to take it on XBL?

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:40PM EvoHelix said

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I have no reason to buy one unless there will be some neat hacks for it. Microsoft, what about my dollar? Wouldn't you like my dollar?

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:44PM Gaddes said

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"work closely with law enforcement"

Really? The guy bought your shitty device... I would think that now that it's his property he ought to be able to take it apart as much as he wants. Is there some ridiculous fine print that says otherwise? This is what I hate about EULAs.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:56PM Daruna said

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@Gaddes Possibly. I am referring mostly to digital things, like installing software. Unless you manually extract those .cab archives, or whatever sort of encryption the installer uses, you're agreeing to the terms they lay out. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to use the thing you bought, with your money, WITHOUT agreeing to the terms. Which is stupid, and which is why EULAs should be abolished. Copyright, in minute doses (to protect the developer's IP, in order to guarantee that nobody copies the work and *turns a profit from it*) is fine, but draconian chokeholds that force you to either sign a blank check or not use the thing you bought is inherently flawed.

How it's lasted so long, I have no idea...

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:10PM Cougarcat said

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@Daruna It is not illegal to violate a EULA. Look at the iPhone--Jailbreaking is against Apple's EULA, but the library of congress declared it legal.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2010 2:59PM APV said

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This is not hacking.

This is just relaying commands (like up and down) and receiving info back (like the accelerometer data.) The guy just knows a little about it. The device itself hasn't been hacked.

This is bull.

I'll be back when you can actually hack it. Which you can't. Because it's a webcam.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:08PM EDZiLLUH said

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make C-3P0

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:14PM shopping bags said

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microsft isn't gonna do anything they are just covering their own asses from getting sued apple Sony nintemdo does this shit too people hack new electronics all the time nothing wrong with that.unless of course ur using it to pirate/cheat online

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 3:35PM cheezitman2001 said

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Did somebody say Kinect-headed robot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JbNsReqkB8

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 4:17PM dabamf said

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These hackers need to create a better Kinect for Apple and then have their memories erased, ala "Paycheck." Maybe they already have, I can't remember!

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 4:37PM juggalotusmx said

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scare tactic # 34

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 4:46PM golobulus said

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i always knew stickpeople were real.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 5:17PM mmmfishtacos said

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Yes, already! Sweet, now the people that hack the playstation eye need to get a hold of it, This will make on sweet cheap 3d scanner. Never like the kinect for what ms wan't to use it for, but it's good for cool shit like 3d modeling.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 6:09PM Prboi said

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So many activities! It's making my head spin on all the activities we can do.

Posted: Nov 8th 2010 7:14PM 2late2die said

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Microsoft's response is such a canned statement of douchebaggery! Do they honestly think this guy went through all that trouble just so he can pirate kinetimals or something. He's way too busy doing cool shit with kinect to actually bother with your lame ass games.

Posted: Nov 9th 2010 5:05AM ghostbuddy said

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Haha. Good luck working with the authorities on this Microsoft. Your not going to get anywhere.

The guy is manipulating his property, to his ends. Without breaking any laws. That my friends is called reasonable usage. This guy could hack his kinect, and program his computer to use it, and theres not a damn thing you can do. All you can do, is to make that job harder for him.

You can't come into his home, and tell him what he can, or can't do with his property. The goverment can, only in so far that he is breaking the law. Manipulating property to learn something from it, or to repurpose it isn't illegal. How many of the people who worked on the hardware side, of Kinect, do you wajor, dismantled a PC to figure out how it works, when they were younger? If dell told them, "you can't do that", what would they have thought?


What do you gain by doing this? Oh yeah. You want to copy and paste this hardware/software, rebrand it, and re-release it, for the PC at a hiked price, five to ten years from now. Well lets be honest. The markets going to let you get away with that, even if a (relatively) small group of people, get their kinect to work with their PC.

This is the sort of thing, that convinces people capitalism impedes technological advancement. If they can figure out kinect, they can hack it. If they can hack it, they can get it to work for PCs. If they can get it to work for PCs, they can create and modify any software to use the device. six months from now, their will be a school, somewhere, teaching students how to perform a, life saving surgery, with kinect enabled PCs. Whoops, you just accidentally streamlined education that requires "hands on" experience,, and made it ten times more accessible in the developing world. You better stomp your feet, issue a condemnation, and call the authorities.

Or...You can hand the world instructions on how to hack kinect. Donate a decent supply of them to charities. Particularly those interested in education. And encourage them to develop software, that makes their goals that much more reachable. Then get free publicity on just about every major news network, the world over. And a 100 years from now, kinect will be seen as something more than a novel, exercise in vanity. But a technological invention that was a vital part of developing some parts of the world. And better yet (with your priorities anyways), this will increase sales of Kinect, improve your ever slipping image, and hype up the motion control hardware, designed for the pc specifically.

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