During a recent investor call, Marvelous Entertainment, the publisher best known for its Harvest Moon games, revealed its budget range for 3DS game development. According to the transcription of the call's Q&A session (as translated by 1UP), a Marvelous representative said that, "while costs vary based on game content," the company would spend an estimated ¥50 million to ¥150 million ($600K to $1.8M) on the development of a single 3DS game. Currently, Marvelous has two 3DS projects in the works, a Harvest Moon game and a zoo sim called Animal Resort.
Not surprisingly, Marvelous' 3DS spending money is significantly higher than the ¥4.4 million to ¥43.9 million per title (roughly $50K–525K) Japanese companies spent on developing (regular) DS games last year, according to data gathered by TGS sponsor and promotional organization CESA. More interestingly, Marvelous' ¥150-million cap for a 3DS game represents a figure more than double the cost of the last year's most expensive Japanese PSP title, which, while unnamed, cost ¥59.2 million to develop by CESA's account. (The cheapest PSP game cost its maker just ¥3 million.)
If Marvelous' budget is indicative of other companies' 3DS game costs -- and, certainly, some of these guys are likely to splurge -- then developing for the platform could prove more expensive than for Wii, where last year's most expensive Japanese project topped out at ¥116 million. In an era when budget gaming is dominating the handheld market, and following the disastrous combination of costly PSP game development and rampant piracy, the 3DS could be as ill-fated as the 3D technology that requires you to wear glasses.
Well, that, or it'll just "print money" ... in 3D.
Reader Comments (33)
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 7:10PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said
That gif is better than Alyssa Milano naked on a mechanical bull.
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 8:08PM Premature ejaculation man said
@Captain Planet Planeteer Power
I disagree
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I disagree
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 8:35PM A Sandwich said
@Premature ejaculation man
Who are you kidding? A gif like that would be wasted on you!
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Who are you kidding? A gif like that would be wasted on you!
Posted: Nov 20th 2010 11:26AM s1l3n70n3 said
@Torch
Excellent troll. You derailed the first thread so that your post is one of the first seen, and that is exquisite. Next, you openly show that you have a heavy bias towards one system. Finally, you use a time tested argument about the current gen DS and shovelware. WELL DONE 7/10.
The 3DS and PSP2 hold the power to mark a paradigm shift in gaming culture and game development. With the increased power of these systems it could mark a trend towards near AAA level development on a handheld. If the gaming population starts "taking seriously" not only the gameplay but the graphical quality of handhelds, we could see a rise in development costs and an increased interest in portable gaming.
The problem will not be with the 3DS, it will be with Marvelous who does not wish to lead the revolution.
TL;DR: cheap games will not a bad handheld make
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What GIF?
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Excellent troll. You derailed the first thread so that your post is one of the first seen, and that is exquisite. Next, you openly show that you have a heavy bias towards one system. Finally, you use a time tested argument about the current gen DS and shovelware. WELL DONE 7/10.
The 3DS and PSP2 hold the power to mark a paradigm shift in gaming culture and game development. With the increased power of these systems it could mark a trend towards near AAA level development on a handheld. If the gaming population starts "taking seriously" not only the gameplay but the graphical quality of handhelds, we could see a rise in development costs and an increased interest in portable gaming.
The problem will not be with the 3DS, it will be with Marvelous who does not wish to lead the revolution.
TL;DR: cheap games will not a bad handheld make
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What GIF?
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 7:11PM Playace said
Well it already has my money so you take a guess
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 7:12PM KaBob799 said
I highly doubt the addition of 3d doubles the cost to develop games.
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 7:37PM TechNick said
@KaBob799
No, it doesn't. But the 3DS isn't just a regular DS with a new 3D screen, it is an entire new system. (think of it as the DS 2...because that IS what it is) It is more graphically capable than the Wii. Thus, the more advanced the game, the more it will cost to make.
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No, it doesn't. But the 3DS isn't just a regular DS with a new 3D screen, it is an entire new system. (think of it as the DS 2...because that IS what it is) It is more graphically capable than the Wii. Thus, the more advanced the game, the more it will cost to make.
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 10:44PM KaBob799 said
@TechNick
it is not more graphically capable than the wii lol.
I know it's a next gen DS, but they said double the price of last years -most- expensive psp game. Compared to ds game prices, it's probably way more than double. Now maybe they are making console quality games in terms of features/length, but the graphics alone could not cost that much.
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it is not more graphically capable than the wii lol.
I know it's a next gen DS, but they said double the price of last years -most- expensive psp game. Compared to ds game prices, it's probably way more than double. Now maybe they are making console quality games in terms of features/length, but the graphics alone could not cost that much.
Posted: Nov 20th 2010 12:38AM SheppyReturns said
@KaBob799
Next time you play a game to the end, start counting the number of artists on the project. This is texture, environmental, character, animation, etc. Those are artists...
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Next time you play a game to the end, start counting the number of artists on the project. This is texture, environmental, character, animation, etc. Those are artists...
Posted: Nov 20th 2010 5:11AM Foetoid said
@TechNick
Lulwut? More capable than the Wii? Specs on this thing just barely put it at scraping at the Ps2, maybe. The Ps2 had half the graphical capability of the GC, and the Wii is just over double again what the GC can do. For someone with Tech in your name, you sure are clueless about technology.
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Lulwut? More capable than the Wii? Specs on this thing just barely put it at scraping at the Ps2, maybe. The Ps2 had half the graphical capability of the GC, and the Wii is just over double again what the GC can do. For someone with Tech in your name, you sure are clueless about technology.
Posted: Nov 21st 2010 5:04AM Extinction said
@Foetoid Hell, PSP1 is more powerful than 3DS.
PSP has 2, 333 mhz processors, 166 mhz GPU, 32 MB RAM (64 in the slims). , 2 MB VRAM (4 in the slims)
3DS has 2, 266 mhz processors, 133 mhz GPU, 64 MB of RAM, 4 MB of VRAM
PSP2 will be a quantum leap over 3DS, like PSP was over DS.
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PSP has 2, 333 mhz processors, 166 mhz GPU, 32 MB RAM (64 in the slims). , 2 MB VRAM (4 in the slims)
3DS has 2, 266 mhz processors, 133 mhz GPU, 64 MB of RAM, 4 MB of VRAM
PSP2 will be a quantum leap over 3DS, like PSP was over DS.
Posted: Nov 23rd 2010 5:50PM Serenade said
@Extinction
First of all, neither of the 3 PSP revisions after the original have 4mb of VRAM. None. All PSP variations have 2mb.
Secondly, both ARM processors and MIPS processors can't simply be compared clockspeed-by-clockspeed the way you've just done. Hardware is most certainly not the place to play by-numbers-games, especially so when ARM doesn't manufacture ARM11 cores clocked at 266mhz. The closest processors ARM manufactures at that speed are at 427mhz so it's very likely that Nintendo downclocked them for whatever reason (likely in the interest of battery life and power consumption). Sony had 333mhz MIPS processors i the PSP downclocked to 222mhz until quite a bit of time into it's life cycle. As a result, aside from a few attempts, we really haven't seen many games take advantage of that.
We also don't know what variation of the PICA200 GPU the 3DS is using so that rumored 133mhz clock speed could be very well capable.
Honestly, you I don't know what you are talking about.
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First of all, neither of the 3 PSP revisions after the original have 4mb of VRAM. None. All PSP variations have 2mb.
Secondly, both ARM processors and MIPS processors can't simply be compared clockspeed-by-clockspeed the way you've just done. Hardware is most certainly not the place to play by-numbers-games, especially so when ARM doesn't manufacture ARM11 cores clocked at 266mhz. The closest processors ARM manufactures at that speed are at 427mhz so it's very likely that Nintendo downclocked them for whatever reason (likely in the interest of battery life and power consumption). Sony had 333mhz MIPS processors i the PSP downclocked to 222mhz until quite a bit of time into it's life cycle. As a result, aside from a few attempts, we really haven't seen many games take advantage of that.
We also don't know what variation of the PICA200 GPU the 3DS is using so that rumored 133mhz clock speed could be very well capable.
Honestly, you I don't know what you are talking about.
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 7:18PM Morph156 said
I LOVE this line "could be as ill-fated as the 3D technology that requires you to wear glasses."
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 7:26PM 182 said
man seeing that 3DS image was like a slap on the face. It's Coming. and SOON. I cannot wait for it!
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 8:17PM Crayola Q Pants ESQ said
Mo polygons mo problems
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 8:33PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said
Well, this will certainly be interesting...
With budgets that high for 3DS games... should we be expecting $40-50 pricetags for 3DS games? Oi...
With budgets that high for 3DS games... should we be expecting $40-50 pricetags for 3DS games? Oi...
Posted: Nov 20th 2010 12:41AM SheppyReturns said
@BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam
Personally, I'm looking forward to everything that was wrong about the PSP (console price, console style games, price of games) will suddenly be right with the 3DS.
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Personally, I'm looking forward to everything that was wrong about the PSP (console price, console style games, price of games) will suddenly be right with the 3DS.
Posted: Nov 20th 2010 1:42AM Voshempa said
@SheppyReturns
Are you talking about launch PSP or how it is now? If now, then those are the things that brought me to the PSP. Great price, great library, and the prices are definitely reasonable. If you are talking about launch, then I have no comment (I don't pay too much attention to handheld/portable launches because I like to give it some time to establish a foothold before I decide if it's something I want to pursue).
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Are you talking about launch PSP or how it is now? If now, then those are the things that brought me to the PSP. Great price, great library, and the prices are definitely reasonable. If you are talking about launch, then I have no comment (I don't pay too much attention to handheld/portable launches because I like to give it some time to establish a foothold before I decide if it's something I want to pursue).
Posted: Nov 21st 2010 5:05AM Extinction said
@SheppyReturns Except those werent what was wrong with PSP. It cost more cause it was more powerful. Games cost more cause they took more effor to make and were higher quality. Dont expect handouts
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Posted: Nov 22nd 2010 7:37PM xxxsam said
@Extinction where 'higher quality' is secret code for 'PS2 rejects', right? Or have we all forgotten the first 2 years of PSP software... sure, PSP has great software NOW. For those first years, pretty much every game (ok exaggerating, but still) was basically a technical demonstration of how the PSP graphics were almost as good as the graphics in the near-identical PS2 game that you already played a year before. Yawn.
Let's hope 3DS manages to avoid the same fate because you could easily imagine them porting Wii games and even (with graphics drop, simplification) many PS3/60 games onto the thing... and doing that kind of port rather than an original game is bound to make a big cut in the price tag. Even if the game gets an accurate port, it would still be somewhat pointless to get the 3DS version of a game designed for consoles.
So hopefully, they will come out with handheld-specific games from the start with this system. Fingers crossed.
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Let's hope 3DS manages to avoid the same fate because you could easily imagine them porting Wii games and even (with graphics drop, simplification) many PS3/60 games onto the thing... and doing that kind of port rather than an original game is bound to make a big cut in the price tag. Even if the game gets an accurate port, it would still be somewhat pointless to get the 3DS version of a game designed for consoles.
So hopefully, they will come out with handheld-specific games from the start with this system. Fingers crossed.
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 9:09PM realm2nine said
MUST....BUY......SHINY....NEW....BLACK.....PLASTIC.....GAME....THINGY......
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 9:11PM Yothe said
I haven't played a harvest moon game in like 10 years. I wonder if they'll finally have enough changes to warrant a sequel.
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 9:44PM jrhawk42 said
Keep in mind this is only one companies spending. According to Ubisoft their budget for DS games was $785,000-$1.57m, and their games cost just as much as other DS titles.
Game costs are pretty much whatever consumers are willing to pay. In the current gen developers guessed that games were willing to pay $60 for titles, and they were right (this guess was based on sales of more expensive "collectors editions", and it looks like the trend will continue next gen). I doubt we'll see a rise in handheld prices cause consumers haven't really been buying games at the current price mark.
Game costs are pretty much whatever consumers are willing to pay. In the current gen developers guessed that games were willing to pay $60 for titles, and they were right (this guess was based on sales of more expensive "collectors editions", and it looks like the trend will continue next gen). I doubt we'll see a rise in handheld prices cause consumers haven't really been buying games at the current price mark.
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 10:15PM TheTARDIS said
Yeah. Somehow I doubt Petz: 3DS is gonna cost anywhere near that much.
Posted: Nov 19th 2010 11:10PM Jinketsu said
That list (from the older post) has always been missing Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time as one of the games in development.
Also, I'm sure by now there must be quite a few more games to add to that list. Can we expect to see an updated list soon? Or maybe a complete launch list when the system inevitably gets pushed back for a few more months? :P
Also, I'm sure by now there must be quite a few more games to add to that list. Can we expect to see an updated list soon? Or maybe a complete launch list when the system inevitably gets pushed back for a few more months? :P
Posted: Nov 20th 2010 12:09PM BigD145 said
Extendable stylus? Great. I can't even find one of those for my DSPhat. My long fingers will rejoice.
Posted: Nov 21st 2010 4:56AM Extinction said
You cant have awesome graphics with no budget. Those of you who expected it to be cheap must have been expected DS graphics
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