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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:05PM Coldplay619 said

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That study can suck my dual screens

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:45PM Bewoulf said

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@Coldplay619
I do agree with you 100%, don't get me wrong. These phone companies (namely Apple) make Nintendo's handheld business out like it's failing. The DS is extremely successful and moreso for gaming than iPod touch ever will be. But I'm excited for the PSP Phone and Windows Phones for the fact that perhaps we'll get some SERIOUS gaming on phones now. That's when I think phone gaming will be on the rise. For now, iPhone doesn't have much. The only hardcore games I want are FF1 and FF2... and I have GBA versions of both :)
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:29AM pluupy said

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@Aguiluz
That study can suck my 55" HD-TV.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:47AM PN04 said

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@Coldplay619 Seriously, Every cell phone on the planet can play some sort of game and as phones get more powerful just for the sake of being about to do quicker text messaging so does their capability to play games but that doesn't makes them "game machines", just machines that play games. Games like Bejeweled 17 and Tetris 163 which have nothing on serious games like God of War or some sort of RPG. I can't think of a single cellphone game with the depth of a true 30 dollar or more game.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 1:52AM golobulus said

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have we reached that point where people buy phones with games being the #1 reason for use? i've been under a rock for the past 24 hours.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:13PM Urmomlikesme said

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I'd dump my iPhone for that PSPhone if it works properly.

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:19PM Xeno378 said

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@Urmomlikesme

Same here. If that thing is as good/better than a PSP AND a phone with features comparable to (or better than) an iPhone, consider me sold.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:42PM einhanderkiller said

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@Xeno378
It's Android 2.3 Gingerbread so you know the phone features are better than the iPhone.
And it's PlayStation so you know the games will be better than the iPhone.

So... yeah. I think you're sold.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:16AM Xeno378 said

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@einhanderkiller

Shh! I wanted to leave people in suspense.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:31AM pluupy said

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@Xeno378

If it took UMDs many people will loose their virginity to it.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 4:33AM mikezaha said

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@Urmomlikesme
Agreed. All in one gadget eh? If it works fine, for sure I'll get one, bye UMDs
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:13PM Poor Tom said

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I don't see anything surprising about the fact that more people game on phones when it's obvious to any idiot that many more people own phones, and as time goes on more will own phones that can play games. durrrrrrrrrrrrr

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 6:15AM Xsingular said

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@Poor Tom
I don't always hurp.....
but when I do... I durrrr.....
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:14PM BigD145 said

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DS and PSP releases are slower and have a few hurdles to jump through. Phone games are made overnight, in many cases, and are clones of each other, in most cases.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:26AM smoothy said

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@BigD145

Right...but unlike cell phones, the DS actually has AAA games. See, that's the thing that no one wants to bring up. No matter what cell phones do, they will never have Mario and Mario, my friend, is the be all, end all.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 7:17AM commonperson said

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@smoothy That's a bit presumptious at this point. Remember it took years for the handheld market to reach what it has. You have attempts at AAA titles but it takes time to develop the market cachet. Also, in the cellphone market it's a lot more like early game development where everyone and their brother can make an app. There's some market control at Apple but it's non-existent on Android (one of the 'selling factors' of the platform.)

For me I got the iPhone because I was tired of carrying around a cell phone and an mp3 player. Most people are like this, if I had a choice between one or multiple devices I'd choose one. The key is getting the hardware and software to the point it's giving equivilent experiences. It's not there yet but it's getting there. There are a lot of games coming out soon that blow PSPs and Gameboys out of the water. Also there are classic games (like Square-Enix's back catalogue) being released on iPhone. Honestly, it's only a matter of time until stand alone devices disapear and I highly doubt Nintendo are already floating baloons for cell phone/game devices.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 6:05PM BigD145 said

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@commonperson All those tower defense games are not going to blow any DS game out of the water. They can't even come close to black and white GB games.
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Posted: Dec 11th 2010 4:24AM hami83 said

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@BigD145 Yes, but all those other games you're ignoring such as Rage, Ashphalt, most Gameloft games, many EA, Square, Activision games are really close or just as good as dedicated gaming system games.

People like to trash shovelware on the app store, but the majority of the DS library is shovelware.

The only valid argument against smartphone gaming in my mind is that smart phone lacks buttons which kills certain games that need precision and timing.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:15PM Magetf said

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It doesn't surprise me that there are people that don't play their DS, there are over 100 million of those things around and they don't sell nearly enough software. People buy a DS for one casual game, and then have a hard time finding anything else that suits their tastes, so it's no shock that they move to an iPhone and it's 99 cent library.

The PSP was dead on arrival comment seems a bit short sighted, sure it didn't overtake the DS but they moved over 60 million hardware and have moved a good bit of software (IIRC there are like 40 games that sold > 1 million). Sure it could have been more successful, but it certainly wasn't DOA.

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:19PM A Sandwich said

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@Magetf

The DS consumer you just described doesn't exist.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:30PM Esposch said

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@A Sandwich

They most definitely do, if you consider Pokemon a casual game.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:49PM Bewoulf said

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@Magetf
I disagree and at my height I owned about 10-15 DS games and could have easily bought more had I not felt oversaturated with games at the time (PSP, DS, PS3 and Wii).

Only an idiot would consider PSP DOA. I'm not going to say it outsold Nintendo, but even sony didn't think it would outsell nintendo. Their only goal was like the original Xbox; they don't expect it to be the #1 seller, they are just trying to penetrate the market so that next time around they can make more of a dent. When you look at the graveyard of handhelds from other companies, I think sony succeeded in that respect. Plus Nintendo is one of this companies that, when pushed hard enough, will really pull the rabbit out of their butts and innovate.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 11:05PM Diodax said

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@Esposch

That's a big if.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 11:08PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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@A Sandwich
Brain Age.

BAM!
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:33AM pluupy said

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@Magetf
Strange. Why do I own about 20 or so DS games...?
Clearly I am not the average person as the DS sucks, apparently.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:50AM Magetf said

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@Magetf

I never said every, I never said your average, it's just there are some people that buy a DS for some cutesy game they saw on TV (Brain Age, Nintendogs, etc) and then they go back to the store and see shelves filled with schlock and games they have no interest in, and that leads them to frustration and they put the DS in a drawer and forget about it. That might not describe you, but with 140 million DS out there software sales just don't support that all of these are being used and I just used a trend I saw in real life as an example of what happens.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:16PM creid8 said

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Yet, mysteriously, the PSP has had its best week [almost] ever in Japan. I guess we shouldn't tell that to Interpret?

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 11:12PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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@creid8
The PSP does better in Japan due to its big focus on ad-hoc multiplayer (Monster Hunter), which to Japanese game players, is more important than online multiplayer.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:16PM Prboi said

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I think this is because everyone usually has an iphone or android phone to play gameson & that will appeal to them more than buying a PSP or a DS

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:17PM mac15444 said

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Phones can only do so much with a touchscreen. You need a much more precise control scheme to play more complicated games. Unless (take Apple for instance) comes up with a phone that can offer precision controls and core games, they will not take the lead role in mobile gaming.

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 11:12PM SoCoolCurt said

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@mac15444

yea i think the future is somewhere in between the two. with phones becoming more and more powerful, they can play games normally only found on normal handhelds. but at the same time, i' don't think people are fans of playing for an extended time without actual buttons. so basically, if you give me a handheld with a phone in it and some apps and we're talking. then you open up for a bigger handheld online gaming community which i think would be awesome. Playstation phone looks to be hitting on all points so far.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:18PM A Sandwich said

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I think Nintendo will survive because Nintendo has a knack for finding gimmicks that people want to be a part of. But I don't think Sony has that same talent. For some reason, it feels like Sony (in the last 5-7 years) has this exaggerated knee-jerk reaction to whatever consumers are currently demanding. They're like Hank Scorpio on crack.

"You don't like the boomerang design?! Neither do we, we'll just use the same controller we always have!"

"You guys like the Wii? Hey, don't go anywhere, we can make a Wii!"

"You like Live? Well now you can pay for PSN!"

So to survive in the handheld market I think that Sony has no choice but to make a PlayStation phone.

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:47PM mmmfishtacos said

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@A Sandwich I think they will both survive, to say so other wise would just be foolish, All 3 have been ripping each other off for a long time. So don't act like it's a sony thing. Cause it isn't. Beside the move has been around before anyone knew what a wii was going to be. A live just rip off what the pc was doing long before it. Everything comes from something else.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 11:01PM A Sandwich said

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@mmmfishtacos

Calm down, dude, I'm not saying that Sony is awful, just that they seem unfocused. Seriously, what's the last great gimmick that came from the PlayStation camp? Blu-ray? I think they wanted it to be 3D but that'll go down as Nintendo's win after the 3DS is released. I mean, Xbox is known for hardcore shooters, Xbox Live, and now, Kinect. Nintendo is known for Mario, the DS and motion controls. What's Sony known for? I mean outside hardcore gaming circles, of course.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:22PM Prboi said

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@Guts

They won't die out. They will adapt. Sony is already doing that with PSPGo. I think when PSP2 & 3DS come out, they will have a big DL section so that they can combat this trend. They started handheld gaming & they are not going out without a fight

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:29PM KillTheApex said

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I think Pachter is right for the most part.

I always have my phone. I am not going to carry a dedicated gaming device with me plus my phone. I don't want serious, in-depth games on the go. That's what I have a console for. Phone games are timekillers.

Nintendo and Sony are being left behind. If they focus and don't panic, they have a chance of not losing the entire market to phones.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 1:12AM SteveoftheGods said

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@KillTheApex they'll never lose the entire market, because there are people like me who NEED the next Kid Icarus and Orcarina of Time, and all the other 3DS games.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:33PM Enosoma said

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In all honesty, how could the DS and PSP market NOT stagnate? 99% of the people who want either of those things have them. In fact, I'm betting that a large number of DS and PSP sales in the past year or so were re-purchases -- consumers who bought a system, and again a new handheld after the hardware was redesigned.

I'm not an expert, but it all just seems sort of obvious that after what iOS has done for portable gaming that the market would drift this way.

Now I'm only waiting for a touch screen iSomething with dual autostereoscopic displays, four 10 MP cameras, and a built-in toaster.

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:41PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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That's cool.

I'll continue playing all the great games that continue to be released on the DS and PSP.

....with, y'know, buttons.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:17AM Xeno378 said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

The rumored PSP phone, you know, in the picture up there? It has buttons.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 2:07AM KillaPat said

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@Xeno378
Well he did say PSP. I would assume a PSP phone would still be in the PSP family as PSP is in the name for the time being.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 7:03AM AmethystHarp said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze
Yeah... let they play SFIV on their iOS or something and cry everytime that need to do a shoryuken...
Noobs without buttons... pff...
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:52PM MiguelAMX said

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REAL gamers would want PSP and DS.
People who think they are gamers want IOS games.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:18AM KillTheApex said

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@MiguelAMX Wrong. What are you? 12?
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 2:09AM KillaPat said

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@KillTheApex
You must be one of those people who think they are a gamer.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 5:00AM KillTheApex said

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@KillaPat And you must be up past your bedtime.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:59AM briscott said

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@MiguelAMX The problem is there are more and more of the latter and less of the former these days. It's much easier and cheaper to buy a $1.99 iOS game, downloaded in 3 minutes than ordering or going to the store to get a $25 DS game that you have to carry separately from your phone that is on you all the time. I kinda agree in that way, that phones are much more convenient gaming devices.

Now I'm getting the 3DS, and I'll love it. But I can see both sides
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 11:02PM Helghast102 said

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Another study says that games made specifically for a dedicated gaming platform are better than phone games, "what study" you say? MINE.

Posted: Dec 7th 2010 11:03PM billysea said

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Single-function devices like the Kindle and Nook are selling crazy. They do (mostly) one thing and do it extremely well. Real readers want to read e-books on the Kindle and not on the iPad or phones.

I see the same thing for the 3DS.

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