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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:49PM Smokemonsta said

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Melee was amazing. Spent countless hours on it. If only brawls online wasn't broken and limited by the Wii. Could have been epic. All great games.

The man worked hard so we could play hard.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:53PM Riley Freeman said

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@Smokemonsta

I haven't played Brawl Online, But i am curious on how the Online is broken?
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:54PM KyGuyTC7 said

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@Riley Freeman
the primary problem is that friend codes just make it really difficult to play with friends
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:56PM captcarl said

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@Smokemonsta I wish I could "like" this comment, so I just rated you up my friend. On three computers.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:57PM MosquitoControl said

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@Smokemonsta I didn't think it was the online. Melee didn't have online and it was fine.

Brawl just felt clunky and slow relatively.


A shame. We used to keep the GameCube on 24/7 with Melee in. We'd play 3 or 4 player games usually at least 15 hours a week. For years. It was ridiculous how much we played that game - thousands of hours.

We got tired of Brawl within less than a week. It didn't feel as exciting or as much skill dependant. Arguably, though, it's a bit of an uncanny valley effect - it's so close to what we view as the real thing that minor differences are extra bothersome, whereas a bigger departure would be much less so.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:04PM Smokemonsta said

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@MosquitoControl & @Riley Freeman

The online is "broken" simply because it sucked.

I never have lag. In fact I am host many times in other games like halo. Yet I couldn't get a single 4 player match to go with friends (none of us could it would always lag out for someone or never connect)

Not to mention no real form of match making, and the friend system was such a nuisance.

It was about as bare bones as it gets. Mario Karts online was much better, didnt have much more functionality, but I didn't have a lag fest every game.

I loved brawl, it was a little floaty not as tight as melee, and online is only a plus but it would have given the game so much more if done right.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:35PM M4L said

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@Smokemonsta - "For years. It was ridiculous how much we played that game - thousands of hours."

Same here, a group of my friends literally wore out a few controllers with Melee. I have owned about a dozen consoles and the only console I had to replace controllers for was the GameCube, because of Smash Bros. Melee.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:09PM Drakkenfyre said

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Last time I tried online with Brawl, I couldn't get anyone. I sat there for ten minutes, and no one joined.

If anyone in the group lagged, it slowed everyone down. The game would slow down to match. I had matches where it was moving at like 5 FPS, and control input took several seconds to activate. That, and without friend codes, you saw no names. As far as you were concerned, you were fighting bots.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 6:30AM Juri said

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@MosquitoControl Hell yeah Mosquito, they need to make Smash Bros Melee 2
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 7:48PM flaboy909 said

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@M4L My friends and I played Melee so much that we wore out some controllers too. Also Melee is so timeless it's still sold for $30 on Amazon and Gamestop after nearly 10 years (depreciates well but kind of a ripoff)! I bought the game like 3 times a well (too many scratches on the first two disks).
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Posted: Dec 10th 2010 12:42AM Brodo said

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@Riley Freeman
Everything about the online is broken.
You cannot find a match, if you DO manage to find one it lags like crap, there is only 2 minute time matches, no local teams

Its awful
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Posted: Dec 10th 2010 2:16AM SoCoolCurt said

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@MosquitoControl

man, so many good memories of Melee. after playing it at my cousins house, i went a bought a Gamecube to play it. after that, me and my friends played the shit out of it for like 3 years, every Sunday night and occasionally a few times through the week. Brawl kept our attention for a little while but ultimately, we went back to Melee. man i'm going to have to try to get game night started again and break this bad boy out again!
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:49PM Riley Freeman said

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I still play that game from time to time. I love it.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:50PM SteveoftheGods said

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Brawl > Melee

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:53PM KyGuyTC7 said

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@SteveoftheGods
Melee>Brawl
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:37PM Greippi said

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@SteveoftheGods
Brawl = Melee

We should all put our differences aside and love them equally :D
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:56PM AntiVillian said

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@Greippi

I hate them equally!
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 12:37AM SteveoftheGods said

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@Greippi I love em both a ton, have hundreds of hours on each. I just like Brawl more.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 7:37AM Wazzup4567 said

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@SteveoftheGods Original > Brawl = Melee

And I never noticed Weegee in the background until now XD

and I. Love. Temple.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 12:43PM junhotak said

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@Wazzup4567
WEEGEE!!! I SHAT BRIX!!!
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:57PM Gate Stormer said

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Not that it's hard to find, but I wish I never sold my copy of Brawl. Unfortunately I had to sell it for gas money/food about a year ago.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:23PM harusame said

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@Gate Stormer
Brawl > Food
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:57PM wcarnation said

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I like Brawl more than Melee, myself.

It's funnerer.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:58PM Faenix said

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Sadly I missed it :(

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 9:59PM Calatia said

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I've always preferred Melee to Brawl, it's just the better game in my opinion.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:23PM Nolan North said

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@Calatia
The gameplay is tighter and faster, but in terms of game design, Brawl beats Melee in leaps and bounds. Just making a single player story mode made it better than Melee's game design of having to do Adventure Mode with all 27 characters. Subspace Emmisary only had to be played once.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:50PM Calatia said

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@Nolan North SSE was boring. Adventure Mode incorporated bits from all the universes from the characters, while SSE was just like Kirby Super Star with the various characters. You didn't have to play Adventure Mode with every character either.

The core gameplay is multiplayer, and Melee is a lot tighter and requires skill to master. Brawl relies on gimmicks like the Smash Ball. There might be a lot of characters, but it's not as fun a game.

Honestly the best part of Brawl was the web-site when everything was revealed, as well as the soundtrack. The game itself is average at best, certainly not the best in the series.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 3:28PM Invigilator said

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@Nolan North

The singleplayer in Brawl was garbage that shouldn't even be played once.

Either way, who the hell plays a Smash Bros game for the singleplayer? That's just to unlock more characters for multiplayer.
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Posted: Dec 10th 2010 7:04PM Nolan North said

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@Calatia
If you wanted to beat the game, yes you did. And SSE has some elements of other universes, even using some Mario enemies. The Adventure mode in Melee could've been better (like making it different for each character instead of having them go through the same stages...it's more repetitive than SSE just because you do everything more than once).
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:01PM Doctor Who said

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I honestly thought Brawl sucked. I'd used Captain Falocn for the original two, and suddenly I get this one and he becomes super weak (why can't his falcon punch smash someone out of the arena anymore?). Its only redeeming quality at that point was Solid Snake, and just because his Final Smash owned so much

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:02PM Shadowbender said

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Oh, Super Smash Bros...The splendid and nostalgic memories you've given me. Whenever I hear the theme music from either Melee or Brawl, it's so sweet.

I remember nearly three years ago come this March I picked up Brawl on launch day. When people complain about the Wii, I can't help but think of gold coins like Brawl that have provided me some spectacular experiences.

(Sorry I know this was focused on Melee, but this was something I felt like discussing.)

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:07PM Greippi said

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@Shadowbender
Brawl alone is justification to purchase a Wii :)
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:08PM HasteMakesWaste said

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I love brawl but I wish I could play melee agan(I traded it in). The only thing I miss about it is Mewtwo and a few stages that weren't moved to brawl. But overall brawl is a LOT better.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:13PM Zacxx201 said

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Super Smash Bros. Melee is my all time favorite GameCube game. The countless hours I'd spend with it fighting friends. When one of my friends told me about Mewtwo I couldn't wait to unlock him. I must've played easily over 2 thousand versus matches with my friends.
I played Brawl for probably a month or two but it didn't last as long for me as Melee, which overall I probably played for at least two years.

Posted: Dec 18th 2010 7:42AM Nolan North said

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@Zacxx201
Hard to play a game as long as another when it's still only 2 years old. I'm pretty sure EVERYONE that played Melee played it more than Brawl simply because it took 7 years for Brawl to come out...7(+2) vs 2....hmmm, I wonder which has the potential to be played more.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:20PM Typhonic said

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...I think Resident Evil 4 is the Gamecube's best game, personally.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:41PM harusame said

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@Typhonic

Sorry, but Resi 4 is small-time compared to Metroid Prime.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 12:45AM Esposch said

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@harusame

Both of which are small time compared to Wind Waker.

But Super Smash Bros. is hands down the best multiplayer game ever.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 10:40PM NerfHerder715 said

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melee is by far the better game. brawl is waaay to slow and you cant do a single combo. melee is fast pace and actually requires skill haha. honestly i try to stay away from brawl. and wtf happened to mewtwo!?!?! why brawl! why!

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:06PM Greippi said

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In Melee, if you really wanted to get good at it, you had to sit for hours doing things like practicing wave dashing. Not so in Brawl.

Which is why I will make the statement: BRAWL IS MORE FUN
You don't need to waste your timing learning any absurd techniques. You don't have to have everything perfectly in muscle memory to be good at it. In the end, you just HAVE MORE TIME to actually play matches with your friends, and the entire group enjoys it far more because everyone has a chance.

My two cents.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:54PM Calatia said

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@Greippi Brawl is too gimmicky, especially with the Smash Ball. It's a free-for-all based on luck, not skill. That isn't as fun as it is annoying. Everyone I played Melee with was skilled, so the matches were exciting. Also, it's a game you could improve at the more you played, and with friends that were good at the game, you had a reason to refine your techniques and dodge attacks.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 12:15AM blackangel209 said

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@Calatia Exactly. Brawl is a lot more like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter in that a button masher can win a 4 person free-for-all. In Melee, if you tried that, your ass was handed to you on a silver platter.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 12:39AM Greippi said

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@blackangel209
Well at least the button mashers now have a chance? XD
Eh, Brawl can still get advanced enough that a good player will beat a button masher. There's just less of a gap in terms of skill.

Another thing with Brawl and the lack of combos is that it forces you to play more mind games. Which gives the game a very different playing style, that I'm quite fond of.

Oh, and Brawl is less frustrating. There has never been a moment when I've wanted to snap my controller in half. In Melee? Screw ups were so much more common... (I'm very thankful for the new, easier ledge-grabbing)
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 1:06AM Roto13 said

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@Greippi Wavedashing was never supposed to be in Melee to begin with anyway. It was a bug.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 1:44AM Greippi said

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@Roto13
"It's not a bug, it's a feature"

Regardless if it was intended or not, the reality is that if you want to play on a tournament level, wavedashing is a basic technique. Melee is littered with those sorts of things that the average player is never going to be capable of pulling off (ironically I learnt to wavedash in Melee by playing Brawl?).

A lot of the advanced techniques in Brawl are far easier to pull off. Something like a DACUS, or a reverse aerial rush takes a pretty short amount of time to get used to and implement in your gameplay. And they don't give you an overwhelming advantage either, so it all remains pretty friendly.

When playing Melee with friends, THERE WAS BLOOD. Maybe some cursing too... which is okay in short doses.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 3:25AM B3astofthe3ast said

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@Greippi I prefer the DACUS in brawl to wavedashing myself. If you want it to be, brawl can be just as technical of a game as melee, but not as fast and tight feeling.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 4:49AM maveric101 said

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@blackangel209

no... just no... brawl may not be quite as hardcore as melee was, but it is not even close to a button-masher.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:57PM Enosoma said

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Question for you:

Would you re-purchase the AAA Gamecube games again (Metroid Prime, Wind Waker, Smash Bros, Mario, etc) if Nintendo's next console were in HD and backwards compatible?

Posted: Dec 9th 2010 1:42PM gatotsu911 said

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@Enosoma
Metroid Prime, maybe. God knows how astonishing it would look with an HD makeover.

Wind Waker, I'm honestly not sure needs the upgrade. That game still looks gorgeous and plays smoothly. If they wanted to completely remake it - like, say, by putting in actual dungeons instead of the tedious Triforce quest - that'd be one thing, but I don't really think a re-release, even with visual upgrades, would be necessary.

Super Smash Bros... if they included an actually good online mode and maybe some Street Fighter-style character balancing, then yes, I would re-buy it.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 12:11AM Fuzunga said

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Well that work certainly shows. Melee is my favorite game ever, probably. It's good that he realizes how good Melee is so maybe next time he can use it as a starting point to make a worth sequel rather than trying to nerf good franchises with this "casually accessible" garbage.

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