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Posted: Dec 21st 2010 10:43PM The Aquacharger said

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Posted: Dec 21st 2010 10:48PM sonicspike41 said

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@copa

"Oh, wait, you can. Activision repeatedly refers to OTHER HUMAN BEINGS as "greedy" and "obsessed by jealousy""

This after Activision publicly proclaimed they like to instill how important profit, at all costs, is to employees. They tell their employees to be fearful, expect the worse/have a negative outlook, and put the dollar before any other possible thing imaginable. Then they expect their employees to bend over backwards for them while making them a billion dollars.

Posted: Dec 21st 2010 10:51PM JCat said

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Screw Activision - they sold a billion copies of CODBO and like most of the wealthiest, they want more. Hey Activision, don't worry, we'll fund your next project with a special Call of Duty tax for 2011. Why not cry IH on the bright minds who decided to continue on with the Tony Hawk franchise.

Posted: Dec 21st 2010 11:03PM Anticrawl said

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Y u mad tho Activision? The same could have been said with IW branching from EA to use stolen ideas for the foundation of the Call of Duty franchise.

U mad?

Posted: Dec 21st 2010 11:24PM vtmneric said

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@ForeverAndEver

MW2 was a terrible game, just sayin. fanbois suck it.

Posted: Dec 21st 2010 11:30PM Mister Darcy said

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@ForeverAndEver

I'm not sure it's common practice for people to get downvoted here for being too right. I know I don't feel you put too much truth syrup on my pancakes, in fact whatever is on there smells terrible.

Posted: Dec 21st 2010 11:38PM matt15632 said

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This sounds like the plot of a call of duty game. Total bs and I'm not buying any of this shit they are saying. The only damage done to the cod franchise is west and zampella leaving and everyone else leaving iw.

Posted: Dec 21st 2010 11:57PM Starcade said

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It's a shame the studio splintered the way it did. We won't know if Infinity Ward or the new studio from the former IW execs will be relevant until each releases something, which could be a while off for each. This has happened before to other studios, and sometimes neither party recovers.

We'll have to wait and see.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 12:19AM Arsenal said

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The only thing this is missing is Bobby Kotick and Joey Greco jumping out of a van and busting Riccitiello while he's eating lunch.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 12:31AM aea0a095 said

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IW's case doesn't necessarily need documents to be understood, they made a product, and had it stolen. Activision's case. Well you've got this stack of documents that is essentially a bloated pile of crap that leads nowhere. It's an empty case. Nowhere in those documents did I see any actual proof of their allegations, just a lot of "this probably happened because..."

I really hope Activision dies. That won't mean the end of COD games, but it will mean the end of a giant corp. looking out to only the investors by taking advantage of customers.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 1:43AM Invigilator said

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@aea0a095

It's clear your pathetically incorrect analysis of the case is based on your equally pathetic bias against a game company.

West and co left enough of these incriminating emails to make the case a slam dunk. This is irrefutable evidence that they were sabotaging Activision on several counts: secretly sending documents to competitors, sabotaging company developers like Treyarch, that proves it all.

EA and West alike were stupid to think they could get away with this, especially when leaving such obvious evidence around.

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Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 1:56AM aea0a095 said

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@Invigilator

Did you read any of the documents? From your history I can tell your pro Activision, anti EA. So does that make you an Activision investor or just a rabid fan?

There was no proof where the emails came from, and aside from the fact that they are extremely vague and wouldn't aid in Activision's case, they seem written by an illiterate moron.
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Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 12:37AM The Minn said

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What's a nubian?

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 12:50AM philmcfail said

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@copa

How did they get a hold of Vince and Jason's texts, emails,etc? Not to be Captain Obvious but those are private things that Activision shouldn't got a hold of?

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 12:59AM atriux said

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Hey Activision...

umadbro?

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 1:23AM ipsum said

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@ForeverAndEver

Games and publishers are not the same thing. The hate here is directed towards Activision, not Call of Duty.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 1:41AM Invigilator said

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Hahahaha, the IW guys were stupid enough to leave emails like that around?

They deserve to lose the suit for leaving proof like that around. Who the hell is stupid enough to write "Yeah lets secretly copy these documents" and "oh yeah, sabotage that other part of our company" in an email and then leave them around?

West and co are clearly morons and deserve what they're about to get with this suit.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 1:56AM ShadowXIII said

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'Tis the season.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 2:19AM tumes said

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So all of you siding with EA did you read the full document? Really? There are some pretty damning emails and text messages. My guess is that their employment contract was pretty rock solid, so West and Zampella will have to prove they were not being compensated per THE CONTRACT not what they think is fair for activision to be at fault in anyway.

This filing as shows to EA that Acitivision is willing to go the distance to protect their code, so if Respawn ever releases anything and the code is in anyway similar to MW2 activision will immediately file a copyright suit against respawn and EA. Since EA is sucking wind right now, they will have to decide whether fighting for respawn will be worth the millions in dollars in attorney fees and possible negative outcome. I would not be shocked if that calculation is not being made by EA lead attorney as we speak.

At the end of the day this seems like a clear case of breach of contract on the part of West and Zampella and if Activision can show (now civil suits do NOT have to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" bar to be found guilty) that EA made promises to West and Zampella should they depart Acitivision then that would be enough to get EA in trouble too.

West and Zampella are good programmers, not so good at making life decisions.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 4:06AM Woolery said

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@copa Thank you, someone had to say something. Activision is a bunch of douche bags who are trying to humiliate and break down EA and the former IW execs. When I first heard the story, I was shocked of how much an asshole Kotick with Activision is.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 5:03AM Woolery said

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I skimmed through this and the most incriminating things are the few emails posted here although the parts that are marked as "confidential" are blocked from the court document so it remains to be seen if there is any more document discovery to prove their case that Vince and West were trying to secretly break away from Activision and start a new company with EA's help.

The meeting with CAA and the lawyer Brown was an interesting e-mail but I would need to see more documents to determine if there was truly a grand secret conspiracy between EA, CAA and the two execs.

Most of the document gives a history of the acquisition deal for IW and how much EA is a terrible game developer. Which goes to setup their motives according to Activision why they would try to pry away IW's top talent but I believe at the moment that Activioson is painting a picture so they can make an example out of Zampella and West along with suing EA for punitive damages for lost revenues.
What balls after selling the top grossing video game of all-time!!!

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 7:34AM tororosso said

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Activision = Crooks of the industry.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 8:59AM TheOneAndOnlyDC said

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So is it Infinity Wards or EA's fault that Treyarch's network code is complete trash? Neither side is innocent but for now I'll side with the company/publisher who doesn't blame the customer's routers(that work fine on every other game) for their own shortcomings.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 9:00AM tumes said

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I know everyone hates activision (not sure how EA is not also hated), but that does not matter here. What matters is the employment contract between Activision and West and Zampella. This contract would be really similar to a contract between a baseball player and a MLB team. Since I am a STL cards fans the best comparison, imagine if Pujols after the first two years in his five year deal was like I am way more awesome than 15 mil a year. At that time the Cubs tell albert if he bails they;ll pay him $30 mil a year. If that were to happen Albert and the Cubs would in hot water. Does albert deserve more money? Sure. But at the time he signed the contract nobody knew how good he was going to be just like West and Zampella probably had no idea that MW and MW2 were going to be so successful (or activision for that matter). This is why you sign employment contract. Now it could have gone the other way, imagine West and Zampella spend more time beating off then writing code for MW1, so the game is terrible. Activision would still be obligated to pay them through their contract expiration or follow some termination clause in the contract.

The part of the document about EA being terrible is to setup the argument that EA's only hope to beat Activision in the shooter arena was to steal its top talent (motive). As I mentioned before this is not a criminal case so the burden of prove is NOT beyond a reasonable doubt. Instead it more like where there's smoke there's fire. That' why you see people get acquitted on criminal charges, but then are found guilty on civil charges.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 11:08AM Lafajet said

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"To find Electronic Arts’s desperate motive to conspire to break these legal contracts ahead of their expiration dates, all one has to do is to look at the company’s precipitous decline in stature with investors and, most importantly, in the eyes of game players who demand innovation and excitement."

Really, Activision? Really?

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 1:28PM Mr Khan said

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@Woolery

Activision is just trying to stop West and Zampella from using Infinity Ward property that they very likely took with them after they were fired. The first game from Respawn would likely build on such resources for the profit of some other company

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 1:33PM Mr Khan said

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Much as i dislike Kotick and the general Activision development mentality, they really seem to have a case here. I don't know what in the hell West and Zampella were thinking if they thought they could get away with some of that.

Almost like them getting fired was the best thing that could have happened to them, because they could now leave for EA (whom they themselves left earlier this decade because EA wasn't catering to their needs properly), and look like game-dev martyrs

EA might be wary of dealing with them after this, because they have to remember their initial departure of EA for Activision in the past anyway

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 4:04PM SkeezyKimchi said

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The raves against Activision (The Man), and siding with the ones attempting to ruin or rebel against The Man (West/Zampella) is so prototypical here in the U.S.

Tumes has pretty much hit all the heads of the nails here, people. Get away from your childish, punk rock mentalities, and look at it from not only a business perspective, but a legal one as well. Key phrase here is "Breach of contract". Meaning, if West and Zampella are told not to do something, and they do it anyway, they are liable to lose any compensation written in their contract (Bonuses for making a game that made 1 Billion dollars, the actual source of all these legal proceedings), and or termination from the company. Both of which occurred. They didn't get their bonus, and they both got fired.

Case and point for sports fans:

Texas Tech University fires Mike Leach for handling a player inappropriately, after the athlete is concussed in practice. Leach was still under contract, and was to make a good chunk of money. TT refused to pay him the remainder of his contract, because Leach violated the school's (and Nation's) code of conduct as a University employee (you can't lock a kid in a utility locker because you think it will help him get over his concussion...) Leach in turn, filed a civil suit, claiming he is owed the money remaining on his contract, based on performance and bowl-appearances. The case has yet to be fully settled, but I can guarantee you, TTU will win. Just as the case with Activision. They will win, because its hard to refute a "Breach of contract", especially if you HAVE done things that are in negative light (emails, taken from their emails, and texts taken from their phones (IW employees) Good luck, W/Z.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 5:41PM wcarnation said

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MW2 was a lazy and smug release from an equally lazy and smug developer. Black Ops out does MW2 in nearly every way and has been an absolute joy to play.

It's really clear Treyarch has been the 'good son' though this whole thing, and these documents just reinforce that.

Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 9:33PM Meta Fictitious said

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Activision sullies a legitimatized franchise (via IW) with sub par development (via Treyarch) for what? Offering creative variety to the gaming community? Nope. They do it for profit.

Activision is a shameful organization, and even if West and Zampella did indeed act underhandedly during their employment there, I'll side with those guys any day over the greedy corporative giant.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 1:22AM SkeezyKimchi said

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@Meta Fictitious

I don't understand how you label Activision a "shameful organization" for wanting to set the record, legally, and making sure Activision "creative ideas" remain Activision, and not allow those who you entrust with sensitive material (in this case, video game code), to just take it and run to your competitor when there's a disagreement. If West and Zampella are indeed found guilty of breaching their contracts, and taking copyrighted material from Activision to EA, they deserve to go to prison.
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Posted: Dec 22nd 2010 10:10PM DigitalFortress said

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Sooooo.... West and Zampella are not so innocent after all.
Here was all us people jumping on the 'hate activision' bandwagon, when in reality, they were two conniving little crappers!

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