Unofficial Fallout community wiki the Vault has posted snippets and analysis of another batch of court documents, courtesy of site founder Paweł Dembowski (posting as Ausir), in the legal battle between Bethesda and Interplay over the latter's licensed, in-development Fallout Online MMO and rights to distribute pre-Fallout 3 titles from the franchise. If the absence of recent developments in the suit had you wondering if the two sides had settled cordially, forget about it. The excerpts are most certainly lacking in holiday spirit, as the fiery debate appears to wage on.
According to the Vault, highlights from the new documents show Bethesda, which is the current Fallout IP owner, defending against Interplay's claims that it had denied the MMO developer rights to use "Fallout-related intellectual property assets." Bethesda maintains that it had licensed back to Interplay (the original IP owner) rights to the Fallout name only and not art assets, including the series' (literally) trademark Pip-Boy.
In a separate document, Bethesda took to the offensive, demanding Interplay hand over the contents of its internal Fallout Online design wiki as court evidence. Interplay objected, calling the wiki a "trade secret document" and suggested Bethesda had repeatedly turned down offers to "inspect" the wiki outside of the courtroom.
Interplay seems to have little choice but to fight on, even as it operated at a $205,000 loss in its June–September fiscal quarter. As Gamer/Law points out, the company is caught in a deadly gamble: Its future is dependant on completing Fallout Online for a planned 2012 release -- if the project doesn't get shut down by the courts first.
On the bright side, Interplay won out in a separate lawsuit earlier this month against TopWare, concerning the latter's infringement upon Interplay's "Battle Chess" trademark.
[Pictured: Fallout Online concept art]
Reader Comments (23)
Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 10:33PM KungFuChaosNinja said
I just want a sequel to Brotherhood of Steel. I know, I'm probably the only one. I'm a fan of Fallout 1 & 2 that enjoyed Brotherhood of Steel. I couldn't get into Fallout 3, but I'm enjoying New Vegas.
Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 11:10PM Ausir said
Are you guys talking about Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel for the PC (which was decent) or Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel for the PS2 and Xbox, which was horrible?
@Mr Esc is the namesarcasm is my
None of the developers at Obsidian had anything to do with neither Fallout Tactics nor Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.
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@Mr Esc is the namesarcasm is my
None of the developers at Obsidian had anything to do with neither Fallout Tactics nor Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.
Posted: Dec 25th 2010 5:13PM KungFuChaosNinja said
@chargen
Hey, Santa brought me a bunch of stuff today. :)
Now all I need is Brotherhood of Steel 2. Wooo.
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Hey, Santa brought me a bunch of stuff today. :)
Now all I need is Brotherhood of Steel 2. Wooo.
Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 10:35PM Billlop said
Well it looks like Interplay are going down the drain anyway, looking at their losses. Shame, Fallout 1 and 2 were amazing. Its always sad to see a, once great developer, on its knees like this.
Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 10:41PM furiousgeorge said
@Billlop Just because a company reports a loss does not mean its going down the drain. Could be simply tax right offs as they are trying to stay afloat and finish this project. Although it does not help when trying to get investors interested in forking over cash.
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Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 10:37PM furiousgeorge said
Hoping Interplay wins this and is able to finish their title. I have nothing against Bethesda. I'm happy with their game. Would just like to see a new fresh perspective on the universe.
Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 11:08PM Ausir said
@Mr Esc is the namesarcasm is my
It's not that easy as you might think. Black Isle was never an independent company but only an internal studio that was always part of Interplay. And it wasn't officially formed until after the release of Fallout 1, which was developed simply by "Interplay". For all intents and purposes, if a game was developed by Black Isle, it was developed by Interplay.
And Black Isle is not Obsidian either. It includes some of the people from Black Isle, but certainly not all of them, not even all of the most important ones. Chris Taylor and Mark O'Green, two of the creators of Fallout 1 and 2 (Chris Taylor was actually the lead designer on Fallout) recently rejoined Interplay and are now working on Fallout Online.
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It's not that easy as you might think. Black Isle was never an independent company but only an internal studio that was always part of Interplay. And it wasn't officially formed until after the release of Fallout 1, which was developed simply by "Interplay". For all intents and purposes, if a game was developed by Black Isle, it was developed by Interplay.
And Black Isle is not Obsidian either. It includes some of the people from Black Isle, but certainly not all of them, not even all of the most important ones. Chris Taylor and Mark O'Green, two of the creators of Fallout 1 and 2 (Chris Taylor was actually the lead designer on Fallout) recently rejoined Interplay and are now working on Fallout Online.
Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 11:10PM furiousgeorge said
@Twigg i meant that they were not going to make an mmo that looked like fallout 3 or new vegas. yes, i know they were involved with the first two and brotherhood. but its been a few years since those games and to see what they would do with it now would be 'fresh' in my mind.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2010 8:48AM This Little Man Says His Name Is said
@Ausir
Obsidian may not have the people who worked on Fallout, but the vast majority of it are ex Black Isles members.
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Obsidian may not have the people who worked on Fallout, but the vast majority of it are ex Black Isles members.
Posted: Dec 24th 2010 8:56AM The Only Girl said
@Mr Esc is the namesarcasm is my
Whoa! I didn't expect to see APE on there. Then again, APE did develop the Mother series. I approve.
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Whoa! I didn't expect to see APE on there. Then again, APE did develop the Mother series. I approve.
Posted: Dec 24th 2010 8:22PM Ausir said
@This Little Man Says His Name Is
"Obsidian may not have the people who worked on Fallout, but the vast majority of it are ex Black Isles members."
This was true in 2003, but not anymore. Most of the current Obsidian developers were not at Black Isle studios, although the highest ranking ones are.
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"Obsidian may not have the people who worked on Fallout, but the vast majority of it are ex Black Isles members."
This was true in 2003, but not anymore. Most of the current Obsidian developers were not at Black Isle studios, although the highest ranking ones are.
Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 10:49PM Faenix said
Tsk, bethesda should be nicer to the people whom sold them one of there best franchises,
Posted: Dec 23rd 2010 11:42PM chargen said
The Vault has some great drama about this. They court docs certainly make it look like Bethesda is trying to undermine Interplay's MMO at every turn.
It looks like they didn't expect Iply to get their shit together enough to actually pull off an MMO in 4 years.
When it became apparent that they could (they sent them a working demo within 2 years, per the MMO deal), Beth started with the lawsuits. This will probably end up being more entertaining than the game.
It looks like they didn't expect Iply to get their shit together enough to actually pull off an MMO in 4 years.
When it became apparent that they could (they sent them a working demo within 2 years, per the MMO deal), Beth started with the lawsuits. This will probably end up being more entertaining than the game.
Posted: Dec 24th 2010 6:56AM Heffer Wolfe said
Bah, give it to them Bethesda. If you can't even give us local co-op in an Elder Scrolls game, what makes you think you can do a Fallout MMO justice?
God, local co-op in Skyrim would make it at least 13.7% better...
God, local co-op in Skyrim would make it at least 13.7% better...
Posted: Dec 24th 2010 7:29AM 24hourpartypal said
@Mr Esc is the namesarcasm is my
Dude, I'd SO buy Brahmin armor
Dude, I'd SO buy Brahmin armor
Posted: Dec 24th 2010 8:25AM wheeeelz said
I hope Interplay comes out with it. Oblivion: Fault Dwellers was terrible.
Posted: Dec 24th 2010 8:56AM The Only Girl said
@Mr Esc is the namesarcasm is my
Stop! You've violated the law!
Stop! You've violated the law!
Posted: Dec 24th 2010 9:35PM Crayola Q Pants ESQ said
Not saying that they are up to foul play, but if I was Bethesda's CEO and after seeing just how successful Fallout 3 was, I'd now definitely be pulling whatever claims (paper-thin or not) I could to get the MMO rights out of Interplay's hands.
Posted: Dec 25th 2010 10:00AM Unregistered said
Interplay already sold the Fallout franchise to Bethesda so Interplay doesn't have the right to make a Fallout game anymore.
Bethesda spent money to buy Fallout from Interplay who literally abandoned Fallout for the history books (and to Bethesda), and now, when Interplay saw how big of a success Fallout 3 has become because of Betheda/Obsidian, they want the piece of the nuclear pie.
Christ. This isn't even open to discussion, Interplay has no right to do any Fallout anymore.
Bethesda spent money to buy Fallout from Interplay who literally abandoned Fallout for the history books (and to Bethesda), and now, when Interplay saw how big of a success Fallout 3 has become because of Betheda/Obsidian, they want the piece of the nuclear pie.
Christ. This isn't even open to discussion, Interplay has no right to do any Fallout anymore.






