PS3 hack court case delayed, jurisdiction questioned

@ts8lemonade amen.

@ts8lemonade I hope he gets sued into oblivion. Thanks to him, Modern Warfare 2 online is completely ruined. 80% of all games I join now have people using wallhacks, god mode, unlimited ammo, rapid fire, super jumping, unlimited AC130 etc. Basically the PSN is totally screwed. Every single game now is going to full of cheaters online. Geodick can go jump off a cliff for all I care.

@ts8lemonade

Is that new form of geodude in Black & White?

@KamiKaji

Is it really that bad? The only console I own is a Wii and I don't play anything online with it, so I'm not in the loop about how prevalent these hacks are but that seems ridiculously awful.

If hacks are actually that rampant, then this guy really is a jerk; until now I was 100% behind him and his right to reverse-engineer his own property and distribute that information but if it's genuinely ruining the experience of every other online player in such a direct way... wow. Incredibly irresponsible.

@Caerus

Maybe I should scroll down and read the rest of the stories on the front page before replying next time...

@KamiKaji Guess what? It isn't his fault. Sony designed the PS3 with massive security flaws (useless hypervisor, kernel exploits, using public-key crypto without any random number blows my mind). OtherOS was the only thing keeping hackers tinkering elsewhere. When they removed it, all hell broke loose.

Putting one dude in jail for saying "Hey look guys, this is broken." is an intensely stupid idea. Not only against freedom of speech - its of incredible academic interest - but it does nothing. Someone else would have broken it, its not as if geohot made the flaws happen, they were in the system the whole time.

@tapoxi Thats like saying its not illegal to break into someones house so long as the lock is shitty.

Not his fault? Saying "hey guys this is broken?"

If the "guys" he told was sony, he would be a hero for stopping this bullshit. If he tells everyone in the neighbourhood this one house has a shitty lock on it, he is a villian.

Their rapin everyones games up in here. Hide your PSN.

@Cavall
If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. As the guest from the failoverflow presentation said, "Linux is inevitable." Sony wrote their own check when they axed OtherOS. I feel bad for all the users affected by this, but Sony has proven they don't know jack about security. The 360 was hacked pretty early on but MS has worked hard to fight modding in other ways, something that Sony is now going to have to learn how to do.

@KamiKaji

I'm not saying I agree with geohot, but man, this entire rant about MW2 being full of hackers because of his release is just dead wrong. For one, it has never and will never be possible to run things like that. It MAY be possible to run command line code like that in pirated versions of games (assuming that comes, and assuming those games can even connect to PSN). His jailbreak allows for running of unsigned programs, but they have to be contained within themselves. It DOES NOT give homebrew developers access to write over game files that were installed through legit discs. Most of those are stored on the discs themselves anyway... We aren't to the point where we just install the whole disc on consoles yet.

tl;dr: geohot's hack doesn't give the kind of root access needed to modify MW2 with aimbots or any other hack. people have always complained about "hackers" on consoles when in reality it has never been possible to run hacks.

@KamiKaji
The MW2 Hacking was going on long before this hack came about and is produced by people completely unrelated to Geohot and fail0verflow. Hacking a game's online play mode is not even close to being the same as console hacking. If its really that bad (which I highly doubt as I play myself and have only seen it once), complain to Activision to get more people with moderators ban hammers online.

Also, still waiting for someone to tell me why modifying hardware/software you purchased makes you a "douche". Seems more to me like: *fat a$$ examines geohot* *fat a$$ looks in mirror* *fat a$$ declares geohot a douche(tm)*

Something tells me that the majority of these anti-geohot commenters are just fanboys who are butt-hurt that the PS3 was not "unhackable" as they were told.

And hypocritically, they probably all have hacked Wiis and/or hacked 360s.

@ts8lemonade i care about Sony's stock performance.

@ts8lemonade

I prefer Geotwat. Its got a nice ring to it.

@ts8lemonade

After reading must of this comments i wonder.... does everybody here really REALLY is 100% free of anything that has to do with hacks ????? really??? because if that´s the case then the big companies are lying and nobody does anything outside the "rules".

What happened here is exactly what HAD to happen sooner or later, you can´t stop people to break the so called "protections" that´s how humans are the more they tell us it can´t be done the more we will do it. many people here is calling this guy the public enemy #1 ( i´d love to really know how many of the ones who wrote here are not going to get the hack for real) but at the end we all saw this coming. Companies want to have control beyond what they should with the cheap excuse of piracy, because of piracy you must be online forever... yeah?? well go to hell, this kind of control is stupid, and a cheap excuse like piracy is way beyond what we should accept.

Sony is going to complain the whole day, what is going to happen?? I´ll tell you: NOTHING, the hack is going to be there some people will use it some don´t all the people who wanted to get free games didn´t bought the ps3 in the first place ( now we do know why the xbox sold more right?) but at the end the numbers are going to be pretty much the same , and don´t tell me that stupid excuse of: this guy destroyed online gaming for the ps3!!! give me a break, if the p.c. which has suffer of the same kind of hacks has survived with it´s online games, then so can the ps3, for me this is just a stupid excuse to ADD something to their already lost case against this guy.

-"he did it you honor!!! we don´t know how to stop him!!!!! a patch??? no that´s impossible!!!!!"

yeah right, as soon as sony FINALLY starts to sell more consoles then they are going to forget about this, it happened with the psone. it happened with the ps2........

@KamiKaji
I actually hope he meets a more gruesome demise ... I'm just saying.

@Caerus Exactly. I was originally rooting for Geohot, because I believe that an electronic device that you buy, you should own and be able to do anything you want to it. Different story with the PS3 though. If the PS3 is compromised, so is everyone's experience. Boy did he choose the wrong platform to hack. He has indirectly ruined the online gaming experience for almost every PSN user.

@Cavall Its not someone else's house, its opening up the welded-shut hood of your own car. And it's not hacking, its reverse engineering. Just as with iPhone jailbreaking, this is probably legal as an exemption to the DMCA in the United States. Everywhere else without a DMCA, this is certainly legal.

Secondly, you're playing blame the messenger here. If Geohot didn't exist, the problem wouldn't magically vanish. He didn't create anything, only discovered. This was horrible design on the part of Sony.

I'm a little interested in homebrew, not with piracy, certainly not with cheating. But I agree with Geohot because this is how the security industry works, and harming academic speech into modern security systems because "OH NOES THEYSE CHEETIN IN MY MW2" is incredibly angering and upsetting.

@Pure Black World Tendency I'll take a five year plus subscription .

Also: he reminds me of Bob Saget. A grave crime in itself for which cruel and unusual punishment must be considered.

@Pure Black World Tendency

give me uncharted 3 2 months early and ill have him punch himself in the face.

@Pure Black World Tendency

like gouging his eyes with a lime encrusted shovel might fit the bill.

@Pure Black World Tendency
I can help.

@Pure Black World Tendency

I don't mind the anti-geohot talk, by all means the guy is an idiot, but anti-Bob Saget talk?

Come on now, Bob Saget is freaking awesome.

@Pure Black World Tendency lol

Really now? Bob Saget fans? I though you guys were just a myth...

@Pure Black World Tendency

Have you ever seen him in anything other than Full House or America's Funniest Home Videos? Have you seen his stand-up?

Obviously not, otherwise you'd be a Bob Saget fan too.

@MiguelAMX So you love the homebrew, but not the hacker that re-added the ability for homebrew to exist on a certain system?

@Protome

Yes, because I would rather be able to play the games I paid for then to run some bullshit tweaked web browser and WMV files.

For a guy who's all about re-adding the functionality that big bad Sony took away, he sure does take away a lot of functionality on his own. Like the ability to play without hackers. What a douche.

@Protome I love homebrew because we all know people can create some very interesting worth while stuff. I mean look at the xbox kinect. I just hate the aftertaste that Is the freedom of homebrew, piracy and hackers.

I say to hell with it, Id rather not have any sort of homebrew on the PS3 if it has to come with the hangover of hackers ruining online gaming.

PC is completely "hackable" and yet its online play is much better than PSN or 360. Weird.

@DigitalFortress

Ezio!!! Where are you!?

@DigitalFortress

Meh...not even worth it really. There will always be others.

@Jamp
Because Sony's legal team and development team are the same right?

@PR0F3TA

Agreed man. I'm a pretty laid back guy, I like to just relax and play some video games. It's really crappy that this made MW2 unplayable, who knows what other games it will ruin too. I just don't understand why people have to ruin things like this, why can't we all just chill and play some f***ing video games.

sigh.

@PR0F3TA Does the "cheated trophies" really matter at all?

As for the hacking on MW2. This was rampant on 360 and PC as well. As stated grab Black Ops, its much better then MW2 when it comes to cheaters. I know it's shitty but in reality Black Ops is way more balanced of a game. It's respawning sucks but the perks are ok.

@ts8lemonade Because there are asshats in this world that don't do shit in life but to try and piss people off.

@thefakeguy Screw all you haters. The ability to play pirated games is an unfortunate side effect of firmware cracking but it's a necessary byproduct to unlock the hardware that I purchased (and own).

Long live Geohot (PS3), Dark_Alex (PSP), and C4Eva (X360). I'll be donating to your legal defense.

He didn't commit any crime that would warrant him going to prison. Sony is not the law.

@thund3rstruck
looking forward to the day when I can use the PS3 as a real XBMC (I guess it would be PS3MC).

I can care less about the online stuff. Sony will lock out the CFW people anyway so all the cries about hacks will catch up to them anyway.

@andrewpoe

What other company has to add more to convince you not to steal it?

It's not like Apple should have to throw in a free stuffed Mac logo (and slash the prices) just so you won't steal iPods from your local Wal-mart. It's straight up thievery, and you don't steal something just because you don't get a goddamn fake map with it.

@andrewpoe if McDonald's HQ is in Ohio, that's the best place to sue them according to the law. Personal jurisdiction and venue, look them up.