Marvel vs. Capcom 3 nixed Frank West late in development
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Remember all those fancy combos you learned with Frank West last year in Tatsunoko vs. Capcom? Well, you can forget about redirecting them to Chris Redfield's face when Marvel vs. Capcom 3 ships this February. Plans for Dead Rising 1's main man being playable in MvC3 were in place -- his silhouette appears in the game's debut trailer , and he showed up in our leaked list of characters earlier this year -- but he was cut due to "some extra work involved, just from the nature of his moves."
West was reportedly "quite deep" into the process before getting axed. Capcom producer Ryota Niitsuma explained the loss to VideoGamer.com, saying, "We felt we could direct our resources to better use, so we've taken Frank out." We're hoping that "better use" of resources is directed at the development of a Chuck Greene character to round out a Dead Rising character DLC pack. They've murdered thousands of zombies, you know.
[Thanks, Lau]
West was reportedly "quite deep" into the process before getting axed. Capcom producer Ryota Niitsuma explained the loss to VideoGamer.com, saying, "We felt we could direct our resources to better use, so we've taken Frank out." We're hoping that "better use" of resources is directed at the development of a Chuck Greene character to round out a Dead Rising character DLC pack. They've murdered thousands of zombies, you know.
[Thanks, Lau]
Reader Comments (81)
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 11:57AM EliminatorZigma said
So west got axed... or should I say "chainsawed?"
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 1:56PM EliminatorZigma said
@EliminatorZigma
Also, am I the only one who thinks "Ace Attourney" when I see the topic picture?
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Also, am I the only one who thinks "Ace Attourney" when I see the topic picture?
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 11:58AM Jack Kevorkian said
Capcom shying away from extra work? Say it ain't so.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:00PM Naru now in 3D said
Dammit, now this game will be approximately 135% less manlicious.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:01PM Tradio said
Frank West isnt a note worthy Capcom character, Hugo from Final Fight has more status than Frank
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:06PM Punkrawk Bbob said
@Tradio
Oh. Hugo. The fat guy from Lost, right?
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Oh. Hugo. The fat guy from Lost, right?
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:36PM The Joy of Painting w Bob Ross said
@Tradio
Andore was the character's name/model in the Final Fight series. Hugo was first introduced in Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact based on the Andore character. Even Frank West knows this, he's covered wars.
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Andore was the character's name/model in the Final Fight series. Hugo was first introduced in Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact based on the Andore character. Even Frank West knows this, he's covered wars.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 1:21PM Crayola Q Pants ESQ said
@Tradio
That's that guy who played Agent Smith in the Matrix and Serious Elf Guy in LotR right?
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That's that guy who played Agent Smith in the Matrix and Serious Elf Guy in LotR right?
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 2:39PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said
@Tradio
I'm flattered that you think Hugo, my left testicle, has more 'status' than Frank West but even I, Captain Planet, can see that Frank West is 4 kinds of more awesome.
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I'm flattered that you think Hugo, my left testicle, has more 'status' than Frank West but even I, Captain Planet, can see that Frank West is 4 kinds of more awesome.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 4:49PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said
@Acosta02
Uh yeah. Something wrong? The right one is called 'Boss'.
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Uh yeah. Something wrong? The right one is called 'Boss'.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:02PM JnRx said
I Think I Like chuck better than frank :~/
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:02PM Its The Rocketeer said
But...but....he's covered wars, ya know?
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:04PM mywhitenoise said
This is just a way of saying "We took him out, so we could charge you $2 for him at a later date."
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:05PM zero2dash said
I get it, ok....DLC packs offer the opportunity (if you choose) in buying things not included originally.
So maybe I'm being cynical but I don't like DLC as the method in which to get additional things, because it lets developers halfassedly release an unfinished game and then add things after the fact. Problem number 2 about DLC characters means people who don't buy them are left out, meanwhile people who do buy them can whore them out....and given the nature of the Vs. games and a handful being top tier while the rest are garbage....who's to say how many DLC characters will end up being top tier, meaning if you want to play competitively against someone who is skilled at the game, you have to open your wallet after buying the game just to stay relevant and have a chance? WTF kind of crap is that?
Again, maybe I'm being over-cynical but I don't like this direction Capcom is taking with this game. Less characters than MvC2, some fan favorites missing....oh, but they'll let you pay extra after launch and ADD them?? I know, I know, "vote with your wallet" yeah yeah. I'm just saying. Capcom has always milked people dry with Street Fighter, but DLC characters is beyond ridiculous.
So maybe I'm being cynical but I don't like DLC as the method in which to get additional things, because it lets developers halfassedly release an unfinished game and then add things after the fact. Problem number 2 about DLC characters means people who don't buy them are left out, meanwhile people who do buy them can whore them out....and given the nature of the Vs. games and a handful being top tier while the rest are garbage....who's to say how many DLC characters will end up being top tier, meaning if you want to play competitively against someone who is skilled at the game, you have to open your wallet after buying the game just to stay relevant and have a chance? WTF kind of crap is that?
Again, maybe I'm being over-cynical but I don't like this direction Capcom is taking with this game. Less characters than MvC2, some fan favorites missing....oh, but they'll let you pay extra after launch and ADD them?? I know, I know, "vote with your wallet" yeah yeah. I'm just saying. Capcom has always milked people dry with Street Fighter, but DLC characters is beyond ridiculous.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:12PM mywhitenoise said
@zero2dash "Again, maybe I'm being over-cynical but I don't like this direction Capcom is taking with this game."
Dude, this is Capcom. They do this with EVERY game.
I've learned my lesson, I'm buying this game used. I want this game, but they don't deserve my support.
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Dude, this is Capcom. They do this with EVERY game.
I've learned my lesson, I'm buying this game used. I want this game, but they don't deserve my support.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:13PM Jack Kevorkian said
@zero2dash Stop buying Japanese games then. Namco, Konami and Capcom are the three kings of leaving out content that has been free for decades. At least with the better western developers you get the sense some time was put into the dlc post release.
I look to Battlefield, Borderlands, Shivering Isles, Burnout Paradise and Red Dead as some recent examples. One the other side look at SFIV costumes, fegging Namco's 78kb disc unlock codes that cost $ on every game they make and Konami's Castlevania multiple $$$ for 64 bit updates to see the other side.
Sega and SE at least have the common decency to stay out of the dlc arena they know so little about. For the most part...Front Mission has some crummy dlc offerings that would have been better served getting people interested in the game instead of the four sales they made.
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I look to Battlefield, Borderlands, Shivering Isles, Burnout Paradise and Red Dead as some recent examples. One the other side look at SFIV costumes, fegging Namco's 78kb disc unlock codes that cost $ on every game they make and Konami's Castlevania multiple $$$ for 64 bit updates to see the other side.
Sega and SE at least have the common decency to stay out of the dlc arena they know so little about. For the most part...Front Mission has some crummy dlc offerings that would have been better served getting people interested in the game instead of the four sales they made.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:15PM The BZA said
@zero2dash
this has been said too many times before.. actually gets tiring to read it. this topic mostly also comes up with capcom titles also. but nothing will ever be done about it. this is the future of the gaming economy and i have already come to terms with it. ...have you?
note, devs are prone to releasing GOTY editions a year later with early, or all dlc on it. so if you anticipate a game will have much dlc, WAIT A YEAR! its what i do lately. but obviously, there will be games you just cant wait for. you just gotta be smart about it.
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this has been said too many times before.. actually gets tiring to read it. this topic mostly also comes up with capcom titles also. but nothing will ever be done about it. this is the future of the gaming economy and i have already come to terms with it. ...have you?
note, devs are prone to releasing GOTY editions a year later with early, or all dlc on it. so if you anticipate a game will have much dlc, WAIT A YEAR! its what i do lately. but obviously, there will be games you just cant wait for. you just gotta be smart about it.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:29PM Liquidfingers said
@The BZA
agreed. EA is pretty ridiculous about this, too. as far as i know, EA is one of the originators in announcing downloadable content for games that haven't even hit the shelves yet, and they've been doing so with one of my favorite developers ever: BioWare.
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agreed. EA is pretty ridiculous about this, too. as far as i know, EA is one of the originators in announcing downloadable content for games that haven't even hit the shelves yet, and they've been doing so with one of my favorite developers ever: BioWare.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:50PM Mcmax3000 said
@Liquidfingers - At least with EA though, that DLC is normally given away for free to purchasers of new copies of the game, or often as part of a bonus 'limited edition' that's the same price as the normal edition that everyone who orders early gets.
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Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:54PM Jack Kevorkian said
@Liquidfingers at least with EA they are actual packs of data. Witht he Japanese developers they are always less than 200kb...meaning they are already on the disc. And even though EA can be bad they do have shining examples of great DLC. Burnout Paradise and Battlefield being two.
The Japanese really have...none. None at all. Ever.
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The Japanese really have...none. None at all. Ever.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 1:00PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said
@zero2dash
While I can agree with most of your complaints (The DLC scheme is total crap, in general; it's more often used to extort players than to provide actual NEW content), there's one thing I don't:
"Less characters than MvC2"
MvC2's cast wasn't too hard to assemble. It was, mostly, an asset dump of previous fighting games. There were few new characters they had to create for that game.
Whereas with MvC3, it's a completely original art direction, no reused assets here (new models, new textures, and new animations). Well, it's possible a few models might have been reused, but it's harder to tell with 3D models than 2D sprites...
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While I can agree with most of your complaints (The DLC scheme is total crap, in general; it's more often used to extort players than to provide actual NEW content), there's one thing I don't:
"Less characters than MvC2"
MvC2's cast wasn't too hard to assemble. It was, mostly, an asset dump of previous fighting games. There were few new characters they had to create for that game.
Whereas with MvC3, it's a completely original art direction, no reused assets here (new models, new textures, and new animations). Well, it's possible a few models might have been reused, but it's harder to tell with 3D models than 2D sprites...
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 2:06PM zero2dash said
@BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam
I agree, but the sheer # of characters has to count for something.
I've been yearning for a Vs. game of every practically ever Capcom character ever created, and MvC2 was getting fairly close to that....at least closer than MvC3 is.
Yeah, most of them in 2 were sprite dumps and 3 is created from the ground up....however if given the choice I'd rather have another 2D game of sprite dumps and have a larger character list than go for something more flashy with just over 1/2 the cast of the previous title. It almost makes me wonder whether or not the new art direction was merely for the sake of being able to use the excuse of "creating everything from scratch so we can come up with new chars later as DLC and charge for them".
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I agree, but the sheer # of characters has to count for something.
I've been yearning for a Vs. game of every practically ever Capcom character ever created, and MvC2 was getting fairly close to that....at least closer than MvC3 is.
Yeah, most of them in 2 were sprite dumps and 3 is created from the ground up....however if given the choice I'd rather have another 2D game of sprite dumps and have a larger character list than go for something more flashy with just over 1/2 the cast of the previous title. It almost makes me wonder whether or not the new art direction was merely for the sake of being able to use the excuse of "creating everything from scratch so we can come up with new chars later as DLC and charge for them".
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 2:10PM DreadArrow said
@Jack Kevorkian
"At least with the better western developers you get the sense some time was put into the dlc post release."
I seem to remember Modern Warfare 2's map packs being the more expensive than any of it's competitors and consisting mainly of maps copy pasted from previous games in the series. I don't think this is an issue with Japanese developers.
"Sega and SE at least have the common decency to stay out of the dlc arena they know so little about"
Sonic and Sega All Stars Racers has dlc codes to unlock everything, as well as dlc characters that were completed before the game shipped.
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"At least with the better western developers you get the sense some time was put into the dlc post release."
I seem to remember Modern Warfare 2's map packs being the more expensive than any of it's competitors and consisting mainly of maps copy pasted from previous games in the series. I don't think this is an issue with Japanese developers.
"Sega and SE at least have the common decency to stay out of the dlc arena they know so little about"
Sonic and Sega All Stars Racers has dlc codes to unlock everything, as well as dlc characters that were completed before the game shipped.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 4:05PM Mcmax3000 said
@DreadArrow - I don't know about the Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing example specifically but remember, there's a difference of about a month (sometimes more) between between when a game is done and when it has shipped so just because something was done before the game shipped doesn't mean that it was done before the game was finished and could've been included on the disc.
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Posted: Jan 24th 2011 6:13PM BoldJBoogie16 said
@zero2dash I completely agree also the fact what really pisses me off is the fact he was already in the game and mere weeks of launch and they decided to take him out because they dont want to finish their job. As much as I hate to say it but this list is really making me more and more depressed.
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Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:06PM kmcroc said
That was a lame move & acompanied by a bulls*** reason.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:08PM ObiAlKenobi said
"he was cut due to "some extra work involved, just from the nature of his moves."
Translation:
"Capcom: He is a beloved character. That is, we could easily fit him into the game, but we rather sell it as DLC, because DLC is the new thing to squeeze even more money from the gamers."
Translation:
"Capcom: He is a beloved character. That is, we could easily fit him into the game, but we rather sell it as DLC, because DLC is the new thing to squeeze even more money from the gamers."
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 1:04PM doom saber said
@ObiAlKenobi According to leaked sources, he was removed because of a network issue. Makes sense since he isn't a new character for a fighting game; he has an established move list.
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Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:08PM Alexisonfire said
Next two character announcements will be Frank West and Sentinel, establishing Niitsuma as the biggest troll in the industry.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:56PM Seroth said
@Cleric Capcom's gotten "smart" about those unlock codes. With Dead Rising 2 (and probably Street Fighter IV) they actually leave the DLC content off the disc, and make you download it all when you buy it. Then they also put out "free" packs that contain all the data in order to see other people use it...you just can't use it yourself.
I think this is actually worse 'cause it takes up more hard drive space.
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I think this is actually worse 'cause it takes up more hard drive space.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:11PM Kal El said
This is not Faaaantastic.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:13PM baby sea tuna said
Booooo!
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:15PM Victor Ruthless said
Guess this is one war he won't be covering.
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:16PM JohnicYouth said
Easily the worst news I've heard today.
:(
:(
Posted: Jan 24th 2011 12:25PM baby sea tuna said
@JohnicYouth
You have full-blown AIDS.
Hey, just putting things into perspective.
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You have full-blown AIDS.
Hey, just putting things into perspective.
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