Angry Birds is top PSN download in January, Mass Effect 2 comes in at #8

@Italian Stallion Anger weighs you down, man.

@Italian Stallion
No one seems to mind that this version of Angry Birds is broken apparently. My copy is plagued with lag in specific levels and a major freeze if I put the PSP (Go or 2000) into Sleep Mode while in gameplay, the pause menu or between levels. I have to do a hard system reset or pull the battery out of my 2000 to recover!

Weak.

@Italian Stallion
beware anger, fear, aggression, for the dark side are they.

perhaps this is why angry birds has beat other more involved, more polised games and attracts the masses. it's quicker, eaiser, more seductive. but not more powerful.

@Fallow

Angry Birds 2: More Angry

@FriedConsole

Seriously Angry Birds.

Or maybe Angry Birds 2: The Revenge of the Pigs.

@liquidsoap89 Angrier Birds? It could be Slightly Less Angry Birds, you never know.

@Fallow

Angry Birds 2: More Angrier Than Before

@Fallow Cut the Rope.

@FriedConsole

Angry Birds 2: Reloaded

@SamE

2 angry (or)
2 angry 2 avian

angry birds two : pork amoung beams
angry birds 3, with a vengence
angry birds 4: slings of the patroits

angry birds episode 2
the boar wars

episode 3
revenge of the swine

episode 4
a new egg

episode 5
the barnyard strikes back

episode 6
return of the tucan

angry birds, going spread eagle
angry birds future: a crack in the shell

angry birds, now with feet!
angry birds two: glide control
angry birds 2: slingshots evolved

angry birds HD fury

@Fallow

A movie tie-in about the rise of Women's Rights, or the suffragettes?

@Cranky Penguin

I think people should be given the choice.

@Cranky Penguin I applaud these people. Let the GameStops burn!

@FriedConsole

yeah but given the choice too many people make the wrong decision and buy on impulse

@Cranky Penguin I'm pro-choice as well...

@wcarnation

I sell games online and it's the only reason I can afford to buy as many games as I do. When Games become digital only, I'll only buy 1 or 2 games a year. Is that what the industry wants?

@Cranky Penguin
Don't worry, your disc based games aren't going anywhere any time soon. Go to any electronics store, they're still selling CDs. And those are far easier/accessible at both downloading legitimately, and pirating...that and no one buys them anymore.

@Cranky Penguin
You can share the game with up to five PS3's.

@Cranky Penguin
Or maybe people buy a game because they want to own it, and if it's not worth owning they just RENT it.

Gamestop wins again by having convinced you to give back what they sold you for a fraction of the price.

Physical media wont be around for much longer (relatively speaking of course.) So I'd get used to trade-ins becoming a thing of the past.
In addition, trade-ins do nothing but line the retailers pockets and screws the dev/publisher out of a sale. From the their perspective you might as well be stealing it.

@eat it

I buy/sell a lot of used games to save money too. I am not worried about physical media dying any time soon. There is a good percentage of game consoles that are never hooked up to the Internet. Some people will always want a physical format. Same for movies.

@eat it Probably. Every time you sell one of your games online you take them out of the market for each time it resells. Some people never buy new.

@eat it
yeah, dude...why the hell do you even buy games when you're just going to resell it anyway? Wouldn't it make more sense to rent, borrow, or subscribe to gamefly?

You go on about how hackers (note, hackers, not pirates) are killing the industry, but you buy games only to resell them. Buying and selling used does more harm than someone who just pirates.

@Cranky Penguin

Its their choice if they want to get the digital copy rather than than the physical copy. Still I am surprised EA put ME2 on PSN the same day it released in stores. This is the first PS3 title that appears on PSN for $60 as its physical counterpart.

@eat it
@eat it

yes, the industry would rather people buy their games from them, as opposed to you. Otherwise they can't turn a profit, and in turn, can't make more games/money.
You reselling games doesn't do the publishers or devs any favors, so if they can discourage you from selling your games so they can get those people to buy games from them directly, then they are already better off.


It's like people have forgotten services like gamefly exist for all those games that aren't worth owning.

This is one of the reason we see zero day DLC, because the devs are aware of this, so if they want to make ANY profit off of a second hand sale, they make sure some of the game just isn't included essentially. It's always optional though so it certainly isn't a panacea, but it does their losses
Id say second hand selling is greater than or equally as damaging as piracy, my reasoning being pirated copy =/= POTENTIALLY Lost sale
Second hand copy = lost sale

@Draugdraugr
Not only do they lose a sell if you buy the game used, the money goes to Gamestop (or whatever store you sold it to) encouraging them to make a business out of that.

Of course, if you're smart, you sell through craigslist or online, and don't trade in.

@Draugdraugr

No. Buying/selling used game is not worse than pirating. When you are buying/selling used games you are contributing a perceived value to a new game purchase. When I buy a $60 new game I can justify it by saying I can probably get $30 back on selling it. I would never buy it at $60 if I couldn't get back $30. There is a potential loss of sale right there. I would never buy Mass Effect at $60 digitally. I would pay $30 digitally for the potential loss of reselling it.

There is a reason publishers don't link retail discs to codes. They would lose a lot of sales from people who buy games to sell used later. One of the reasons PC games is on the decline is because the PC used market (thanks to piracy) is dead. Nobody is going to pay $60 for PC games because you can't sell used PC games. Hence why PC games are less expensive.

To summarize, you need the used market to add value to owning a game and therefore have justification for a higher new market price.

@Draugdraugr

example 1 - I buy 40 new games a year and sell them to 40 people. that is 40 new games sold. and it keeps 40 people gaming.

example 2- 40 people buy 1 new game a year. that is 40 games sold, but....

the problem with that second example is, I'm just not going to play games anymore. I'm not going to buy a console if I can only afford one or two new games a year and not resell them. So right there that's at least one person not buying hardware, not buying accessories, not buying games, not buying DLC, not going to game stores and potentially buying more new games. how many of those other 40 people will do the same as me after they think, "man I can't trade it in?"

now consider how big gamestop is. How many people do you think depend on trading games and selling games to keep gaming as a hobby? I'll give you the answer to that. MOST OF THEM!

Imagine we live in a world where we can not trade or sell games, the industry will suffer.

You think used games are killing the industry but I disagree, those used games get people in the stores. How many people go into buy a used game and leave with a preorder? people buy a lot on impulse and used games help on that front.

I bet those numbers are staggering. used games may not help the publisher directly but it certainly helps them indirectly.

but you go ahead. buy mass effect 2 for $60 online. see how that affects your gaming budget for the month. then tell me how much money you sank into your HDD of games that you never play anymore 5 years from now.

@Draugdraugr

I bought a used 360 years ago and used copy of project gotham racing 3 and a used copy of I want to say splinter cell double agent...

you know what? because of that I bought gears of war brand new, I bought a dozen other games brand new. if it wasn't for that first used game and used console I would have bought nothing. MS would have seen zero dollars from me. and obviously the previous owner of that system and games couldn't afford to buy new games or else they wouldn't have sold them.

but you're right buying used is like buying from hitler.

@Art84

I have nothing against choice or a digital distribution version coming out the same day as the physical disc but I do have issues with the price point being the same. Bioware isn't paying any of the costs associated with physical media (disc, case, manual, etc.) and they aren't passing the savings on to us. I like digital distribution for some things and have bought many games off of Steam sales but that is the key difference, the low prices on Steam compensate me for the lack of resale right and lack of disc/physical manual.
BTW, unless the game is really good or fell in resale value really fast, I sell my games on Ebay. Gamestop is the devil!

@eat it Buying a console used is fine because you're eventually giving Microsfot/Sony money through accessories, games, and DLC (even though you've stated numerous times that you wont buy anything you can't resell). When you buy a used game, the developer isn't getting any money.

I HATE the thought of a digital distrubtion world (they have too much control), but I hate people who buy and sell used more than that.

@eat it

hah, I never said buying used was buying from hitler, I said buying and selling used is of no benefit to the publisher or dev, as they see none of they money for their work.
While we'll just need to disagree on the software side, when it comes to hardware your right, MS or whoever still see profit from that, because your buying (at least some new) games for it, so they are making money off of that.
I'm not completely averse to the concept of reselling of all things, if I gave that impression than I'm sorry, I was speaking merely in the context of software.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/25/

@eat it You are playing with very bad math. You buy around 40 new games a year right? Roughly $2000. Let's be very generous and say you get half that back from selling to the public used. So you lose out on $1000.

So how exactly are you going to go from spending $1000 a year on new games to $60-120 buying one or two.

Answer: you aren't and publishers know this.

@Draugdraugr

But you're still wrong. To buy a used game meant someone had to buy it new first. A pirated game has no ties to new games. And your logic that used games are lost sales is simply wrong. People that buy used would likely simply buy far fewer games if they couldn't get them at reduced rate... or simply turn to piracy.

Also, I'd argue that a used game sale is much more likely to lead to DLC sales. A pirate is either not going to have access/can't use the DLC, going to pirate the DLC, or is simply a complete cheapskate and won't pay anything at all for their games. Someone buying used is at least willing to pay something for their games.

And I still don't buy this notion that software should somehow be treated differently than any other good. People buy used goods of all kinds. If anything, software publishers have it easier. They make their good once and then just stamp out copies on cheap plastic disc. Most other items have considerably more money tied up in the production of each item up for sale. When someone buys a used game over a new one a publisher is stuck with one extra $1 disc sitting on the shelf. When someone buys a used TV or car then some manufacturer is stuck with an item that cost them hundreds or thousands of dollars just to make (not even counting development) sitting on a shelf or lot.

@Cranky Penguin Perhaps these are the sorts of people who: A) don't sell their games anyway so it's not an issue; B) like to support developers for doing a good job by spending money in a way that further supports the developer and publisher; C) like the idea of being able to start up their favorite game in a moment's notice; D) use game sharing to allow 2-5 of their friends to play the same copy at the same time (assuming the copy allows this, I don't know for sure).

@Vidikron

Or instead of pirating or buying new, they would buy them at a reduced price down the road, or on sale, etc. Perhaps that shovelware game would be priced appropriately, since people are more frugal with their dollars, and then they wont be wasting $60 on a $20 game. Used or Piracy aren't the only options, heh.

Of course used games lead to DLC sales. if your buying used they are starting to leave things out -- like multiplayer in some cases, to make sure they get their slice of the pie. To say they would buy MORE dlc than someone who bought retail is baseless, though you certainly don't seem to be making that claim. Zero-day DLC is part of the publishers reaction to help offset the what they lose from second hand sales.
I find it amusing people are so concerned with resale concerns, yet they are ready to spend money on DLC, which can't be traded in. by their logic DLC should disgust them because of its lack of physical form, and its inability to be traded in for cents on the dollar.

The only reason I compare it to piracy is because in the eyes of the publisher, they make nothing off a second hand transaction. So, while there are people who will only buy used, those people might as well be pirates, because they never bought anything off of the dev/publisher anyway, yet they reap the spoils (once again the zero day DLC is there to offset that but it illustrates how just like piracy, they need to come up with ways to combat the lost profits from it ((in piracy's case, it'd be DRM techs.)) let me revise my statement concerning the equivalence of Piracy and second hand sales and say that piracy and second hand sales can both result in potential lost sales.

I'm not making the argument that software is exceptional, and I didn't mean to imply it, I was merely just providing a focus as to the medium i was referring to, as someone tried to turn what i said into a blanket statement for all goods. As I said in previous posts, I would say the same thing about media, such as books, movies, music, etc.

@Takao

Well, it certainly can't be any worse than the frame-rate crawl on the 360. =/

@Takao Are you talking about Angry Birds, or ME2? (Angry Birds has horrendous slowdown on the PSP, and I have ME2 on PC so I'm just curious about the PS3 version in regards to that)

@RoboZombie585

I believe he is referring to the PS3, some of the in-game cinematics take framerate hits as I understand it, but I too play ME2 on PC so I couldn't comment personally.

@RoboZombie585
I can't speak for him but I know every now and again Angry Birds slows to about 4 fps on my slim PS3. Haven't gotten to play it on my PSP cause the screen is broken.

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

You are an idiot. I'm sure you get a sense of glee from openly displaying your bias, but it's old and annoying. You are literally the worst type of gamer.

@Takao I was referring to Angry Birds btw. I assume I got downvoted because people thought I was talking about Mass Effect? lol

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze Too bad the PS3 version of SSFIV is the only one with a "Frame Rate Crawl".