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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:20PM BlackLuigi7 said

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And that, kids, is why you think before you steal from Gabe!

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:32PM Crimsic said

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@BlackLuigi7
That...and the picture of him wielding a chaingun.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:25PM BlackLuigi7 said

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@Crimsic Yeah. XD
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 9:25PM Hunter141072 said

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@BlackLuigi7

No, that´s why you need to have ONE brain cell to stay quiet once you have done something as big as stealing code, instead of going to the owner of the company hoping to get hired........
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:23PM I am a machineee said

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So we should hope in 8 years GeoHot apologizes for being a sh**head?

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:29PM ChuckBartowskiX said

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@I am a machineee
No. hes a huge egotistical asshole who will not learn. I dont like that sony is suing all of these hackers, as some of them (fail0verflow) are a bunch of cool guys. But egohotz deserves it.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:17PM Tiptup300 said

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@I am a machineee

I really don't understand the hate on Geohotz. He's awkward on tv, but that's all I see. Seriously he hacked the PS3. Why the hell does that make him such a degenerate?
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:31PM Spike941 said

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@ChuckBartowskiX You're basing this on what? His rap video? Well then, since all I need is one little tidbit to judge a person - based on your comment I'm going to assume you're part of the uneducated sheeple who follows the angry mob after doing little-to-no research on the topic.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 4:16PM Hank Hill said

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@Spike941 Unironic use of the word "sheeple" = instant downvote.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 4:46PM (Unverified) said

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@Spike941

an intelligent statement. Props.

I can tell you're not a 14 year old, like the majority of posters on this board.
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Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:40AM original fred said

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lol sockpuppets.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:24PM Ospov said

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He must've been REALLY stupid back then...

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:32PM thisredengine said

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@Ospov

Okay, most young adults are. Fortunately, most young adults don't have any particular skills or talents to take it a step further and get into real trouble, like Gembe did.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:37PM Deschain said

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@thisredengine

Well said.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:07PM Ospov said

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@thisredengine

Very true.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:35PM CaptainProtonX said

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lol...he thought he could make up with Newell on Valentine's Day?

Aaaaaaawwww... "

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:36PM PastaGabe said

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Funny thing is that if it wasn't for him, Valve would have released that crappy version of Half-Life 2 instead of the awesome, carefully crafted version we know and love.

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:42PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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It's a shame that guy got off so easily.

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:55PM R Planteer said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Its actually pretty par for the course. Many, many infamous criminal hackers end up very well off as a result of the skills demonstrated by their illegal actions, after a very light jail sentence in a white collar prison, or a probation period.

Its harder to find a hacker not better off by breaking the law than it is to find one that actually suffers as a result.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:57PM Punkrawk Bbob said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Easy? It's not like he harmed anyone. Didn't Gabe just release a statement that his company earns more than Google and Apple per employee? I have a feeling that in the long run, was a lot of nothing.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:01PM PR0F3TA said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

yea Ezio send this guy to 5 years in jail with rapist, murderers and child molesters.. that will show him

/s
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:01PM Glassneedles said

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@Punkrawk Bbob
See Gary McKinnon
Currently not in prison but if the US has their way he will.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:03PM thisredengine said

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@PR0F3TA But..but he did wrong to one of the his favourite game companies!!! A far bigger crime in Ezio's eyes than murder and rape.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:11PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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@thisredengine

I don't even like Valve that much. =P
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:17PM TheDarkWayne said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze You're right, it would have been better if he went to jail and lost all chance at reforming.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:19PM TheDarkWayne said

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@Glassneedles shutting down military networks and stealing/deleting government files is a lot different than leaking HL2 or the kind of thing your average hacker gets into.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 5:02PM The Aquacharger said

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@Ezio Auditore da Firenze
GTFO FOR NOT LIKING VALVE!
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Posted: Feb 23rd 2011 4:42PM Punkrawk Bbob said

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@Glassneedles

Wow, thanks for that. Was unaware of this McKinnon dude. I just read the wiki so got the short of it, but I need to read some more details on this. At first the idea of someone hacking US Government owned machines seems like a very open and shut case, but there's a level of strange around this.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 2:50PM InDurdenWeTrust said

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Boy I wish he could get in there and at least find some detail on Episode 3 for us.

Oh yeah... And what a douchebag!

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:01PM Gooblechev said

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"Half-Life 2 was never destined to release on time. It is a Valve project, after all."

More and more, I think that second sentence should just be "It is a video game project, after all."

Too many companies delay enough to play with the big-league delayers.

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:11PM Gooblechev said

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@Gooblechev Not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. I'd rather have a good game a few months later than a buggy one now. :D
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:02PM PR0F3TA said

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I remember this lol... I went to GameStop on the day HL2 was originally suposed to be released and the guy told me it was pushed back, i told him how long, and he said he didn't know but at least a year because some pr!ck hacked the game and pirated it.

i was like ¬ ¬

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:34PM BlackLuigi7 said

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@PR0F3TA But it wasn't the hackers fault it was delayed. It was already going to be delayed before, because the devs were behind. Also, the article at Eurogamer said it happened a week after the release date. So if this is true, and you went there on the day it was released, the hacking didn't happen yet.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:35PM BlackLuigi7 said

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@BlackLuigi7 Sorry, the last sentence was supposed to say the day it was supposed to be released.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 4:59PM Dhexodus said

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Your soul belongs to Ubisoft anyway.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:41PM FriedConsole said

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Why do hackers think they will be rewarded with a job when they breech someone security and commit a crime? I would never hire somebody who doesn't obey the law. I wouldn't hire a shoplifter to work at my store. Why would I hire someone who stole my code? There are lots of security professionals who follow the laws who I would trust a lot more with my network security. Most of these "hackers" use security flaws found by other people who don't break laws. Those really smart guys that discover the flaws are the ones I would want to hire.

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 5:09PM ThePenIsMightier said

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@FriedConsole

" I wouldn't hire a shoplifter to work at my store."

And that is why your loss prevention would be clueless about how to spot or even prevent shoplifting.

And remember:legality is not morality. Breaking the law does not make you a bad person, obeying the law does not make you a good person.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 7:19PM FriedConsole said

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@ThePenIsMightier

Everyone has the own version of morality. If it is OK with my morals, can I kill someone? There is one law people should follow if they want to stay out of jail. I would tend to think someone is stupid for spending their time breaking into computers when I rather hire somebody who is creating tools that can keep people secure.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 7:20PM FriedConsole said

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@ThePenIsMightier

You would hire a former shoplifter to mind your store? Really?
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Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 3:42PM Bill OReilly said

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@FriedConsole

"Everyone has the[ir] own version of morality."

I believe what #ThePenIsMightier is referring to is the difference between Malum Prohibitum (conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute) and Malum in se (conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct).

In all reality, Valve was not in the slightest hurt by any of this, really. What was leaked was only the source code, and NOT any playable version of the game itself; certainly not the finish product, anyway.

Regardless, as a PC game "Half-Life 2" was going to hit the Torrents on launch day anyhow, as it continues to be even today. Valve should have appreciated this fan and hired him to help secure their network in the same way that Microsoft did when the original Xbox was hacked.

That's the Talking Points memo for this evening. Be sure to tune in to 'The O'Reilly Factor' on Fox News weekdays @ 8:00 EST/ 5:00 PST.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 9:40PM ThePenIsMightier said

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@FriedConsole

"I would tend to think someone is stupid for spending their time breaking into computers when I rather hire somebody who is creating tools that can keep people secure."

If they can be broken into, they aren't very secure and your security person sucks at their job-so you'd rather hire the person who can't do his job well than the person than can do the job better? Did you know that one of the world's leading anti counterfeit engineers was a major counterfeiter and embezzler himself?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale

So, who would design more difficult to break currency-honest you, or that guy? Who would you hire?

"There is one law people should follow if they want to stay out of jail. "

Again, legality is not morality nor is morality legality. Or are you telling me that you support throwing Rosa Parks in jail for not moving to the back of the bus because she shouldn't have been such an uppity criminal bitch, for instance?

"You would hire a former shoplifter to mind your store? Really?"

When I took over management of one of the worst video stores in a franchise chain it had HUGE theft losses. With my knowledge, and by hiring my thieving friends, we reduced losses for the rest of the year to less than %1. The previous managed had no clue how things were getting out, nor any clue what to try, nor did they even know what to look for. The company started sending me out to "clean up" other stores where I could nail internal thievery. How would YOU have known what to do?

Would you hire a pacifist to be your bodyguard?
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:46PM arrrdawg said

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I is sorry I broke in and stole code. I can has job now? Party Van

I still find it hard to believe how the calculate the 'damages'. I am sure that amount includes any fees involved to catch the perpertrator but I hope they don't count 'lost sales'. It's a pre-release game. The people who downloaded it had every intention of pirating the final version anyways, same with that recent Crysis 2 leak.

I understand why people think piracy brings the industry down, but stop and think about paying $60 for incomplete games that require DLC (which pirates cannot easily access due to permabans). Or downloading a game that is no longer for sale as opposed to buying it used, the latter of which only serves to make gamestop rich (and I consider gamestop to be a different kind of pirate). Nevermind

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 3:58PM (Unverified) said

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Normally I don't feel sympathetic for this type of thing but he was very curious about HL:2 back then and walked into trouble. His friend should be the one in jail for leaking the source code online.

But we all make mistakes in our life time, weather their life threatening or not.

I am interested in the reverse engineering of that malware though. Never heard of someone doing that before.

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 7:59PM ohwatanizzight said

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LMAO F*cking Nerds

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 8:32PM ultrabot said

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"It is a Valve project, after all."
Episode 3 delayed further, thanks Andrew.

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 9:06PM DannibusX said

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He probably would have gotten a job if he only breached the network. Taking the files and distributing them was the wrong thing to do.

Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:18PM theydidntnameme said

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i remember soon after these events, someone 'hacked' one of gabe newell's forum accounts and posted to the world the release date or something like that. i say "hack" because it was later determined that gabe's password was...

gaben

lol

thats why im wondering why this guy said it was "easy" to get accessd to the code

Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 2:58AM Malmer said

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And now the companies themselves "leak" this and that for publicity.
Someone hand the guy a medal for inspiring them.

/kidding.

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