The struggle between hardware manufacturing juggernauts Sony and LG -- the latter of which claims that the PS3 infringes on a number of its patents relating to Blu-ray technology -- has finally drawn some blood. The civil court of justice in the Hague has granted LG a preliminary injunction for customs to seize and confiscate all PS3s coming into Europe (from manufacturing plants, etc.) for up to ten days. The Guardian reports that the collected consoles are temporarily being kept in Dutch warehouses until the case moves forward.
According to the Guardian, retailers are expected to have enough PS3s to last two to three weeks. Sony has the right to file an appeal to the patents office -- but far more than some boxed-up consoles collecting dust is on the line. Should the court ultimately rule in favor of LG, the console maker would be forced to compensate the company for every single PS3 sold around the world. We've contacted Sony for a comment.
Reader Comments (146)
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:21PM Dizazter said
Hmm I wonder how many hackers Sony would need to sue to pay for this one.....
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:24PM Trogdorwhore said
Aw, why LG? I'm actually shocked, why would LG do this? WHY?!
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:25PM TraceurRyuk Part III said
@Trogdorwhore
They're haters. That's why.
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They're haters. That's why.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:25PM Xoonaka said
Every PS3 in the WORLD? Is that accurate? If so, that's kind of over-reaching, Hague...
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:37PM LaughingTarget said
@Xoonaka
They're like that. The EU is pompous enough to think it's ruling apply to everyone not in the EU.
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They're like that. The EU is pompous enough to think it's ruling apply to everyone not in the EU.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:27PM iFester said
Does this mean I can't use my PS3 which is hooked up to an LG monitor?
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:58PM baby sea tuna said
@Prboi
Not nearly as ironic as the fact that my PS3 used to get compatibility errors whenever I tried to hook it up to my Sony TV, but worked fine on every other one.
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Not nearly as ironic as the fact that my PS3 used to get compatibility errors whenever I tried to hook it up to my Sony TV, but worked fine on every other one.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:28PM SgtDookie said
I really hope those mobile phone patents were worth it Sony.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:31PM Red Deer said
Imma lol Hard when something contrevesal happens like LG employing Geohot.
But on a serious note. This was set to be the 'Year of Sony' Then all this negative stuff happened with the PS3....
But on a serious note. This was set to be the 'Year of Sony' Then all this negative stuff happened with the PS3....
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:36PM LaughingTarget said
In the meantime, I'll set up a LaughingTarget's 11 to hit that warehouse. I need 10 volunteers. Who's with me?
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:38PM BlackLuigi7 said
Sony: Looks like we are upping the cost of the NGP to $700 because of costs in court! The PS4 will go for $1000, but not before we "leak" it for over 6 months.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:39PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said
@SpiderPrime Not a chance....devs are JUST starting to get use to the PS3....the PS4 is years off...at least 3 or 4....
they will just cut LG a check or look for more patents that LG infringed on....it will be more of a background thing after this point...
they will just cut LG a check or look for more patents that LG infringed on....it will be more of a background thing after this point...
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:39PM Starcade said
Seems to me this is releated to Sony suing LG a few months ago over phones. Now LG is suing Sony. Up until now, didn't realize they had even sued Sony.
But this can certainly hurt Sony if they don't get it worked out.
But this can certainly hurt Sony if they don't get it worked out.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:41PM BlackLuigi7 said
You know...who wants to bet LG let the PS3 sell, and then did this just for a quick buck, or *Dr. Evil stare*, a billion?
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:46PM Teus said
the only role sony had that made the blu-ray such a success is having it included in every ps3... in some ways blu-ray may of actually lost to hd-dvd if it wasnt for the fact that ps3s came with blu-ray drives..
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:02PM baby sea tuna said
@Teus
That was pretty much the only reason it survived, despite being an inferior format out of the gate (though I'm pretty sure it reached feature parity with HD-DVD after a few firmware updates.) It's good for Sony though, since if it had failed it might have bankrupted the company (I believe all of this went down around the time of the exploding laptop batteries and very slow TV sales.)
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That was pretty much the only reason it survived, despite being an inferior format out of the gate (though I'm pretty sure it reached feature parity with HD-DVD after a few firmware updates.) It's good for Sony though, since if it had failed it might have bankrupted the company (I believe all of this went down around the time of the exploding laptop batteries and very slow TV sales.)
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 3:52PM baby sea tuna said
Whoa, definitely didn't see this one coming.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:12PM AJW said
you guys are all assuming that once microsoft has us by the short and curlies in gaming, that they will play nice with new competitors. they haven't in the past.
we should root for sony, because otherwise the only alternative is nintendo for the forseeable future.
also bluntly, the remedy seems extreme to me. bratz was caught fully stealling from mattel and even using a program called "evidence eraser" to cover it up. the appeals court ruled that the correct solution was to let bratz keep selling and pay damages. the same makes sense for this, assuming sony is guilty.
we should root for sony, because otherwise the only alternative is nintendo for the forseeable future.
also bluntly, the remedy seems extreme to me. bratz was caught fully stealling from mattel and even using a program called "evidence eraser" to cover it up. the appeals court ruled that the correct solution was to let bratz keep selling and pay damages. the same makes sense for this, assuming sony is guilty.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:23PM yurkler12 said
lol at all the comments like "damn you LG" and "why is LG doing this... they're haters" if their claims are legitimate, then it's sony's damn fault for not paying for patented tech. sony has done this countless of times, and recently to LG.
on a side note, while i hope sony stays in the console market, it'll be bleak if sony ends up paying for every ps3 sold. sony's video game division has already been debilitated in this generation, and sony as a corporation has been shrinking rapidly. it's interesting how in this decade LG has grown bigger than sony, and samsung has made sony a dwarf.
on a side note, while i hope sony stays in the console market, it'll be bleak if sony ends up paying for every ps3 sold. sony's video game division has already been debilitated in this generation, and sony as a corporation has been shrinking rapidly. it's interesting how in this decade LG has grown bigger than sony, and samsung has made sony a dwarf.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:25PM Barry Burton said
Oh yeah, LG, all consumers are very happy with you for removing one product from the market because you want more money.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:29PM ComedyInK said
Finally, and All it needed was a lawsuit by LG to push for new consoles with at least HD5870 and 1.5 Ram GPUs THANK YOU LG! WIN IT!
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 7:38PM ComedyInK said
@BigEgo007 Really? After 5 years they now start? No, just stop.
What these consoles can do now? Optimize games to shit that making it half or less of what the game is on the PC and then the PC suffers because Console Ports are the way to do right now.
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What these consoles can do now? Optimize games to shit that making it half or less of what the game is on the PC and then the PC suffers because Console Ports are the way to do right now.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:37PM friendlygummybear said
"Should the court ultimately rule in favor of LG, the console maker would be forced to compensate the company for every single PS3 sold around the world."
I wonder how this would work. For at least the first few years, Sony lost money on the hardware sales and there was no profit. This would be a real kick in the pants if it happened and the amount was high enough.
I think people are overreacting here. IF LG wins and IF the amount is high enough, Sony will be hurt but will not go down. They only will pay out for the consoles themselves, not the software which is where they make all their money. And I dont think they will be forced to stop production on it, they only have to settle on the case and move on.
I wonder how this would work. For at least the first few years, Sony lost money on the hardware sales and there was no profit. This would be a real kick in the pants if it happened and the amount was high enough.
I think people are overreacting here. IF LG wins and IF the amount is high enough, Sony will be hurt but will not go down. They only will pay out for the consoles themselves, not the software which is where they make all their money. And I dont think they will be forced to stop production on it, they only have to settle on the case and move on.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:45PM yurkler12 said
@friendlygummybear as of july 29th 2010, sony had sold 38.1 ps3's. by now, that amount is probably mid-high 40 million. so yes, a price on every single ps3 sold will hurt alot. this huge case is by no means decided, but if LG wins decidedly (which i kind of doubt), it may forshadow a road of peril for sony's videogame division.
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Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:37PM SaintV said
Looks like its time to get a 360 instead. I don't see how Sony wins this when they already have 1 strike against them by a court decision.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:41PM Hedgeson said
You're all forgetting that this seems to be a "counter-lawsuit" by LG against SONY suing them over phones.
If there's any weight to this claim, they'll settle out of courts for both lawsuits.
You guys are making mountains out of molehills.
If there's any weight to this claim, they'll settle out of courts for both lawsuits.
You guys are making mountains out of molehills.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 4:53PM Machiavellian79 said
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Sony has too much pride to just let LG rain on their parade. They will counter sue them & they will keep it in court. Sony is not the type to settle since they started this mess. "
Its Sony sueing LG in the first that caused this whole thing. I guess some of you forgot that Sony sued LG over mobile phone patents and this is LG response to those suits. The the ball is back in Sony court. If both patent claims are true then LG and Sony will probably settle out of court.
Sony has too much pride to just let LG rain on their parade. They will counter sue them & they will keep it in court. Sony is not the type to settle since they started this mess. "
Its Sony sueing LG in the first that caused this whole thing. I guess some of you forgot that Sony sued LG over mobile phone patents and this is LG response to those suits. The the ball is back in Sony court. If both patent claims are true then LG and Sony will probably settle out of court.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 5:44PM Scuffles said
@Machiavellian79 lol the other part of that is these are both big companies. This isn't the standard substandard sue some upstart or a private individual who doesn't have the funds to back up the case therefor you win by default case.
This is going to be a knockout drag out, anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you, litigation.
I'd give about 60/40 odds that this gets settled outside court vs turning ugly but if it does go the ugly rout its going to go really really ugly and we are talking thunderdome ugly.
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This is going to be a knockout drag out, anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you, litigation.
I'd give about 60/40 odds that this gets settled outside court vs turning ugly but if it does go the ugly rout its going to go really really ugly and we are talking thunderdome ugly.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 7:02PM Machiavellian79 said
@Scuffles
Looking at this injunction again, this is actually pretty big win on LG part. How many times have you seen a suit get to the point of an injunction like this. Also LG has the option to extend the injunction which they will do unless Sony can reverse the decision. This is huge because now Sony has to provide some type of evidence to change the court decision and this might not be something easily done.
Also LG suit is in EU as well as the states so this could lead to a precedent that would really put Sony in a bad place. Sony might actually have to go to the negotiation table under the gun instead of being equal.
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Looking at this injunction again, this is actually pretty big win on LG part. How many times have you seen a suit get to the point of an injunction like this. Also LG has the option to extend the injunction which they will do unless Sony can reverse the decision. This is huge because now Sony has to provide some type of evidence to change the court decision and this might not be something easily done.
Also LG suit is in EU as well as the states so this could lead to a precedent that would really put Sony in a bad place. Sony might actually have to go to the negotiation table under the gun instead of being equal.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 6:03PM KungFuChaosNinja said
*enjoys playing his Playstation 3 on an LG IPS panel*
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 6:07PM Narutogameking said
Sony will win. Don't worry.
LG just got mad cause Sony sued them first. LG hasn't won anything yet.
LG just got mad cause Sony sued them first. LG hasn't won anything yet.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 6:24PM Jack Kevorkian said
@Narutogameking lol they have an injunction against selling on a continent. They have everything and Sony has nothing. LG will win everything they want.
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Posted: Feb 28th 2011 7:06PM Machiavellian79 said
@Jack Kevorkian
Yeah, I serious do not believe that NarutogameKing understands how huge it is for LG to get an injunction on Sony in EU. People are looking at the 10 day part and thinking that is nothing. They are forgetting that LG can and will extend the injunction. They forget that Sony has to reverse the decision or this could end of costing them huge amounts of money. If the injunction get extended, it could be months before Sony could reverse the decision and thats only if they can reverse it. Sony is in the weak position and might have to go to the table with their tails between their legs and give LG the bank account numbers.
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Yeah, I serious do not believe that NarutogameKing understands how huge it is for LG to get an injunction on Sony in EU. People are looking at the 10 day part and thinking that is nothing. They are forgetting that LG can and will extend the injunction. They forget that Sony has to reverse the decision or this could end of costing them huge amounts of money. If the injunction get extended, it could be months before Sony could reverse the decision and thats only if they can reverse it. Sony is in the weak position and might have to go to the table with their tails between their legs and give LG the bank account numbers.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 6:32PM Urbz1988 said
LG must of had Chuck Norris as there lawyer.
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 7:35PM XenoSilvano said
#### you LG
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 8:42PM SkeezyKimchi said
@XenoSilvano
You're just another uneducated lackey who feels entitled to everything. That's not the real world. Sorry.
I own a PS3. I'm an avid Sony consumer, not just their gaming devices or software. But you should understand right and wrong, and Sony is clearly in the wrong (as LG's win in this injunction shows). And has been stated earlier, Sony sued (or attempted to) for mobile phone patents that LG may or may haven't been breaching. As a repercussion to that, Sony is now feeling the wrath of a counter-suit done by a company that can stand toe-to-toe with them in a legal bout. And sadly, and rightfully so, Sony will lose this fight. Precedent has been made, which HINDERS Sony's attempt at any appeal and from now on the situation will only become more bleak. I foresee LG being paid royalties in some form or fashion, whether it be for every PS3 sold, or for every PS3 sold -in the future-.
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You're just another uneducated lackey who feels entitled to everything. That's not the real world. Sorry.
I own a PS3. I'm an avid Sony consumer, not just their gaming devices or software. But you should understand right and wrong, and Sony is clearly in the wrong (as LG's win in this injunction shows). And has been stated earlier, Sony sued (or attempted to) for mobile phone patents that LG may or may haven't been breaching. As a repercussion to that, Sony is now feeling the wrath of a counter-suit done by a company that can stand toe-to-toe with them in a legal bout. And sadly, and rightfully so, Sony will lose this fight. Precedent has been made, which HINDERS Sony's attempt at any appeal and from now on the situation will only become more bleak. I foresee LG being paid royalties in some form or fashion, whether it be for every PS3 sold, or for every PS3 sold -in the future-.
Posted: Mar 1st 2011 12:49PM XenoSilvano said
@SkeezyKimchi
Whoow deh cowboy! for all you know I could have said just about anything for that is the magic of #HASH#; you're the one fillin' the blanks not me.
Just because a few shipments of PS3 got seize for a mere 10 days doesn't mean anything. Personally, I care for Sony, I don't care for no LG.
The Battle isn't over yet--we'll just have to wait and see how the court deliberation turns out.
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Whoow deh cowboy! for all you know I could have said just about anything for that is the magic of #HASH#; you're the one fillin' the blanks not me.
Just because a few shipments of PS3 got seize for a mere 10 days doesn't mean anything. Personally, I care for Sony, I don't care for no LG.
The Battle isn't over yet--we'll just have to wait and see how the court deliberation turns out.
Posted: Mar 10th 2011 2:31PM XenoSilvano said
@SkeezyKimchi - And it's Sony for the win! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY!
pay up the legal fees LG HSAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
yeah I just had to come back here to gloat ... SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY!
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pay up the legal fees LG HSAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
yeah I just had to come back here to gloat ... SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY! SONY!
Posted: Feb 28th 2011 9:47PM TheRev said
What goes around comes around Sony. Consider this payback for the way you treated those hackers who were within their right to restore WHAT YOU TOOK OUT.
Karma's a beyotch isn't is Sony
Karma's a beyotch isn't is Sony
Posted: Mar 1st 2011 12:09AM KungFuChaosNinja said
@Lucky48
You should've moved on to PC gaming already.
You should've moved on to PC gaming already.
Posted: Mar 1st 2011 1:00PM XenoSilvano said
#### all those against Sony 凸(èヮé)凸
Posted: Mar 2nd 2011 3:34AM chaosmagicka said
What i want to know, is if they lose, whats going to happen with all of sonys game systems and games? Will we just not see any in the future? or not for a long time?
Because Sony maintains plenty of pc games as well as consoles that i dont want to see affected by a money-monger suing out of revenge.
Because Sony maintains plenty of pc games as well as consoles that i dont want to see affected by a money-monger suing out of revenge.
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