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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 8:24AM ComedyInK said

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This game could totally work with Kinect or a regular gamepad.
Just sayin'. . . I'd buy it. . .

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 11:23AM BeeDizz said

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@ComedyInK What a great idea. It would be a fantastic Kinect game. Its already a great iOS game.
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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 12:50PM tsinder said

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@ComedyInK \

It began as a Kinect game:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/114/1140286p1.html
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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 8:37AM ASlamd said

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He may mean in relation to the cost of development of the game being cheaper, so the gross margin being higher.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 3:45PM mcnerven said

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@ASlamd I wish I saw this point first. I wrote a lengthy calculation and summary below =)
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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 8:38AM ASlamd said

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He may mean in relation to the cost of development being cheaper, so the gross margin being higher.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 8:51AM Darki Dreamside said

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This is not good news. Could mean more mobile app games and less full fledged arcade games.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 9:00AM rahnyc4 said

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Well of course it did. there was 2 factors as to why it sold better...

1) Cheaper

2) The fact that iphone/ipad users are desperate for games that pushes the device. you put out a game thats graphically better than all of the iphone library and it will sell.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 9:02AM Hong Dong said

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This is good news for future projects from Epic on the App Store, although I think that was a given considering how happy they were over the initial take up of Infinity Blade.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 9:12AM Cap Morgan said

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What about apple's 30% take on all downloads? I know MS gets a cut too but you need to factor those facts too. Fuzzy math there David.

A side note, why isn't this on the Droid Marketplace yet?

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 9:43AM Ellimem said

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@Cap Morgan They only just got the engine running on Android phones in February. It'll be awhile.

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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 9:43AM Ellimem said

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It may have sold more, but it definitely isn't as good. Black Ops has sold 20 million copies...

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 9:56AM sammo21 said

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This game might be more successful than Shadow Complex, but its nowhere near as good. Infinity Blade is essentially punch out meet dungeons and dragons, but once you go through one bloodline you've literally seen everything. The game is a good time waster for a minutes, but I hope he doesn't get too hopped up on this.

Posted: Mar 4th 2011 12:28AM yomachaser said

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@sammo21

It's too bad you didn't stick with it though, all the good enemies are unlocked in higher bloodlines only and all the old enemies get better and more devious attacks. The first couple bloodlines are like training mode so you missed all the mea of the game by stoping at bloodline 1.
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Posted: Mar 4th 2011 12:31AM sammo21 said

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@yomachaser I played through maybe 20 bloodlines. The gameplay doesn't switch up really, and even when the enemies start to add combos, by that point you have weapons strong enough to shut them down super quick. Playing through more bloodlines only adds loot, nothing more.
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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 10:13AM Optimaximal said

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Of course, had they released Shadow Complex on Steam...

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 10:24AM coil said

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Both excellent games. I look forward to ChAIR's next offering. (:

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 10:48AM Dirty said

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As long as both are considered successes. That's a funny word, successes.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 12:12PM Flapjackal said

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@Dirty As long as both are considered a success?
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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 2:56PM Dirty said

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@Dirty

My grasp on the English language is only as strong as my spell check can make it.
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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 11:08AM KungFuChaosNinja said

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Shadow Complex deserves to sell at the very least 1 million units.

Come on, "gamers".

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 11:52AM Robborboy said

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Ya know, people say that if the game isn't made for a bleeding edge PC it is made for casuals, or holding gaming back, etc.

But really, games like this, they make developers work around something. Figure out how render things quicker and better. Hard core optimizing. Instead of relying on a high end machine to just brute-force everything.

Games like this are actually pushing gaming farther, and while I do not own an i-device, I really hope to see more amazing things like this happen.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 12:04PM Seroth said

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Hopefully this doesn't mean more Infinity Blade and less Shadow Complex. Shadow Complex was soooo good. And no, I don't want Shadow Complex on the iPhone either. >=[

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 12:52PM BlackedOut said

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I think that's exactly what it means.
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Posted: Mar 4th 2011 12:33AM yomachaser said

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@Seroth This IMO most definitely is making them look at some kind of Shadow complex game for IOS. Apples download service is worlds bigger than microsofts so it wouldn't shock me if Chair gets lured into lots of IOS releases and few/no xbox live releases. It just makes more money sense.
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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 12:43PM bargaingamer said

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Hopefully this doesn't mean they won't make a sequel to shadow complex. The first one was an amazing game.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 1:00PM Ujn Hunter said

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Imagine how much more successful it would have been if it had worked on all iPhone devices?

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 3:08PM Liquidfingers said

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@Optimaximal

i just don't see how playing a game like shadow complex with a keyboard and mouse is desirable in any way.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 3:43PM mcnerven said

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@Liquidfingers
Ideally you'd be able to use a controller. At worst it provides another outlet for distribution and reaches gamers that don't own an Xbox 360.

Plus, Steam seems pretty handy. Team Meat just announced close to 400k units sold. Since there's only roughly 160k (last I checked) people on the Xbox Leaderboards, more than 50% of their sales occurred on Steam.

Now, that's probably a lofty example, but still worst case Shadow Complex would've sold a few more units without really much in the way of increased development costs since Xbox and PC run on similar coding structures.
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Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 3:39PM mcnerven said

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Joystiq, success is defined by revenue and profits, not necessarily quantity sold.

Let's take sales qty * sales price for both games (using the approximate figures provided):
Infinity Blade - $8,161,719
Shadow Complex - $8,175,345

Of course that assumes all downloads came from full sales price instead of free vouchers or during holiday sales promotions, but the point is to notice that both titles sold EQUALLY well from a revenue standpoint, at least based on the information provided in this article.

Now, it might be fair to say one game was more *profitable* than the other, but we have no way of knowing what dev costs on both games were. Furthermore, while I know iOS takes a 30% cut I don't know what XBLA's cut is (Xbox Indie takes 30%, so I'm assuming it's comparable to that) nor what the XBLA developer subscription fee is. Unless someone has these figures available, let's just say the Apple and MS's per unit distribution costs are identical.

Therefore, the only way Infinity Blade was MORE successful is if it had substantially lower production costs compared to Shadow Complex.

It's simply lazy to state, "Infinity Blade has been more successful than Shadow Complex" without actually doing some very basic retail math calculations.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 4:31PM Charlie W said

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As the developer they can post it directly to the App Store and get 70% of gross revenues.

With the Xbox Live Marketplace, after MSFT and a publisher have taken cuts, the developer is left with only about ~30% of gross revenues.

Epic probably made about the same off each $6 iOS game and $15 XBLM game.

Posted: Mar 3rd 2011 6:14PM mcnerven said

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@Charlie W
That makes total sense and a point that should've been included in the original article. Instead, Joystiq heard "more sales units" and just copy and pasted that info without really delving into any specifics or understanding, such as revenue, production costs and publishing cuts.
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Posted: Mar 4th 2011 12:46AM laser beams said

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nice job, guys. this game looks awesome- but due to my not owning a compatible idevice (and i never will) i haven't had a chance to play this one, yet. i do, however- have shadow complex and i am in the minority of people who think it's average at best, and dull at it's worst. if there was a way for me to trade in my more expensive Shadow Complex for Infinity Blade

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