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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 3:37PM Comrade Domovoi said

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He left out the part where he wipes his soiled anus on the platform that built his career. Is that part of the plan?

Posted: Mar 6th 2011 3:42PM sicsided said

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@Comrade Domovoi

Just about to say that.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 3:43PM dagamer34 said

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@Comrade Domovoi

Obligatory "The PC is dead" comment.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 3:53PM R Planteer said

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@Comrade Domovoi

Because SOOOOO many people bought Gears 1 and UT 3 on PC? Because I can't find a filled server any time of day when I try to play.

In this day and age, a dev could go bankrupt trying to cater soley to the PC.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:06PM Deschain said

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@R Planteer

UT3 sucked. and GoW1 was a timed exclusive. You expect it to sell well?

point is Cliffy is a hypocrite and a douche.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:07PM sicsided said

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@R Planteer

More like the gimp the PC versions of games.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:18PM Apakal said

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@R Planteer

Really? This is why the PC gaming industry grew 20% from 2009 to 2010 and had record profits, eh?

Yeah, a developer could go broke catering to the PC crowd if all they are offering are shitty ports that haven't even been halfway optimized for the PC.

But of course it doesn't make any sense to do that. When you guide your company on a philosophy grounded in profit margins and sales figures, you're always going to choose shoveling the same unoriginal crap to the console crowd, because you can do it by the truckload and not even have to think about it. There's always going to be 4 million 12 year olds waiting for the next Call of Duty or renumbered Madden.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:20PM Apakal said

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@Apakal
...waiting for the next Call of Duty or renumbered Madded *on the 360*.

Why is there no edit button?
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:32PM Prboi said

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@Deschain

He's a douche yet you've never even met him. You throw these words around like you've known him your whole life. Just because he makes a decision that you don't like. So what? It's not you're going to suffer. You have PLENTY of other games at your disposal. People always tout "PC is the best gaming platform ever!" yet the whine & complain that developers never show them any love. Don't boast about your platform choice & them complain about it. You don't see 360 lovers or PS3 lovers complaining about their consoles faults. PS3's lack of good exclusives, 360's lack of exclusives period. They love their console enough to over look them. PC gamers should do the same.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:37PM Jennacide said

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@R Planteer You know, you should go tell that to Blizzard, Firaxis, and all the other companies that work exclusively on the PC. They are far from bankrupt. Even barring the 800lb gorilla that is WoW, SC2 sold exceptionally well, and I know Diablo 3 will as well.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:46PM Deschain said

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@Prboi

I'm not going to read your rant. He is a douche. I can tell be his hypocrisy and audacity. Deal with it. Scratch that I just read it. I wish I didn't because you went and threw a bunch of words in my mouth and started and argument over something I wasn't even complaining about.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 5:08PM wcarnation said

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@R Planteer Both Gears of War 1 and UT3 came out like 5 years ago. Get over it and look at the present - PC gaming sales are continually on the rise.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 5:51PM sigma8 said

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@R Planteer
"In this day and age, a dev could go bankrupt trying to cater soley to the PC."

Any dev can go broke at any time if they screw up enough. Didn't Bizarre just go kaputt? They weren't a PC dev. Also, please forward your advice to Blizzard. Starcraft and Warcraft sure are languishing on the PC. All these Facebook games, silly as they are, are running on the PC.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 6:04PM PR0F3TA said

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@Prboi

here i am reading Prboi's comment and thinking "oh man finally no fanboy comment from this..."

READS: "PS3's lack of good exclusives, 360's lack of exclusives"

¬ ¬ really?
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 6:33PM Resident Evil 6 Puppie Madness said

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@Prboi
Killzone uncharted god of war rachet and clank resistance and more there are plenty of good exclusives you douche
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 7:12PM (Unverified) said

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@R Planteer

Lololol I remember you. You're that douche who got all butthurt when the PC beat the consoles in unlocking Operation Hastings for BFBC2.

"Acutally has to do with the fact that on PC you dont even have to press the spot button. You can map it to the same thing as the fire button, so you automatically spot every time you fire a weapon."

I didn't respond to that blatant lie, because it would be necroposting, but I thought it would be relevant to the community that you be known as a troll.

All this PC is dead, full of pirates, not profitable seems to come from the same sort of people.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:20PM Prboi said

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@PR0F3TA

It's not a fanboy response because It's true. While Uncharted God of War & Little Big Planet are great exclusive but they are the only ones who actually had little to no bad criticism. Killzone, Resistance & Heavy Rain, while still decent, had a lot of bad criticism. & We all know the only exclusives 360 has is Halo & Gears. PS3 gamers will never admit that their games are bad & 360 gamers will never admit that they only have like 3 exclusive games. PC gamers ALWAYS say how PC is the best because of this, this & this yet they say how they are treated like the back burner of gaming because they always get sloppy ports & little to no after release attention (patches, dlc, etc).
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:46PM TheDarkWayne said

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@Apakal Game companies are supposed to make money, quit being butthurt that not every dev throws out piles of free stuff at you all the time. You would also do well to remember that CoD sells plenty on PC itself despite being extremely heavily pirated. That's even ignoring your insulting insinuation that console games are worse than any game on the pc or that console gamers are somehow stupider or have less refined tastes.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 10:33PM kgrayman said

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@Jennacide ahem this question has nothing to do with the post but whats the character as ur avatar? is it from disgaea?
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:21PM for we are legion said

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Your post is full of fail......

I guss you have never herd of Metor 2033 or the Stalker searies. Amnesia, MindCraft just to name a few....great pc only games that sold very well....

The pc is what made Epic games and they turned there back on us........release a good product and it will see well.....btw UT3 sucked
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:31PM R Planteer said

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@for we are legion

If you meant Metro 2033, thats not a "PC only game", its on 360 & PS3 as well. Otherwise, ive never heard of Metor 2033

Amnesia sold 200k copies in its first 4 months, which while not terrible, isnt nearly what "well selling" console games do, which can easily break 1 mil in their first 2-3.

I will give you STALKER Minecraft (which im assuming you meant, cause ive never heard of Mindcraft either), but even thats unique in that because of how different of a game it is, it got an AMAZING amount of free advertising on the gaming sites, and I personally found STALKER to be quite dull.

Consoles are generally more profitable than PC's for game devs. Yeah, theres success stories- Blizzard is so well known if they packaged a pile of dog crap and slapped an $80 price tag on it, itd sell 5 million in its first week, Valve has its nice Steam business going, although they rarely produce a game ( and even they have gone full blown multiplatform), and of course the rare indie game that does well, but for every success story, theres a dozen companies/games that bite the dust due to piracy/ low sales.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:40PM Prboi said

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@for we are legion

If what you say is true, then 360 fans should hate Bungie now right? Bungie made the Xbox what it is today. Are they turning their backs on them? No. They are broadening their horizons to new grounds which is exactly what Epic Games did. It's not fair for any developer to make a game "exclusive" to one console. Why would they want to limit the amount of people that can enjoy their game? Fact is, they don't. I bet every first party developer for MS or Sony would develop for all platforms if they got the opportunity. But because they are under contract, they can't. Don't assume companies like Epic only wanted to develop on one platform all their lives. Think of it like this, if you were an artist & you took pride in your work & you drew a very famous painting. Would you want a limited amount of people seeing it or would you want everyone to see it?
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:44PM Integral said

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@R Planteer

It depends on what you're developing. Amnesia didn't sell at the blockbuster level but it sold enough to make significant profit. There are plenty of big budget titles on console that sell over a million and still barely generate a profit. You need to keep everything in perspective. Though I could summarize your post as "I don't like PC exclusives so PC gaming is unprofitable"
Obviously, I'm not saying that making games for consoles will lose you money. But to say that PC exclusives will kill your games is clearly not true. In general though, if you can put your game onto more mediums you will sell more copies of that game because you reached a broader audience.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 5:35PM The Aquacharger said

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@R Planteer
No Metro's only PC and 360: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_2033 proof.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 5:35PM Colin said

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@Prboi

But Bungie's new game will still come out for Xbox, even though they're multiplatform. Epic basically stopped developing for PC. Bulletstorm is the exception, and even then they refused to release a demo.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 6:04PM R Planteer said

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@Integral

No where did I say I "hate PC exclusives", but from a business standpoint, it makes sense to put your game where it sells the most, and generally speaking that means consoles. I'm not calling it good or bad, I'm calling it good business.

For the record, I have quite a high end gaming PC that I am constantly maintaining, and I actually just bought an OCZ SSD to boot off of this past week, as part of my "reformat computer before Dragon Age 2 and Homefront release" plan.

@ Aquacharger

+1 for you, I didnt look it up before hand, but I knew it was on PC/360, and assumed PS3. My assumption was incorrect, and the point is yours.

@Everyone else,

Stop wetting your panties over my personal business opinions, especially when I qualify them ( "could" go bankrupt), and pre-list your examples that you are quoting back at me.

I'm so sure that the success of consoles and all the game developers going to them (Valve! Epic Games! Even Blizzard is "looking into a Diablo 3 game for consoles!) has NOTHING to do with making money.

At all.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 7:25PM Pure Black World Tendency said

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Well guys, I just got some popcorn so by all means continue the fight..

LET'S GET IT ON!
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:10PM PR0F3TA said

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@Pure Black World Tendency

PC GAMING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS CAPSLOCK OFF
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:22PM tendoboy1984 said

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@Prboi

So you really think console exclusives are irrelevant? First-party games are what make each console unique. Sony has Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo, etc. Microsoft has Halo, Fable, and Forza. Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, etc.

Without first-party games to distinguish each console, then the purpose of having multiple platforms becomes redundant. Or maybe that's what you want?

Also, Nintendo has said multiple times that they will never make games for other systems.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:33PM sonicspike41 said

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@R Planteer

To your credit Minecraft has been on sale for probably about a year and still isn't even at 1.5m sales yet. Even then the sales didn't start to pick up until around the 3rd quarter of last year when the media blitz started to pick up as well thanks to sites like Penny Arcade, PC Gamer, and Joystiq.

Also, the best selling PC games are what you'd mostly expect them to be. The Sims 1/2, WoW, StarCraft, Half-Life 1/2, Guild Wars, Myst, Roller Coaster Tycoon 3. All the rest have apparently sold less than 6m or sales have not been reported by anyone. Compare this to almost any first party Wii game (which usually average between 10m-30m in sales) and the Halo games which, lately, have broken sales records for first day/week sales.

Also, piracy of PC games is typically 5-10x as rampant as piracy of console and handheld games.

The PC is still a great platform where great sales can be had, but, from a business standpoint, you're right. It just pays better to focus on consoles first and then worry about the PC second. (Of course there are still exceptions, such as games that are typically only associated with the PC such as RTS games or MMOs).
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:40PM eat it said

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@Prboi

did you say the PS3 had no good exclusives? how do you expect anyone to listen to you id you say stuff like that?
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:46PM Prboi said

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@Colin

That's because between 2006 & now, the only games that released were Gears of War (360), Unreal Tournament 3 (360, PS3, PC), Gears Of War 2 (360), Shadow Complex (XBLA), Infinity Blade (IOS), Bulletstorm (360, PS3, PC). Just because for 5 years only two of their games came to PC, they are automatically turning their backs on PC? Just because MS purchased publishing rights for Gears of War & Chair only has developed XBLA. The Gears of War series would have been on PC if MS didn't buy the publishing rights.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:59PM Prboi said

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@tendoboy1984

I'm not saying that i want just one console in the world but I'm saying that everybody assumes game developers actually want to develop for only one platform. Sure, some developers go by which console best suits their ambition of the title they want to bring out like Kojima Productions. But more & more developers are realizing that some of their fans don't have/like the console they develop for. Bungie has many fans of them but never bought a 360 for Halo but they can respect their accomplishments. Most developers don't like to be restricted to one console because it's not fair to gamers. While console exclusives do give each respective console an identity, it's still not fair that the only way for people to play those certain games is to spend 300 bucks on another console.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2011 6:45AM RasenganFury said

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@Prboi
The first Gears was is on the PC and I'm assuming the second one will come out as well.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2011 10:08AM Androu1 said

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@for we are legion Metor 2033? MindCraft?! I've never heard of those games! Metor 2033 doesn't sound too good, but crafting minds does sound great.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 3:55PM ZippyDSMlee said

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This is why gaming has become a dumping ground of generic and cheap entertainment.... the last bearly good game Epic put out was with UT04 and even then its just a do over of UT03...... UT3 is a joke, Gears was a joke on the PC, the reason they can;t sell many games on the PC is due to not making games worth buying.....

Posted: Mar 6th 2011 3:55PM for we are legion said

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Yeah thanks for bringing Gears of 2 and 3 to PC......o wait nevermind you don't care for pc games anymore.....

Posted: Mar 6th 2011 6:46PM trickybuz93 said

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@for we are legion Pc elitists should quit being so ignorant and stupid and buy a console to play the games that are on it instead of complaining to every dev for not releasing every bloody game on the PC as well
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:20PM SoCoolCurt said

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@trickybuz93

i'm with you. if you are unhappy with the lineup on your platform of choice.....sounds like you need a platform change. and don't forget, there is no rule that says you can't own more than one. if you want Gears 2 and 3 that bad, 360's are pretty cheap now.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 11:51PM for we are legion said

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@trickybuz93

First off I'm no PC elitists...not even close I love my PS3 and WII Play the hell out of them......

There was a day long ago that I had a 360. I had 4 of them...They all got the RROD.....Never again will I buy a 360........Not going to waist anymore hard earned cash.......

Epic said back in the day that GOW trilogy would come to the PC...And well I'm still waiting for it but by no means holding my breath....
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Posted: Mar 7th 2011 12:44AM The Aquacharger said

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@RKN
If you can only run it at 60 FPS you need to upgrade you system.
Ohw ait, I forgot they did such a shoddy PC port. My bad.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2011 1:23AM RKN said

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@RKN By monitor, I mean my refresh rate, if I go higher than 60fps, I experience tearing. My dual GTX 480s and i7 can certainly run Gears over 60fps!!!
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Posted: Mar 7th 2011 2:20AM Prboi said

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@for we are legion

First off, If you spent money on more than one 360 then you ere ripped off. I had on RROD since 2006 & it was sent back & they gave me a new one. My friend had 3 & didn't pay a single cent to get a replacement.

Second, when did Epic say that the GOW trilogy would come to PC? Can you post the link to that interview because I never remembered hearing anything like that.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2011 2:20AM The Aquacharger said

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@RKN
Oh. Understandable. My monitor's refresh rate is 120, so I try to keep everything around there. More so my comment was a jab at Epic doing such a bad PC port then at your PC.
But change your GTX 480 to a 460 and i7 to i5 you got my setup.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2011 2:29AM The Aquacharger said

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@Prboi
I actually had quite a few friends who when shipping their RROD 360 back to MS, under warranty, tell them it was their fault not MS' and that they had to pay. All they did was play Halo and Gears of War. No mods, no nothing.
Then I had one friend who's on his 11th 360. He spent quite a lot on a 360.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2011 3:25PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@prboi

prboi said...
"First off, If you spent money on more than one 360 then you ere ripped off. I had on RROD since 2006 & it was sent back & they gave me a new one. My friend had 3 & didn't pay a single cent to get a replacement."

NEWS FLASH
You and your friend aren't the rest of the world and you aren't smarter than anyone else. The 3 year extended warranty has long been expired for earlier models. There was also a myriad of issues that weren't covered under the warranty then after public outcry were all of a sudden covered. Finally, there are still a number of issues that aren't covered that should be covered.

It's not as simple as saying "hurr durr teh 360 pay to fits is self so if yuo pay you are teh dumb" Could your true colors shine any brighter?

My launch model 60 GB PS3 had two separate YLODs and neither were covered under warranty. Granted, I fixed them myself but it put a lot into perspective because I used to bag on people that went out and bought another 360 while their original one was off for RROD repair. I ended up doing the exact same thing with the PS3. So, even though I owned many many many 360's and always got them fixed for free from MS I couldn't understand how anyone could be so stupid as to buy another 360 while theirs was broke down ... until I did it myself with the PS3. My opinion and attitude changed. I came to understand I just never liked the 360 from the start and thats why I didn't buy another one when the original was off for repair. At the time I convinced myself it was because I was a savvy consumer who wasn't being duped by buying another POS to replace my broken POS. Nope I was being a douchey fanboy and I didn't even know it until the day I did the same thing I was mocking others for doing. I ended up selling the original 60 GB PS3 after the 2nd repaired YLOD and just bought new games for the Slim PS3 I had already bought (with a 3 year extended warranty!)

People can and will buy multiple consoles and it doesn't make them idiots. There are extenuating circumstances most people don't think about until they happen to them. I didn't think about them ... until they happened to me ... so I'm talking from experience.

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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:01PM GewurztraminerX said

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What the hell is a "middle-class" game?

Sounds like made-up marketing mumbo-jumbo to me.

Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:02PM GamingColt said

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@GewurztraminerX
The Club
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 8:48PM Che J P said

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@GamingColt
That is the EXACT game i was thinking about lol
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Posted: Mar 6th 2011 4:09PM PR0F3TA said

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Bleszinski: "make shiny games with a sh!tty story plot (or just think like a 12 year old)

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