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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 12:47PM Ospov said

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I just want to finish up Portal 2 co-op :(

Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:02PM Stevetrop Man of Mystery said

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@Banksyliveraa

See that's the thing I don't understand. How folks say they supported Anon in the past but how see them as assholes. Anon as an entity is both good and bad, light and dark. As much evil shit as anon has done, it has also done some good. I'm not trying to support them or defend them but realistically I know what ever anon says can't be trusted, and what ever anon does can have some sort of parallel bizzaro world acting going in the opposite way as well.

I also know that Anon is much more than "script kiddies". Anon can be 1.000's to 10,000's unknown intelligent people working at once cause. Almost like a flock of crows ready to strike down and kill what ever they please.

I hold anon in a neutral level I mean they can seriously wreck some havoc as we an see and have seen. Even if you support them you know they can do something just as bad or that you wouldn't want to see them do. That's just the essence of anon, a beast with no name, no face, that you can't trust.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:04PM vader1991 said

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@Ospov i just wanna login on portal to redeem my steam copy :(
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:08PM Courtney said

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@Ospov

I know anon is the easy one to point fingers at, but this could be something else too. If security has been compromised at the user information level, and all the credit cards and whatnot have been stolen, that would just as easily explain the seriousness of this outage. There have been a number of high profile database hacks in the last year, and this may just be another one.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:13PM Faceless Troll said

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@Stevetrop Man of Mystery People are under some sort of misguided delusion that anon is a cohesive entity thanks in large part to a lot of media misinformation. Which they aren't.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:19PM copa said

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@Ospov

Uh, I want to co-op Portal as well, but right now that's become a bit of a secondary issue. I am more concerned about my credit card/personal info.

People who are railing about Geohot/Anonymous don't seem to understand how serious this is. These are not bored kids trying to keep you from playing SOCOM 4. There is more and more evidence surfacing on cracker forums that this is an organized criminal attack targeting the PSN Store payment system and the user credit card database.

I really hope that Sony is being honest when they say that they don't actually know whether credit card data was compromised, and that they will immediately let us know when they find out.

But after Sony was so tight-lipped and misleading last week about the reasons PSN was down, I have my doubts.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:20PM MLS said

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@Ospov
Dude, I haven't even gotten my Steam account synced yet! This whole Steamworks thing was something I was really excited to check out. Also, I wanted my first run through of the game to be on computer, but knowing the internet will spoil this game for me within days, I reluctantly submitted to playing it on PS3 this weekend.

(not trying to induce console warz here. I'm sure the graphical differences are quite low; but I still wanted to have the absolute best experience, even if it is only 0.1% better)
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 9:33PM Danthaman said

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@Ospov I just want to PLAY Portal 2! I got the PS3 version, but I would much rather play on PC first, but I can't friggin log into the PS3 and redeem my Steam copy. Are people SERIOUSLY this desperate to cause as much misery to others as possible?!?
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:24PM oOWallaceOo said

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@Faceless Troll

I think of Anon as a bunch of Faceless Trolls
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:33PM Faceless Troll said

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@oOWallaceOo As awesome as it would be to have an army of my own clones I don't have that kind of power. Yet.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 4:42PM LexStewther said

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@Ospov
wonder if anybody is looking into the fact that this happened shortly after Portal 2 and Steamworks release? Maybe Gabe was planning this all along: act nice to Sony, give them Steam and then BAMMM!
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:43PM daringone said

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@copa How can we possibly believe they're being honest when they've already lied? On 4/20 and 4/21 they said they were "investigating the cause of the Network outage". Then on 4/22 they came out and said they were the ones that took the network down. Which one is it then guys?!?
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:43PM maveric101 said

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@copa

that seems more likely to me. if this was actually anon, i would think they would've taken credit for it by now.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:44PM Banksyliveraa said

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@Stevetrop Man of Mystery
Nope. I didn't hold them in any light.

I knew they existed but they never bothered me, so I didn't care about them. Much like America and the environment, or China and the environment, or England and chavs.

But they're all up in my grille and it's not cool. Buncha moron spaz kids.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:45PM Co said

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True story: my father-in-law uses his son's PS3 for Netflix and Netflix only. He even needs someone to pull up the Netflix menu if it isn't already logged in when he goes to watch because PS3 interface and UI is so foreign to him.

Netflix is all he watches ever. Yesterday he became so frustrated with the PSN not allowing him to get on Netflix that he threw the controller onto the table the HDTV was on. The controller bounced off and hit the center of the TV, breaking the picture.

The PSN hackers have cost one man his LCD TV DAMMIT! Although I found it kind of funny lol
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:50PM Faceless Troll said

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@daringone It's cute that you seem to think anonymous is one singular entity.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:56PM ItsameMatt03 said

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@Ospov

Thankfully I bought the 360 version.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 2:12PM eNriqeu said

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@Banksyliveraa
I think the hard part of this is to define who the heck is anon, because everyone with a pc + internet could say they are part of it, and start to attack costumers, like these little annoying brats.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 2:23PM onan said

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@Banksyliveraa I'll believe this is Sony capitalizing on the intrusion to make changes they've been wanting to make and capitalize on user sympathy. Initially though, it was probably higher-ups telling the tech guys to shut it all down until they could fully investigate and try to make the system "hackproof" (if there is such a thing).

Anon would take credit for this if it were them (Bringing down a major network for a week? That's something incredibly impressive), so I believe them when they say it wasn't them.

(Also --- SUPER glad I got Portal for PC directly instead of banking on that PS3 Steam voucher.)
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 2:50PM eat it said

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@Co

Does your father-in-law have a trampoline as a table?

I'd marry the daughter of that man too!
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 2:58PM mrantimatter said

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@onan No, A major corporation wouldn't cost themselves millions in business for something like that. You don't take your network down unless you absolutely have to, certaintly not for this long.

This was major enough that they had to take major action. sympathy isn't what they are after here.

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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 3:49PM Victoryismine52 said

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@ItsameMatt03
If you don't mind me asking... Why exactly are you thankful for that? the 360 version is about as useful as the PS3 version right now it's not like your getting steam support and as soon as PSN comes back online it's less useful so I'm confused by your comment... Thankfully the first thing I did was link my PSN account to steam so I was able to grab my steam copy before this all happened.... Also for those that are wondering playing on PS3 offline for the time being is not a complete letdown as I can confirm that when the network is back up and you sync with Steam your game progress (different then saves think what chapter you can start from) and steam achievements will automatically unlock!!! I was able to test this on Monday before the network went down as I received an early copy of portal 2
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 3:08PM Victoryismine52 said

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@Co
The sad thing is that even though PSN is down you can still utilize netflix if you keep ignoring the plea for you to sign in to PSN I was on netflix last night
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 3:09PM Mcmiran said

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@Ospov I was playin Black ops Nazi zombies :(
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 3:32PM sparkster said

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@ everyone whining about anon this and anon that... This is not the same group that shut Sony's servers down with DoS attacks a while ago. They actually left their statement to the current outage here http://www.anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=848
enjoy.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 3:41PM Victoryismine52 said

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@sparkster
I personally believe that this is looking more and more like a professional Criminal attack with the intent of retrieving users credit card and personal information. Now leaving Anon completely out of the blame for this is just illogical. They might not be directly responsible for the attack but they sure as hell opened the door. When News of a simple protest attack (that's successful I might add) reaches those that steal peoples personal information for a living what do you think is the first thing that crosses their mind? Anon may not be behind this attack but they are indirectly responsible for it occurring. That being said if this was a criminal attack I'm all for Sony pulling down the system to restructure it. The only group that's going to win out in the end is going to be Sony as they "should" walk out of this ordeal with a stronger much more secure infrastructure.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 3:47PM Victoryismine52 said

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@ItsameMatt03
Can you explain to me why your thankful of that? As of right now the 360 version is only slightly more useful than the PS3 version but once the network is back up it'll be less useful.... and for those of us that already linked our steam accounts the PS3 version is looking pretty good cause I can still play on steam.

For those wondering playing offline on your PS3 isn't a complete loss as soon as the network is back up and you link to steam your game progress (different than saves think what chapter you can start from) and steam achievements will all automatically transfer over. I was able to test this on Monday of last week before the network went down as I received an early copy of the game
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 4:00PM sparkster said

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@Victoryismine52
They opened the door? Are you serious? They performed a DoS attack. They didn't breach any security. Stealing credit card information would go well beyond that.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 4:03PM eNriqeu said

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@ItsameMatt03
Have fun playing your free steam version when your 360 bursts out in flames.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 5:03PM Cobra4455 said

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Is $60 a year worth it now?
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 5:12PM Manifest37 said

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@Ospov

Why has no one brought up the possibility that the inclusion of Steam may have allowed for an intrusion?

HUH?!?
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 6:07PM SaltCube64 said

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@Stevetrop Man of Mystery

Calm down, its just a bunch of kids playing internet superhero. Stop giving them credit they don't deserve. When you act like they're some kind of chaotic neutral force to be reckoned with, you just sound like some old politician trying to explain internet phenomenon.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 6:09PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@Co

Umm you can watch Netflix. Once you go into the Netflix app it asks you to sign into PSN. Then, you try and sign in and you get the error message and viola it goes to the netflix menu. Netflix is really the only thing that hasn't been affected. Has he even tried to log in?
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 6:40PM NormanCod said

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@Manifest37
I think we now know what GLaDOS was doing with everyones computational cycles just before the release of Portal 2 - not finishing the game, but completing its evil integration with PSN!
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 6:56PM Indefinite Implosion said

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@You all:

As sparkster rightly said (and I'm not sure why he got downvoted for it), this attack was NOT the work of Anonymous (well not directly at least)

There are two other points -- and I'm not sure why Joystiq didn't make them clear -- to take into account:
1. PSN went down because SCE decided to take that action after the security breach; it is still down because they are RE-BUILDING their system, which obviously takes time. http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/04/24/latest-update-for-psnqriocity-services/
2. I'm pretty sure (though haven't got any solid evidence to back this up) that a company like SCE has to, BY LAW, inform its customers if their credit card information has been compromised. The fact they haven't said this seems to imply that customer information WAS NOT compromised.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 8:45PM Ospov said

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@Indefinite Implosion

I'd just like to point out that I got an e-mail for every comment on here and I received about 36 or so e-mails from this comment alone. I opened up my inbox and was like...woah.

Just thought I'd share :)
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 10:40PM Indefinite Implosion said

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@Ospov
Aha, sorry.
I always make sure to un-check 'send me an e-mail when someone replies' when I comment here as I always check back anyway.

You can still do it! Click on your profile and un-check the box under the comment you made :)
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 2:25AM Ospov said

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@Indefinite Implosion

lol oh it's fine. I didn't mean for that to be specifically at you by the way. You just happened to be last on the comments and I accidentally hit reply to you instead. This is one busy post!
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 8:03AM ToTheMoon said

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@Ospov

Likewise my friend. Would love to play some online coop but I've been playing the local coop.

What I find interesting is the timing for all this. Way too coincidental.
A huge coup for Sony/Valve and PSN/Steam and then this happens?

Why not two weeks ago or 2 weeks from now? Methinks it was planned and organized.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 12:47PM Banksyliveraa said

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Pissing Geohot and his moronic spaz crew. I'd like to go online with my PSP and PS3.

Posted: Apr 25th 2011 12:56PM Rather Dashing said

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@Banksyliveraa George Hotz doesn't even own a PS3 anymore, and considering he just settled with Sony recently, the idea that he's involved is only slightly more likely than "The Tooth Fairy hacked PSN".

Further, if by "his spaz crew" you mean "Anonymous", they aren't "his" army, and the AnonOps command structure that generally organizes these events has denied involvement, and isn't known for being sheepish about involvement. While "Anon splinter group" is possible, it could just as easily be anyone else with the means that is causing an issue.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:08PM NinjaTaco said

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@Rather Dashing

Whatever.

Anon saying this is due to "Sony's incompetence" is as good as them trying to claim "We hacked PSN, but it's actually Sony's fault that we did it. Also, if we claim responsibility this way, we think we can't get arrested."
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:09PM Stevetrop Man of Mystery said

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@Rather Dashing

A hacking tooth fairy. Some how I think some Hollywood directors will run with that idea.

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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 1:55PM Rather Dashing said

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@NinjaTaco The logic doesn't follow. They never denied involvement in the attack that they conducted earlier, and being quiet about an attack would only mean that they could rally less people to the cause. After all, Anonymous isn't a cohesive group with a member list and complex communications network. Their only command structure for such things, which by the way is public and viewable by anyone(and HAS to be in order to be effective) has been silent for about a week shy of a month now regarding Sony. While it's possible that the attack was orchestrated by a person or group that considers themselves affiliated with "Anonymous", it wasn't an "Anonymous Attack" as most people know them.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 2:03PM spin cycle said

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@Rather Dashing The idea that Hotz holds no ill will to Sony because he just settled is ridiculous.

And the 4Chan numbnuts aren't sheepish about their involvement on other causes, but when people got mad at them for taking down PSN, they backtracked. Who is to say they wouldn't deny involvement simply so they can attack Sony and simultaneously avoid the heat for it? They didn't regret trying to hurt Sony, only being blamed for hurting customers.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 2:52PM OnToGloryReturns said

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@Stevetrop Man of Mystery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVvuoz2HjwM
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 4:03PM (Unverified) said

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@OnToGloryReturns

BIG DITO ON THAT!!!!
at least a free month or 2, or a free game, ora frree console, or a free girl, or a free island, or somethin not much. :)
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 5:36PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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@Stevetrop Man of Mystery

M. Night Shyamalan's ears are burning.
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 7:32PM This Little Man Says His Name Is said

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@spin cycle

Since when has 4chan and Anon actually cared what others thought of their actions?
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Posted: Apr 25th 2011 12:48PM (Unverified) said

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As a Playstation Plus subscriber, I hope we receive some sort of compensation for this inconvenience/lack of service...

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