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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:45PM Mrguy you know that guy said

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Too far, Anonymous, too far.

Posted: May 1st 2011 4:15AM Torticoli said

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@Mrguy you know that guy Last time they screwed Sony up (a few weeks ago), they claimed it. This time, they're specifically denying having anything to do with this. But please, keep throwing random accusations around without any evidence whatsoever.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:46PM Cavall said

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What it means is that all companies will have to look at this. All of them will make us jump through more hoops then we already are. ALL of them. Because some asshole is using the fact he cant use linux as an excuse to steal our credit info. AND he still doesnt have linux.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:47PM ColorblindMonk said

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I'll give the lasting drama until E3 '11.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:54PM mrmobius said

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@ColorblindMonk

'And to end our keynote at E3 2011 we would like to introduce a new model of PS3. The PS3 GO! You'll now be able to play all our games catalogue being released in the future from our servers. All you need it to add your credit card details, keep your console connected all the time, and we'll give you access to the games you buy from us online!'
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:14PM PR0F3TA said

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@mrmobius

meh 5/10

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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:34PM TheShaper said

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@PR0F3TA
LOL
7.5/10
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:50PM Drakkenfyre said

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Damn Pachter. Just when you think people stop listening to him. Sites post quotes by him.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:28PM baby sea tuna said

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@Drakkenfyre

Why would people stop listening to him? He's the most reputable and accurate analyst in the industry. Sure, his predictions are slightly better than your average weather-man's, but that's still leagues more accurate than most of the other games analysts.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:12PM Drakkenfyre said

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Because he makes so many obvious "predictions". Activision wants money. So-and-so will make money by releasing a product.

And sometimes when a company does the opposite of what he predicts, he pitches a fit. When Activision didn't announce a subscription-based CoD like he predicted, he ranted about them, saying how stupid they were for passing it up.

Also, he's a complete idiot.

I can't find it right now, but there is a video of really stupid comments by him. One is that he thinks there isn't a single pc on the planet more powerful than a PS3. Another is that he thinks online gaming isn't big on the pc. Another is that he thinks Valve has to pay royalties to Microsoft for Steam.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:51PM Jay Z said

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It means less time with the ps3 and more time with Beyonce's big bootay!

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:27PM Uncle Jesse said

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@Jay Z

Is that what you call your launch model PS3?
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:51PM Frozen Radiator said

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They lost me as a customer.

Not for this issue alone, but because lately I have taken a strong liking to my new gaming PC. No one told me Borderlands could look so beautiful. Also, Dirt 3 and Witcher 2 are going to end me.

I'm just going to sell my PS3 and use the money to pick up a 3DS. I hardly touch the thing anymore and I am more interested in seeing what Nintendo / Microsoft have to show us down the line.

I have put up with Sony's vague attempts at communication for a very long time, and sometimes they are able to make me feel like it was worth the annoyances. But at this point I just give up. If it takes you a whole week to tell me that my credit card info might be floating in space, then clearly I am not of importance to you as a consumer. I understand hacking happens all the time. However if it happened to Valve then I would be expecting at least a warning.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:57PM thisredengine said

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@Frozen Radiator

That's "cold".
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:03PM meeeeeeoooooow said

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@Frozen Radiator I will be doing pretty much the same thing.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:12PM copa said

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@Frozen Radiator

Sony is being extraordinarily tone-deaf to Western markets, much like Toyota was in the early days of the "unintended acceleration" crisis. I don't think they are going to escape unscathed this time.

Even by Sony's own timeline, they knew by Monday that user data had been compromised. But they waited until late Tuesday to release a statement that didn't even include so much as a "We're really sorry" or "We're going to make this up to you" or "We're going to do better in the future."

Re-read their statement again. It says, paraphrased, "This shit happened to you. Here are the agencies you should contact. Go clean up this mess now. We have always been awesome about user data security and we will continue to be equally awesome in the future."

That attitude may fly in Japan, but it's not going to work in the States. I doubt that consumer-friendly Europe is going to be cool with this either.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:30PM xxZOMBIExx said

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@copa - That's probably because they don't have a bunch of cheap skates in Japan looking for any little thing to try and take advantage of a company and to get something for free or heavily discounted from the companies.

Almost everyone in America "thinks" they are owe'd something for any little issue or they think they can go sue for any little issue.

Just get over it, because Sony owe's you or anyone NOTHING!!! They didn't just sit there waiting till the last minute to tell people what happened. They told people as soon as they found out and was sure of what happened. Plus, what exactly do they need to be sorry for? They didn't go tell someone or let someone hack into their systems.

Go be angry at the people or person that did this, not the company that was attacked. Quit sitting there expecting to get something for any little issue and for companies to kiss your @$$ just to try and make your feelings a lil better by apologizing for something they didn't do and giving you free stuff for which they have no reason to....
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:33PM PercyChuggs said

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@Frozen Radiator PS3 for a 3DS. Possibly the worst trade since the Red Sox got rid of Babe Ruth.

Have fun with those N64 remakes though.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:40PM Frozen Radiator said

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@nerdydesi Haha thanks. I've actually been a big PC enthusiast ever since I was a kid, playing the original Duke Nukem on DOS. I find it somewhat fascinating that I have had the same copy of Half-Life 2 linked to my Steam account for all these years and have yet to see any of my information be compromised.

I've always been a PC gamer but with consoles on the side. Selling the PS3 is just one less paperweight on my shoulder. I am better off getting the A++ experiences on the PC at least until the next-gen of consoles arrive.

And by next-gen I mean anything that isn't just a remodeled PC with a controller port sticking out of it. We'll see what Microsoft has to show, but so far I am a big fan of the direction that Nintendo seems to be going in.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:44PM TheShaper said

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Little butthurt, aren't ya?
People have the right to get pissed off over it. Should it be me, I'd sure be and I'd blame Sony YES. They're as arrogant as it gets, should they be so effing fantastic as they thing they are, their user data would be much more secure. But THEY failed their costumers who DO deserve an apology. Back in the "great XBL drought" MS gave gamers a free game. Yeah, one might argue that it was their obligation, given that XBL is a paid service. Well, it wasn't their obligation, silver/free users also got the game and no one's credit info was leaked.

In spite of all that, I applaud you, my friend, for being as arrogant as your beloved company. They taught you well.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:49PM TheShaper said

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@Frozen Radiator
Valve was hacked what, months before HL2 was released? They should know better after that.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:57PM darkfocus said

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@Frozen Radiator
I actually might do the same thing...since I've built a gaming PC I've hardly touched my ps3 the last time it was even on was march of last year when god of war 3 came out...It's one of the backwards compatible ones too so maybe I can actually sell it for a decent price.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:02PM darkfocus said

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@TheShaper

steam launched with HL2 valve wasn't hacked but the half life 2 beta was leaked months before release...
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:09PM TheShaper said

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@darkfocus
But as far as my memory allows me to go, how HL2 was leaked? Yep, there you go.

I didn't say that Steam was hacked. I remember it being a sh*tty service in its early days when HL2 came out - who could've forgotten this? - and I wanted it to die. But Valve servers were hacked and they learned their lesson as far as information security goes. THAT's what I meant.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:19PM C1ph3rDivyne said

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@TheShaper
LOL!!! I heart you for that!! "A little butthurt," lolol!!! That totally made my day! And you're right on the money, sir (or ma'am).
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 5:35PM Hank Hill said

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@xxZOMBIExx Clearly never heard of a little thing called "Consumer Rights".
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 5:58PM Jacksons said

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@Frozen Radiator

I may do the same. I haven't used my PS3 for weeks, and now my credit card may have been compromised? I've been playing a lot of PC games with friends lately and having an absolute blast, as opposed to playing Borderlands on PS3 with the world's lousiest mic quality (seriously, is it 8 kbps or something?) and major slowdown in 4 player.

Here I get a keyboard, mouse, my nice comfortable mic and headset....not to mention perfect framerate, why did I ever leave?

That said, still keeping the Wii for couch multiplayer.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:51PM wolf4537 said

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"I truly don't think they will lose many customers over this,"

Ummm...if I'm going to use a service where ALL of my personal information is exposed, I'm certainly not going to use it again anytime soon.

Sony is going to REALLY get slammed with lawsuits on this one.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:56PM MrAhh said

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@wolf4537 Slammed with lawsuits from people who obviously didn't read the article.

I'm not going anywhere, not even bothered by the lack of PSN, I just love the melodrama. "Oh noesss! down with the Sony!" lol.
I would however be annoyed if I had gotten Portal 2 last week otherwise I'm good, sorry people who bought Portal.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:58PM Rick1220 said

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@wolf4537

But when the PSN goes back up it will probably be the most secure server of all time with how long it is taking them to get it back online.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:02PM sigma8 said

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@wolf4537
Um, I don't think Sony "exposed" your data voluntarily. Any service that stores your data (which is pretty much everyplace) can be compromised by a successful hacking attack. I've had personal data exposed by stupid hacking attacks--through no negligence of my own--at least one other time in the last 5 years...when some dude figured out how to tap into AT&T's iPad 3G user data. This crap just happens.

If you don't want your data exposed, buy an Atari 2600.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:18PM convergecrew said

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@wolf4537 Is class action viable if a company gets hacked for customers private data, or is the company a victim also? If there is a case for voluntary negligence for security issues, I could definitely see a lawsuit possible.

Any lawyers or law students here that can offer some insight?
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:19PM CamelCamelCamel said

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@wolf4537 Ouch! My mental and emotional anguish!
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:31PM BananaBoat said

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@sigma8 - Often when things like this happen, we learn in the postmortem of the event, that security blunders were almost as much to blame for the breach as the hackers. People have been bringing up the Gawker event, so that is a decent enough place to start: Someone hacked into Gawker, and downloaded a database full of encrypted passwords, usernames, and e-mail addresses. That alone shouldn't have gotten them anywhere, but the hackers quickly figured out that the encryption method was weaker than it should have been, and because of that, all of the data was exposed (for a more in-depth look at what happened, Arstechnica should have a nice article on it in their archives. I'm not savvy enough to explain exactly what happened in technical detail.)

If our data had been more secure on Sony's servers, this likely wouldn't be happening right now. Even with plenty of examples of what can go wrong at this point, corporations are still oddly reluctant to go the extra mile to secure their customer data, and to avoid data breaches like this.

I'm not going to take part in the inevitable lawsuits (why would I want to make random lawyers rich?) but I'm definitely still angry about this. I'm sure that level of anger will go to the next level when I'm receiving a truckload of spam (in both e-mail, and regular mail form). Luckily, no one made any fraudulent charges on my CC in the six days they possibly had the info, although someone did try to phish me, possibly using info gained from this attack.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:52PM Balthier said

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@MrAhh

Don't be sorry, people who bought Portal 2 on the PS3 got it for free on the PC. ;)
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:14PM TheShaper said

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@sigma8
You have your data exposed once every 5 years?! Dude, you should really stay away from those pr0n sites. And don't click on popups you don't know. And keep email attachments closed for God's and your sake!
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:38PM sigma8 said

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Banana, I agree. Sadly, every time I try to say Sony shoulders the brunt of the responsibility for this breach, I get downvoted to oblivion. Geohot and Anon's jobs are to be douchebags. Sony's job is to keep our information secure. Who failed?

Sony's recent method of security seems to be akin to going around your neighborhood, and threatening everyone not to break into your house--instead of securing your own house. This only works as well as your threats, and it doesn't even work against people who don't live in your neighborhood: even if Sony and Geohot have made nice, what's going to stop hackers in China from stealing everyone's CC numbers from PSN, once they realize there's money to be made?

In terms of being mad... am I mad? I would describe myself as "inconvenienced". I certainly don't like it. I have bought stuff on PSN. I'm a victim. I'm not exactly thrilled about this. However, it's not productive for me to be mad. It's also not productive to punish the random hackers that have committed the crimes. It IS productive to come up with better security so this doesn't happen again.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:58PM TheShaper said

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@sigma8
"every time I try to say Sony shoulders the brunt of the responsibility for this breach, I get downvoted to oblivion. "

Weird. The exact opposite happened to me (that's my way of sayig "I totally agree with you there, bro")
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 5:30PM sigma8 said

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@TheShaper
You are probably just a better people person :)
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:52PM evilkoala said

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I agree with the end statement. I doubt Sony will lose many consumers because of this. Since you already have to put in a $300 or so investment, a week of inconvenience is not enough to make someone go and buy a new console and replace their games.

What I do think, though, is that people who have both consoles might gravitate towards the 360 versions even more. I'll take me as an example. I have both systems and generally trend towards 360. This last week, I bought both Portal 2 and Mortal Kombat on PS3 because they were the clearly better version and I was excited to game on my PS3--and then no PSN service available.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:58PM Cranky Penguin said

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@evilkoala I agree, I don't think this will hurt Sony too bad in the short term since everybody has already paid for their PS3 and is stuck with it for the rest of this gen but I think the PS4 will be where the effects of this will really take hold for Sony.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:54PM rambo8 said

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Sucks for now...a week from now all will be forgotten..beside it a free online service NOT healthcare reform ppl

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:08PM (Unverified) said

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@rambo8 unless they steal people's money using bank info. then it's kind of a big deal. you know, cause people don't like being robbed.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:10PM Zippy Zapp said

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@rambo8

It may be a FREE service, but the hundreds of dollars I have spent in content for which some of it I cannot access is not. FREE or not it was one of the selling points of the PS3 and integrated deeply into most games.

And what if like me somebody had to change their HD while the network was down? You can't use ANY downloaded content until the system reactivates. So this goes well beyond a simple FREE service...
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:53PM Faceless Troll said

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@Mrguy you know that guy Except it likely wasn't Anon this time. They're not shy about claiming credit for big stuff.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:29PM ColorblindMonk said

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But my precious blu rays!
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:54PM TaintedKane said

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@Faceless Troll

It may not have been anon but they did draw even more attention to Sony.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 2:54PM R Planteer said

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Security breaches happen, and I think for the most part people understand this. The main thing Sony has against them right now was that it took close to a week for them to release a statement about what happened, plus the fact that they attempted to lie about the precursor to this attack (Anons. DDoS), by calling it maintainence.

I know a little bit about network security, and if you have an IDS set up any sort of right, you know when data has been accessed by someone who wasn't supposed to a lot sooner than a week, especially when you launch a full out investigation into it as quickly as sony did. The moment they took down their system for "rebuilding", they already had a good idea of what had happened, and they were just trying to find the best way to break the news and handle the PR backlash. You dont just willy nilly take down your entire network off of something like "Maybe something bad might have happened, maybe."

Sony probably knew they had a major security breach Thrusday or Friday.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 3:42PM Architecture said

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@R Planteer

Sony never masked this as "maintenance." By the time you were seeing the error message, PSN was indeed down for maintenance. They have to rebuild all their security systems in light of this intrusion. The network was disabled to prevent further attacks and to seal all the leaks. In every single press release, there's nary a mention of scheduled or routine work being performed on the network.

Leaving Sony behind is certainly your prerogative, but your justifications are illogical.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 4:15PM Architecture said

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@Architecture

I'm not sure what happened, but I'm pretty sure I accidentally quoted the wrong person. So I apologize, as your comment was well reasoned and free of glaring grammatical errors.
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