Sony is reportedly making the most of the PlayStation Network's hacker-triggered downtime by providing developers with new security tools to integrate into their games. Gamasutra cites development sources who say that they are being asked to begin using a new version of the PS3 SDK prior to PSN going back online, something that's supposed to happen within the next seven days.
Joystiq has reached out to its own development sources in an attempt to confirm this report. If you're a developer with insight into the steps Sony is taking to secure PSN against future security breaches, we'd love to hear from you at tips@joystiq.com.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:25PM My Prerogative said
This better not be a rumour. The PS3 and it's game would really benefit from this, and it may re-establish some threatened customer loyalty.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:59PM Hunter141072 said
@My Prerogative
just giving new challenges to crackers..... we will see how much time it takes now.......
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just giving new challenges to crackers..... we will see how much time it takes now.......
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:26PM Kirkpad said
Sony just released some new info in a FAQ on their blog. Everyone should check that out. Our credit info was encrypted but our personal info (and likely password) was not.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:33PM Mr Hett said
@Kirkpad
LINK: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/
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LINK: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:53PM The angry pro consumer gaming ga said
@Kirkpad This attack was frustrating, but its good to hear that they didn't get to the encrypted credit card data. I don't have my data stored since I purchase cards from Amazon, but this should give some relief to those affected individuals.
I just hope in the end they catch these c**ksuckers and make a huge example out of them.
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I just hope in the end they catch these c**ksuckers and make a huge example out of them.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 9:24PM copa said
@Mr Hett
HOLY F*CK UNENCRYPTED PASSWORDS?
I saw people posting this earlier today and assumed they were full of crap because they didn't understand how a hash file worked.
I've been doing consumer-facing web applications since the late '90s and it was inconceivable 10 years ago that any remotely competent company would store passwords unencrypted. Even if you know how to secure your system from external attack (which Sony doesn't) this leaves you extremely vulnerable to internal wrongdoing by a rogue employee.
I don't want to hear anything more from Sony about how they take our personal data security seriously. They are treating us like 75 millions sacks of shit.
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HOLY F*CK UNENCRYPTED PASSWORDS?
I saw people posting this earlier today and assumed they were full of crap because they didn't understand how a hash file worked.
I've been doing consumer-facing web applications since the late '90s and it was inconceivable 10 years ago that any remotely competent company would store passwords unencrypted. Even if you know how to secure your system from external attack (which Sony doesn't) this leaves you extremely vulnerable to internal wrongdoing by a rogue employee.
I don't want to hear anything more from Sony about how they take our personal data security seriously. They are treating us like 75 millions sacks of shit.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 10:20PM Troy Powers said
@copa
Credit card data: encrypted
Name, address, etc: unencrypted
Password: ???
I'd guess that the passwords were in fact encrypted. Like you said, that's a no-brainer for any programmer/admin worth his salt. Though, I do find it strange that they didn't outright say that the passwords were encrypted also.
I guess the easiest way to figure out if passwords were encrypted (using one way encryption, anyway) is to determine whether passwords could be "retrieved" in the event that you lose yours. A site that uses one-way encryption wouldn't be able to decrypt the password, so if you lose it, the only option is to select a new one. While, passwords that are unencrypted (or possibly use less secure 2 way encryption) can be decrypted using a key, and emailed to you if they're lost. Anyone remember how PSN worked if you lost your password?
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Credit card data: encrypted
Name, address, etc: unencrypted
Password: ???
I'd guess that the passwords were in fact encrypted. Like you said, that's a no-brainer for any programmer/admin worth his salt. Though, I do find it strange that they didn't outright say that the passwords were encrypted also.
I guess the easiest way to figure out if passwords were encrypted (using one way encryption, anyway) is to determine whether passwords could be "retrieved" in the event that you lose yours. A site that uses one-way encryption wouldn't be able to decrypt the password, so if you lose it, the only option is to select a new one. While, passwords that are unencrypted (or possibly use less secure 2 way encryption) can be decrypted using a key, and emailed to you if they're lost. Anyone remember how PSN worked if you lost your password?
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:27PM Frozen Radiator said
Awesome. Because clearly it was my copy of Skate 3 that the hackers used to nab my credit card information.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:32PM Namminamm said
Preventing 'Homebrew" perhaps?
Posted: Apr 28th 2011 12:31AM (Unverified) said
@Namminamm
I find myself wondering if giving OtherOS and/or homebrew back to users (and apologizing to geohotz et al) would be a bad move at this point. It's unlikely that the custom firmwares had anything at all to do with the current round of attacks, and giving back some tools to tinker with would keep most of the hacker (as opposed to crackers) community happy. Sony's PR could definitely benefit from a little good will at this point. If Sony designs the new firmware appropriately, giving these features back should, from a security standpoint, move them closer to the original state; i.e. OtherOS, and another 4 hack-proof years.
Will this actually happen? I sincerely doubt it.
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I find myself wondering if giving OtherOS and/or homebrew back to users (and apologizing to geohotz et al) would be a bad move at this point. It's unlikely that the custom firmwares had anything at all to do with the current round of attacks, and giving back some tools to tinker with would keep most of the hacker (as opposed to crackers) community happy. Sony's PR could definitely benefit from a little good will at this point. If Sony designs the new firmware appropriately, giving these features back should, from a security standpoint, move them closer to the original state; i.e. OtherOS, and another 4 hack-proof years.
Will this actually happen? I sincerely doubt it.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:41PM 12thSAGEofGAMING said
Well this is a good way to take full advantage of the downtime. i'm one of those people who's saying:
"...while your at it, throw in x game chat"
of course i know it won't happen (like wanted) but the squeaky wheel gets the oil ~
"...while your at it, throw in x game chat"
of course i know it won't happen (like wanted) but the squeaky wheel gets the oil ~
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:56PM creid8 said
"Joystiq has reached out to its own development sources in an attempt to confirm this report. "
I kind of hope, for the safety of everyone with a PSN account, that no one answers you. The less information that gets out about this new security, the better.
I kind of hope, for the safety of everyone with a PSN account, that no one answers you. The less information that gets out about this new security, the better.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:46PM MrGamer79 said
Am I the only one who thinks information like this, should be classified?
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:58PM The angry pro consumer gaming ga said
@MrGamer79 Considering Sony isn't a government agency, no.
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Posted: Apr 28th 2011 3:49AM NIck PSN ID Rattlehead91 said
@MrGamer79 How would any hacker benefit from early knowledge of this? The hackers have no idea what kind of security measures Sony is going to incorporate into the new SDK.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:47PM BananaBoat said
They should have distributed some security enhancing servers to themselves years ago.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:49PM JGray73 said
I'm more concerned on how long it will take someone to hack it again once it's "fixed". It worries me too since there's proof online that shows Sony didn't even try to hide/encrypt credit card numbers or anything. They were saved as plaintext for the hackers to read clearly. You'd think they would've done more than that, hopefully their new security works better though.
Posted: Apr 28th 2011 12:00AM BananaBoat said
@JGray73 - I don't know anything about a chat room, but I do know that a writer for the shack (according to Garnett Lee) had over a grand of charges on his card from Germany earlier today, or something like that.
It could be coincidental, or it could be related. If I were anyone reading this, I'd change my CC number now, and not later.
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It could be coincidental, or it could be related. If I were anyone reading this, I'd change my CC number now, and not later.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:51PM Banksyliveraa said
In another news article some Sony Apologists were saying it wasn't their fault.
If it wasn't their fault why are they rebuilding PSN to make it more secure, and upgrading the security on their SDKs? Surely if it's not their fault they would just relaunch the service as-is.
If it wasn't their fault why are they rebuilding PSN to make it more secure, and upgrading the security on their SDKs? Surely if it's not their fault they would just relaunch the service as-is.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 8:56PM The angry pro consumer gaming ga said
@Banksyliveraa If someones knows how to open you door would you use the same lock? Man, Ripley said it best in Aliens "Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?".
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 10:04PM Troy Powers said
@Banksyliveraa
"If it wasn't their fault why are they rebuilding PSN to make it more secure, and upgrading the security on their SDKs?"
lol...is that the new-fangled logic they're teaching in schools today?
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"If it wasn't their fault why are they rebuilding PSN to make it more secure, and upgrading the security on their SDKs?"
lol...is that the new-fangled logic they're teaching in schools today?
Posted: Apr 28th 2011 6:14AM XenoSilvano said
@Banksyliveraa - I don't think it would be consider a home owners fault for not keeping autonomous assault gun mounted cameras throughout their home in the event of an intrusion - sometimes shit happens.
Most computers now adays have a great deal security by default but even though if someone really wanted to (for whatever reason to YOU personally) invade your computer, they could do that at the drop of a hat - it'd be wrong to say its your fault for not securing your computer further because who really expects someone to want to do that.
Okay many be my comparisons don't hold much ground, but you get what I'm trying to say. It's hard to expect the unexpected.
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Most computers now adays have a great deal security by default but even though if someone really wanted to (for whatever reason to YOU personally) invade your computer, they could do that at the drop of a hat - it'd be wrong to say its your fault for not securing your computer further because who really expects someone to want to do that.
Okay many be my comparisons don't hold much ground, but you get what I'm trying to say. It's hard to expect the unexpected.
Posted: Apr 27th 2011 9:10PM kentuckyfried said
I wish these aholes would move onto attempting to hack xbox live. I primarily do my online gaming on the ps3.
Then again, I better remove my info off of Xbox Live as well.
Then again, I better remove my info off of Xbox Live as well.
Posted: Apr 28th 2011 5:23AM XenoSilvano said
I'm confident in Sony, I wouldn't believe a company like Sony would have the oversight of allowing some pathetic cyber punk intruder to simply walk away with highly sensitive user info, this is Sony we're talking about, it's not like PSN is the first place where Sony has provided digital commerce, they're not neophytes at this sort of thing.
Posted: Apr 28th 2011 5:41AM XenoSilvano said
@XenoSilvano - I think people are taking this far to seriously, it's far too easy to criticize when things go wrong. There are various levels of counter measure in place to thwart malicious attempts by stupid punks, they're just a nuisance at best.
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