Some PSN services to return this week, full services 'within this month'

@RoNiZZiE

Uhh XBL was never hacked.

@RoNiZZiE

1. Sources on this?
2. XBL was never hacked, XBL had a few weeks of instability (not even a network outage) during the holidays due to server overload.

@RoNiZZiE Xbox live wasn't hacked, it was overloaded by all the new Xmas accounts, me and my friends weren't really affected by more than a few hours. It was intermittent, but never down and hacked.

@RoNiZZiE

I never heard of this, and I follow MS and Bungie so close I can see their cells dividing. Can I get a source on this?

@SourceJR
http://kotaku.com/#!245887/xbox-live-hacked-accounts-stolen

@RoNiZZiE
1. You pulled that $100 number from....where, exactly?

2. They're considering offering consumer protection offers for those affected from their credit card numbers getting stolen on their watch.

3. XBL was NEVER hacked, I don't know why you gets keep telling yourselves that.

@SourceJR

C'mon, some of you trying so hard, it's kind of pathetic

This link was posted DIRECTLY under the one you posted,
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=134&tag=rbxccnbzd1

also see how they jumped the gun, here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/21/microsoft-no-evidence-of-xbox-live-hacking/

@RoNiZZiE It was down intermittently for some (keyword) users for less than two weeks christmas weekend a few years back because millions of people were trying to log in at the same time.

@RoNiZZiE XBL was never out for two weeks. There we're shitty server issues during a major holiday weekend but I'll look into this further with links. But F*ck you for trying to praise Sony for their actions here. Sony sure as hell better try and make things right. Not for people like you or I but for their own future as a trusted developer.

@ninjablaze

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/23/pre-texting-the-cause-of-xbox-live-account-issues/

security is security if someone is able to get my info by hacking or tricking the company into giving up my info i see it all as the same. and neither is good.

@ninjablaze
Sherlock Holmes saves the day. Thanks for the REAL story. I never heard of XBL being hacked either.

@MarkHawk

Over the holidays a couple years ago XBL had some partial outages and stuff from capacity issues, DLC downloads would error out. They gave people a free game as compensation.

@RoNiZZiE Gah gah gah GAH aarrrghhh.

Stuff did go down with Bungie.net, but it was NOT this severe. And it was completely unrelated to the XBL "downtime," which was caused because too many people were trying to access the network around Christmas time. It was not nearly the same situation where they pulled all the servers offline because of a hacking attempt.

In both cases, there was an outage. Sony's situation has been more serious, to the point where they have to hold a press conference. Both companies gave/are giving just compensation. The long-term ramifications will probably be worse for Sony, which is why they feel the need to recoup a little more customer assurance than Microsoft, which basically had to apologize for not expecting so many people to like them.

In the end I'm just glad this is finally going to be over. This was a nightmare for Sony, but it looks like they're trying to do right in the best way they can. Kudos to Microsoft for their efforts in the past, and now tentative kudos to Sony. Everyone reset your passwords and get some sleep. :)

Because Duke Nukem Forever comes out next month.

And the world is going to end.

@SourceJR
ITT: Sony trolls butthurt over the recent hack attempt to feel better by brining up social engineering attacks from 4 years ago.

@ninjablaze This is how I and several other gaming blogs around here recalled it this week. But if you weren't there to experience and you were so invested in one side, I can see how you might recall it differently.

@ninjablaze the PS+ sub will probably entitle everyone 50-100$ in free content and discounts itself. The free download everyone will get will probably be at least 10 bucks.

And the sources are in the comments.

A quote from an old Kotaku article and a Microsoft employee:
((Finisterre says that he called Microsoft Tech and they confirmed that "accounts are being stolen and that "Hackers have control of Xbox live and there is nothing we can do about it"))

That was referring to the hack.

@RoNiZZiE Yeah, they're doing all that because they're super nice.

You're a great customer, you think exactly what they want you to.

@RoNiZZiE You do know you don't get to KEEP any of that free content, right?

And read the multiple links already posted in the comments. It was never hacked, ever. Some minimum wage payed customer service reps were just being stupid and tricked into giving out a FEW XBL customers information away.

Horrible situation, but not the same by a long shot.

Like the dude said up above...both networks have had Personal info stolen and thats that.

Sony's is way more serious. But they are literally doing EVERYTHING they can to solve the problem and prevent it from happening again.

We're getting tons of free stuff and whole new, super secure servers....and when you think about it...nothing has even happened to us but just 2 weeks without online gaming.

I am completely satisfied with their doings.

@RoNiZZiE A couple of dozen people compared to 10 million is a rather large difference, don't you think. And even the couple dozen that did get affected in the XBL incident didn't get their CC info taken.

Hopefully nothing happened in the 2 weeks PSN was down other than lack of online gaming, but it's too early to tell either way. I mean, Kaz Hirai today said "we can't rule out the possibility" that credit card info was compromised", and we already know for a fact they have our name and street address.

@R Planteer

not a troll just giving info when asked ppl ask for sources and links. im not sure who wouldn't be "butthurt" (upset) about possibly having their information stolen. but something not as big in scale but just as bad if someone was able to call and ask for my info and get it i would be pissed and was at the time.

@ninjablaze We know for a fact that they had access to our info...not that it was written down and sold to the black market like everyone thinks. Its been two weeks since the hack, i feel like i would have got a rogue email or letter in the mail by now.

@RoNiZZiE

We got Undertow for free because the 360 was such a hot item for Christmas that year that too many people signed on to make accounts and it overloaded their servers.

Not a hacker job.

@Raffi256
lol @ all these xbox fan boys reading Playstation news...

Also Xbox uses Windows Live for auth and billing, and if it got hacked, it would be a way bigger deal than Xbox. They use Live Auth for all the Microsoft properties, like Hotmail which is the largest email provider in the world or something. So the system predates Xbox and is pretty proven.

@Raffi256

good thing it didn't get hacked then, huh?

@SourceJR

Ignorance is truly bliss, on the 360 side, is it not?

@RoNiZZiE

I would'nt use a CC. Your best bet is to invest in PS Cards! I stopped using my CC once PS Cards launched.

@xbl went down because they were unprepared for the influx of new useres over one xmas..

xbl still remains secure to this day

@RoNiZZiE

wow fanboys upvoted this post of straight up lies?

1. They're not giving away over $100 of content
2. They never offered a free identify theft program.

@(Unverified)

wow 456787654 comments all arguing a PS3 vs 360 and which one is better for security?!? WTF? who cares what MS did or didn't do and who may or may not have been hacked. What does any of that have to do with Sony's press conference.

everyone of you should grow the fcuk up, seriously.

@RoNiZZiE

I think what a lot of people are complaining about is that it feels more like sony is trying to sell us something rather than compensate for our stolen information. I dont want a free month of some service that sony wants me to fall in love with, that i may forget to cancel before they charge me for the next month. Hell i'd have been more happy if they just gave me a game or something, maybe a list of 5 to choose from from their online store. or hell maybe a $10 PSN credit.

@PR0F3TA

It is the 360 folks who are jealous of all the good games on the PS3 over the past 3 years. Their arguments of "the PS3 has no games" are still being sung by the most religious of zealots but like their other arguments are based on fiction.

I find it very interesting that these 360 fans are trolling PS3 stories en massed and frequently.

It's quite telling....

If only the passion of these people could be directed into helping people in Japan or Haiti instead of screaming for Sony to be bankrupted and shutdown. And those are the tame comments...

@RoNiZZiE

$100? haha dude either you only buy from the home shopping network or you are just like giving the casheirs massive tips.

PSN+ is like $5 Qoriocity is $10 and the free game will likely cost $10 so thats $25 at most!

I dont know about you but having your personal information safe is worth a lot more to me than $25.

also XBL having slight server overload and a bunch of idiots spamming 10th presiege on MW2 is not equal to hacking, pirating, server shut down and information theft!

good god! I bet if Jack Tretton came to your house and raped and killed your family you will still think that it was an act of kindness from Sony. sheesh stop deluding yourself and open your eyes.

@(Unverified) From Sony's press release:
Complimentary Offering and “Welcome Back” Appreciation Program
While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, the company is committed to helping its customers protect their personal data and will provide a complimentary offering to assist users in enrolling in identity theft protection services and/or similar programs. The implementation will be at a local level and further details will be made available shortly in each region.

The idea of $100 in compensation is sort of "eye of the beholder" to me. A movie, a month of PSN+, a month of Qriocity (if you had it). That is not $100. The discounts on games in + are permanent (you bought them), but the free stuff will disappear if you don't subscribe. The free Qore and the free DLs it may have will be permanent. Sony also said "Additional “Welcome Back” entertainment and service offerings will be rolled out over the coming weeks...", so who knows what that will be worth. $100, not likely. $40-$50 is more likely, depending on what you choose to use.

@RoNiZZiE

Your level of ignorance and insanity is amazing. Rationalize and fabricate lies all you like, the facts will remain unchanged.

@RoNiZZiE i no i cant what to get it

@RoNiZZiE
1) When was XBL hacked?
2) Where the hell did you get over a $100 from?
3) Enjoying some MP this weekend on your PSN? ;)

@RoNiZZiE Good point, and I'm sorry you have to hear about everyone bitch about the specifics like how Xbox Live wasn't hacked. You made valid points my friend.

@ToTheMoon You know you look just as big of an idiot, right? I love how people put others down for doing the exact same thing they do.

I hope all of you fanboys, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo...whoever, just drop dead. You ruin every game community that has ever existed.

@Once known as Shadsy

Where's your proof that it's coming out?

They delayed it once already.
They'll probably delay it to Forever.

@R Planteer But he was right about XBLM being hacked through Bungie.net. Not so much about being down for getting hacked for 2 weeks... but definitely right about Bungie.net hacks.

Here's proof: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/xbox-live-hacked-accounts-stolen/131

@RoNiZZiE

Please vote this bullshitter down immediately.

@RoNiZZiE
PS+ is not the same as 100 dollars worth of free games. once that trial expires, so do the games. as in, they will be unplayable, and you'll have to delete them all.

all people are really getting with PS+ is a month long discount on a few games.

@(Unverified)

#1 Yes they are.
#2 Yes they did.

@R Planateer

Read the full report. The cc info isn't believed to be stolen as it was encrypted while personal information wasn't. You know what I see? A bunch of xbox fanboys taking pot shots. How do you know that there has been an attack on XBL servers? You don't. Instead of gloating like a pissy bitch why not let this thing play out? How about not sensationalizing everything. They learnt of the intrusion and shut down the network. Following a thorough forensic analysis they concluded cc info probably wasn't compromised and promptly warned people once the analysis was complete. If anything, you are lucky that PSN was targeted first because it's a wake up call for MS & Nintendo.

Regardless of what your rose colored glasses allow you to see XBL servers aren't an impenetrable fortress.

You are the WORST kind of fanboy. I'd pay to see you feign outrage over XBL servers being hacked. Knowing MS they probably wouldn't tell you until you threatnef to sue them anyway like with the 360's launch.

I hope your enjoying this because something similar will eventually happen to you and then you'll have to sort out fact from fanboy fiction.

Keep up the hyperbole ... My components run on your tears.

@RoNiZZiE

XBL account info was gotten to thru Bungie.Net and/or users Windows Live ID. And XBL was NOT down for 2 weeks - there were intermittent connection issues due to increase in traffic.

@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell

I know I'm way late on this, but...

Johnny, I love how you follow me around, responding to my posts 1/2 a day after I post them, attempting to put words in my mouth.

Where am I taking pot shots? Am I gloating, saying "hahaha, PSN is down?" What am I sensationalizing? The only thing I did in this thread was argue against and previously stated point, which I believe to be wrong, and as both an Xbox owner AND someone who has education in the field of network security, I believe my opinions are valid ones.

No where did I state that XBL servers are "an impenetrable fortress", again this is you putting words in my mouth.
In my entire post history, I DEFY YOU to find ONE SINGLE COMMENT, in which I indicate that the attacks on Sony are a good thing.

I didn't, because they AREN'T a good thing, and as someone who, once again, knows a little bit (but not a lot) about this network security mumbo jumbo, I have geniune sympathy for both Sony as a corporation, and their network security team, who probably has a thousand fires lit under the asses by the higher ups, who are probably demanding them to wave magical fairy wands to make this all go away, when in reality its a massive amount of work.

As for me being lucky PSN was attacked, well, yes and no. Given that MS software has been hacked in some way, shape, or form, every day for the past 20 years, they are probably slightly better at handling this sort of a situation than a hardware company. Just like Sony makes hardware that doesn't blow up every few years, but has some obvious weaknesses in the software side of things. Different company, different strengths/weaknesses. But yeah, I'm sure MS is probably double-checking their hacker-seeking missiles right about now. Nintendo, I’m not so worried about given that fact that in order to attack a network infrastructure, it has to exist in the first place.
Yeah, if MS servers I’d be a bit pissed off, but not really surprised, given the fact that MS is widely hated in both the white hat and black hat community. In all of my network security classes, I’ve yet to meet a single person that was anything better than neutral about MS.
I’m NOT enjoying this. I have friends that have PS3’s. None of them stupid enough to link their CC’s to it, but ones that are probably looking forward to a increase in spam on their junk email accounts. As for the fanboy fiction, again, please point me towards something that you can give me a source proving that it is indeed fiction, and I will gladly man up and eat my words.
I am seriously trying to remember where in my past I wounded you so much that you would actively wish harm upon me, ( you want hackers to get my CC number? The f*ck dude?) but I’m totally drawing a blank. If at some point in time I pissed in your cornflakes, I do apologize.
As a closing statement, I would ask for emails of other people who’s components run on my tears, so I can start selling them in 1oz bottles, and also would ask where I can buy a pair of rose-colored glasses, as none of the Sunglass Huts around here sell those.
Sincerely,
“The worse kind of fanboy (trademark pending)”