Citing unnamed (and un-numbered) anonymous sources (plural), Kotaku is reporting a handful of notable, albeit predictable, details about Nintendo's upcoming Wii successor, codenamed Project Café. For instance, in lieu of a capacious hard drive, Nintendo will buck industry trends and offer a humble 8GB of flash-based memory augmented by SD card support. If rumors are true and Project Café offers a graphical experience at least competitive with the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, we're not sure what the storage solution for DLC (Red Dead Redemption's Undead Nightmare was over 1.5GB) or larger downloadable games (Comic Jumper is nearly 2GB) will be. With that constraint, digital distribution of retail titles would seemingly be off the table.
Speaking of retail games: Also rumored is the disc format for Project Café. It's said to hold 25GB of data which is roughly three times the size of a dual-layer DVD and over five times the size of the single-layer DVD that most Wii titles use. Also 25GB? A single-layer Blu-ray disc, though it's not clear if Project Café will use that standard or, even if it did, if it would enable movie playback. Despite using DVDs, the Wii famously doesn't support DVD video playback.
Speaking of Blu-ray video playback, the magic number usually tossed about by high-def home theater enthusiasts (and Sony marketing goons) is 1080, as in 1080p video resolution. That's one-thousand-and-eighty progressively scanned lines of resolution. Less popular: 1080i, which, yes, has one-thousand-and-eighty lines of resolution, but they're interlaced. If that doesn't sound familiar, that's because it's been somewhat absent since 1080p-compatible televisions and devices have filled the market. Kotaku reports it's heard "mixed things" as to whether Nintendo plans on offering 1080p (or, as Sony would put it circa 2006, "True HD") or 1080i.
As much as we want to believe every Project Café rumor we hear, we can't forget the delta between the console that Nintendo announced at E3 2006 and the one sitting on the shelf: DVD playback! USB hard drive support! Between now and Café's 2012 launch date, it's anyone's guess.
Reader Comments (186)
Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:47PM Imdavid said
Id be shocked if it even supported...gasp...DVDs.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:10PM MintagedVortex said
@Imdavid I'm not sure about you, but if the official discs for the console are equal in capacity to an average Blu-Ray disc...
No, I wouldn't be surprised either. I'd only be surprised if Nintendo unveiled their rumoured 'Super NintenDVD' format. Vapourware has to condense at some point, Ninty.
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No, I wouldn't be surprised either. I'd only be surprised if Nintendo unveiled their rumoured 'Super NintenDVD' format. Vapourware has to condense at some point, Ninty.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:42PM scottcarmichael said
@Imdavid DVDs - that's too recent of technology.
I LOVE the image for this article.
I was actually thinking Nintendo might be thinking straight - and then I heard about 8GB storage, no HDD and 25GB discs instead of just using industry-standard Blu-ray discs.
WTF
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I LOVE the image for this article.
I was actually thinking Nintendo might be thinking straight - and then I heard about 8GB storage, no HDD and 25GB discs instead of just using industry-standard Blu-ray discs.
WTF
Posted: May 3rd 2011 5:38PM BlueRajasmyk said
@Imdavid I want my holographic disc, damnit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_memory#In_the_video_game_market
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Posted: May 3rd 2011 7:45PM McDude said
@Imdavid
Hope this isn't true, though, it does sound like the Nintendo I've been acquainted with the last 10 years or so.
I don't get why they always wanna make shit hard for everyone else by doing it their way. It's not even like adding a hard drive would be that much more expensive. Just sounds like some stubborn shit like having friends codes for online.
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Hope this isn't true, though, it does sound like the Nintendo I've been acquainted with the last 10 years or so.
I don't get why they always wanna make shit hard for everyone else by doing it their way. It's not even like adding a hard drive would be that much more expensive. Just sounds like some stubborn shit like having friends codes for online.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 7:47PM HoopyHobo said
@Imdavid
The Wii's disc drive is a DVD drive so it does support DVDs just not the DVD-Video format. There's no technical reason for that, Nintendo just didn't want to pay the $5,000 licensing fee. And besides, by 2006 everybody already had cheap DVD players that probably worked better than whatever Nintendo would have thrown together. Using a Wiimote as an improvised DVD remote is not my idea of a good user experience. So yeah, the Wii2 probably won't support DVD-Video either, but it's not really something I would want or use anyway.
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The Wii's disc drive is a DVD drive so it does support DVDs just not the DVD-Video format. There's no technical reason for that, Nintendo just didn't want to pay the $5,000 licensing fee. And besides, by 2006 everybody already had cheap DVD players that probably worked better than whatever Nintendo would have thrown together. Using a Wiimote as an improvised DVD remote is not my idea of a good user experience. So yeah, the Wii2 probably won't support DVD-Video either, but it's not really something I would want or use anyway.
Posted: May 9th 2011 2:33PM XperimntNterror said
@HoopyHobo
The Wii does not use a standard DVD disc drive nor does it use a standard DVD format for games; it's a proprietary format called an RVT that has the same storage capacity of a DVD-5 disc. Another fun fact, an RVT disc is read spinning in the opposite direction from standard DVDs.
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The Wii does not use a standard DVD disc drive nor does it use a standard DVD format for games; it's a proprietary format called an RVT that has the same storage capacity of a DVD-5 disc. Another fun fact, an RVT disc is read spinning in the opposite direction from standard DVDs.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:47PM Uncle Jesse said
Ugh. E3 can't come soon enough. I'm getting tired of all the rumours and speculation.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:55PM A Sandwich said
@Uncle Jesse
I know, man. On the one hand it's fun to speculate but on the other it's like, "HAVE MERCY and just tell me already!"
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I know, man. On the one hand it's fun to speculate but on the other it's like, "HAVE MERCY and just tell me already!"
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:03PM cantwait2bhome said
@Uncle Jesse
Man, I was getting ready to say the same thing. E3 cannot come fast enough. I really want to get all the facts straight on this thing!
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Man, I was getting ready to say the same thing. E3 cannot come fast enough. I really want to get all the facts straight on this thing!
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:50PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said
@A Sandwich
Damnit, I just now got that, after almost an hour.
Well played.
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Damnit, I just now got that, after almost an hour.
Well played.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:48PM Nofriendo said
For a while I thought my Xbox 360 and PS3 games were always in true 1080p HD.
Boy was I wrong.
Boy was I wrong.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:15PM Mr Hett said
@Nofriendo
There are a few, but they're not very popular:
Cars Mater-National, Fifa Street 3, Full Auto 2, NBA07, NBA08, NBA Street Home court, Ridge Racer 7, Virtua Tennis 3, World Series Of Poker 2008, 1942: Joint Strike, Blast Factor, Calling All Cars, Echochrome, Elefunk, Fat Princess, Go Puzzle, High Velocity Bowling, Locoroco Cocoreccho, Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden, Rocketmen, Stardust HD, Sudoku, Wipeout HD, Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3
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There are a few, but they're not very popular:
Cars Mater-National, Fifa Street 3, Full Auto 2, NBA07, NBA08, NBA Street Home court, Ridge Racer 7, Virtua Tennis 3, World Series Of Poker 2008, 1942: Joint Strike, Blast Factor, Calling All Cars, Echochrome, Elefunk, Fat Princess, Go Puzzle, High Velocity Bowling, Locoroco Cocoreccho, Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden, Rocketmen, Stardust HD, Sudoku, Wipeout HD, Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:26PM baby sea tuna said
@Nofriendo
It completely ruined my enjoyment of RDR. I was so busy counting lines that I just couldn't find the time to have any fun.
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It completely ruined my enjoyment of RDR. I was so busy counting lines that I just couldn't find the time to have any fun.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 4:06PM Dismissile said
@Raffi256
[citation needed]
I'm not sure this is true. Could you provide something to back this up?
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[citation needed]
I'm not sure this is true. Could you provide something to back this up?
Posted: May 3rd 2011 4:41PM PointlessPuppies said
@Mr Hett
I wouldn't settle for 720p at all. That's sub-par for a console coming out in 2012. I'm underwhelmed by the upscaling of the 360 and PS3, but putting into perspective that those consoles are running on 5-6 years it's not complete blasphemy.
At this point, Nintendo shouldn't be "matching" 360 and PS3 power. They should be surpassing it, easily. If they come out with something "competitive" to 2005 hardware in 2012 that's underpowered, no two ways about it.
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I wouldn't settle for 720p at all. That's sub-par for a console coming out in 2012. I'm underwhelmed by the upscaling of the 360 and PS3, but putting into perspective that those consoles are running on 5-6 years it's not complete blasphemy.
At this point, Nintendo shouldn't be "matching" 360 and PS3 power. They should be surpassing it, easily. If they come out with something "competitive" to 2005 hardware in 2012 that's underpowered, no two ways about it.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 6:55PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said
@PointlessPuppies When you consider that games on PC/Mac from 6 years ago easily doubled 720p resolution, it is.
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Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:49PM baby sea tuna said
Haha, love that pic!
Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:50PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said
Best. Picture. EVER.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:51PM Frozen Radiator said
25GB disks would be a VERY good move for Nintendo.
I can't wait for E3. My 3DS is already getting a hard on.
I can't wait for E3. My 3DS is already getting a hard on.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:21PM PSN StaticShock said
@Frozen Radiator
I'm guessing it will be their own specialized disks but I agree with you. Hard on! *ahem* I mean right on
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I'm guessing it will be their own specialized disks but I agree with you. Hard on! *ahem* I mean right on
Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:51PM FriedConsole said
Why the hate for 1080p? That whole section sounds like some guy trying to rationalize why he didn't buy a 1080p television. 1080p isn't that much more expensive. It's worth the $50 extra bucks.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:12PM (Unverified) said
@FriedConsole
Because only few games actually support 1080p in the current hardware. Only the Xbox 360 scales to 1080p regardless of the original game resolution, while the PS3 does not scale up.
MS is doing it right; Sony is doing it wrong. It seems that Nintendo may be making the same mistake with cafe.
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Because only few games actually support 1080p in the current hardware. Only the Xbox 360 scales to 1080p regardless of the original game resolution, while the PS3 does not scale up.
MS is doing it right; Sony is doing it wrong. It seems that Nintendo may be making the same mistake with cafe.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 4:59PM jackal said
@(Unverified)
"MS is doing it right; Sony is doing it wrong."
How, pray tell, is Microsoft doing it right? Upscaling is still upscaling; it doesn't matter if you're doing it through hardware (360) or through software (PS3), you're still taking a smaller image and blowing it up to fill up the screen.
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"MS is doing it right; Sony is doing it wrong."
How, pray tell, is Microsoft doing it right? Upscaling is still upscaling; it doesn't matter if you're doing it through hardware (360) or through software (PS3), you're still taking a smaller image and blowing it up to fill up the screen.
Posted: May 4th 2011 5:24PM jackal said
@GrayHero
"So, MS should let it play at 1080p and make you just deal with playing at 10FPS? "
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't seem to have written anything even remotely close to that in my comment. Let me re-read it...and nope...I said nothing remotely close to that. What I did say is that the end result of upscaling is going to be exactly the same no matter what method has been implemented to do so. To say Microsoft's method of upscaling (hardware) is correct and Sony's (software) isn't is completely biased, fanboy crap because they both do they same damn thing; they're both taking a smaller image and blowing it up to cover more pixels without adding the additional information required to make use of them. If you're going to call me out on something, try doing so based on what I ACTUALLY SAID instead of what you think I said.
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"So, MS should let it play at 1080p and make you just deal with playing at 10FPS? "
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't seem to have written anything even remotely close to that in my comment. Let me re-read it...and nope...I said nothing remotely close to that. What I did say is that the end result of upscaling is going to be exactly the same no matter what method has been implemented to do so. To say Microsoft's method of upscaling (hardware) is correct and Sony's (software) isn't is completely biased, fanboy crap because they both do they same damn thing; they're both taking a smaller image and blowing it up to cover more pixels without adding the additional information required to make use of them. If you're going to call me out on something, try doing so based on what I ACTUALLY SAID instead of what you think I said.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 2:51PM Pure Black World Tendency said
Yes this is all good, but will it have tentacles?
Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:06PM baby sea tuna said
@Pure Black World Tendency
Well, it *is* Japanese...
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Well, it *is* Japanese...








