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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:30PM Epoque said

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That should give them the extra time they need to suck out even more RPG elements.

Posted: May 4th 2011 2:32PM baby sea tuna said

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@Epoque

Oh shut up.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:47PM RudyHuxtable said

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@Epoque

I've been sitting here trying to think of a witty response, a way to use your own words against you, but I can't think of one because what you said is so patently ridiculous no amount of snark or sarcasm can save you.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:51PM Epoque said

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It's alright, I forgive you guys.

Bringing up harsh yet well deserved criticism at a time when people are obviously distraught over a great game being delayed ... I should have given it time, totally my fault. Though I only jest because I care.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:53PM HedonisticKai said

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@Epoque

I don't agree with this, but,

I just felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:56PM RudyHuxtable said

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@Epoque

I'm not distraught about it at all! This is a good thing. Gives me more time to pull the wool over my spouse's eyes about how much I spend on games.

You're just wrong.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:57PM Jodash64 said

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@Epoque
Man, I don't even understand what people mean when criticizing ME2 for "less RPG elements."
Sure, the leveling up was less specific, but I thought there was plenty of role-playing considering you CHOOSE EVERY LINE OF DIALOGUE

#lateresponsetocriticism
#alreadybeensaidbyothers
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:58PM Shiz said

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@RudyHuxtable

And yet he has a point.

http://draczeq.ic.cz/RPGNowAndThen.jpg
(Not the image I wanted but, its true :D )
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:00PM Epoque said

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"Only thing that could be better is the ps3 version is gimped or hacked on day 1"

Why would that be a good thing exactly?
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:12PM Epoque said

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@TheFirstLegionnaire Codswallop that is.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:27PM Negatron said

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@Epoque

A tongue lashing from RudyHuxtable...

I'm embarrassed with shame and i wasn't even here!
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:28PM Geohotz fanboi said

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@Epoque

damn this guy is getting too much hate i better save him! DRAGON AGE 2 WAS GOOD!

now everyone will hate me you're welcome dude :)
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:34PM Mehbah said

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@Jodash64

That's horribly ironic, since ME is one of the series that DON'T let you pick what you say. You just pick a general thing and then your character says something you can't possibly predict. ME is horrible for role playing, because you're never fully in control of your character.

And the delay will probably only be good, because it has a short enough development cycle as it is.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:40PM RudyHuxtable said

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@Shiz

haha that's an awesome link! I often think about this myself: if Baldur's Gate could be made 10 years ago with the technology we have today, what would it have looked like? I think RPGs like that still exist but they have a lower Profile. The Eschalon games are fun! You should try them!
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:58PM Uberdave said

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@TheFirstLegionnaire

Words cannot possibly express my contempt for people like you. The whole point of RPGs is to immerse yourself in another character and another world. The story and character and choice are what make an rpg, not the battle system. MASS EFFECT 2 is an excellent example of how rpgs are should be done because not only is the story good and it gives you an excellent degree of control over the fates of the characters, but it even manages to have decent combat.

For decades we had to subsist on crappy battle systems and floating numbers and dice rolls out of nostalgia to tabletop games, who only had those conventions because there was no other way to reliably simulate combat. Games have no such problem. You are clinging to a stopgap.

Bioware is offering you a flying car and you are griping because it isn't drawn by horses.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 4:07PM Mehbah said

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@Mehbah

Haha, watch as the idiots downvote you for stating clear facts. What, does it make you sad to have someone tell you that Mass Effect, by definition, isn't much of an RPG? You never know what your character will say or do next, aside from the basic walking and shooting. It's not role playing if you can't actually decide what your character will say.

And don't get me started on the QTEs (oh, wait, "interrupts"). They need to show you what the hell they do before you press them. Some are obvious, but others require magical powers if you want to know what will happen before you press the button.

It's not role playing when you have essentially no control over what your character does.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 4:16PM archipelagos said

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@Jodash64 There's a lot more to an RPG than choosing dialogue but if you're happy to let that define the experience for you then that's fair enough. It's just a bit harsh to slam others because they would like more.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 5:53PM ticklefist said

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@TheFirstLegionnaire

Spoiler warning breh
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Posted: May 4th 2011 6:09PM houser said

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@Jodash64 NO, had I chosen every line of dialogue there is zero chance Kaiden or Ashley (depending on which Shep I was using) would have stayed on Horizon in a huff. You were railroaded and there were literally a half dozen well reasoned arguments that could have been made instead of basically intentionally antagonizing them.

It was an unfortunate reality for ME2 being the middle chapter in a choose your own adventure, but you were definitely on rails.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 6:14PM Shiz said

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@RudyHuxtable

Dear god, what is up with these mass down votes of the truth >_>'
I feel there are many EA employees working here, or just people that have not really played a "classic" RPG.

Having said that, I did enjoy playing through ME/ME2.... the way they actually let intimidate/ charm be useful, etc.
But let's face it, compared to the old greats they're nothing (200hrs min for BG2?...Conv scripts that were freaking HUGE......)
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Posted: May 4th 2011 6:20PM houser said

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@Uberdave Yeah just like the choice of arguing on Horizon better than basically engaging in personal attacks...or for that matter the choice of trying to make clear the mission where MOST of the people that KNOW for a fact that ancient genocidal monsters are coming can't be arsed to help. Or the choice of working with Cerberus at all.

And reliably simulate combat? REALLY? So if I shoot someone they will always suffer the same abstract damage and everyone has the same tolerance for injury? Maybe head shots where the slim chance of an alternative to a target being neutralized isn't relevant, but you sure as hell can have wildly different results from similarly place shots. And if we ARE going to have that abstraction, then why not give the player a peak as to how those numbers interact? In real life there is plenty of data that could give you objective measures as to the effectiveness of guns.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 6:21PM Nick Frost said

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@Uberdave
Very, VERY well said.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 6:23PM RudyHuxtable said

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@Shiz

I was disagreeing with you, but the magis is I wasn't being an asshole about it, nor did I downvote you. More importantly, I complimented you and a link well served. That's a funny picture. The problem with Joystiq and the Internet in general is it's really easy for people to go "Eff you you're stupid" and downvote without considering what the other person is saying. But fear not! The last people on earth I give a shit for the opinions of is reactionary Joystiq readers... except for maybe Bradwart.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 6:27PM ticklefist said

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@Shiz

I think the point being missed is that regardless of genre, or genre bending in this case, the game is still quite fun and enjoyed by many.
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Posted: May 5th 2011 12:04AM akeso said

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@Shiz
One of the things I've noticed about Joystiq is that the downvotes are almost all towards anything that isn't "rah rah rah this game rocks."
Fact is the system is designed in such a way that the fanboys can eliminate anyone they don't like from the debate.
Frankly, it's something I don't like about the set up on joystiq.
Yes, it's designed to eliminate flamers, but often times people just saying unpopular truths get drowned in the mess.
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Posted: May 5th 2011 12:54AM (Unverified) said

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@Shiz Mate, that pic is awesome. I was laughing my head off out loud in my office because of that! Cheers! :)
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Posted: May 5th 2011 5:32AM Fullmetal Salchemist said

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@Epoque

That's ridiculous. What they're really doing is trying to find a way to make the shooting sections even more linear and corridor-like.
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Posted: May 5th 2011 7:37AM buck hunter said

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@Geohotz fanboi and so they did... your sacrifice will not be forgotten haha
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Posted: May 5th 2011 11:27AM (Unverified) said

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@Geohotz fanboi
:)
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:30PM Its The Rocketeer said

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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:37PM NaeemTHM said

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@Its The Rocketeer

I'm actually a bit relieved! More time for Skyrim, Uncharted, and Batman Arkham City. Those three games are probably going to consume me later this year.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:48PM RudyHuxtable said

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@NaeemTHM

I was having a hard time justifying so many games to the spouse this year so in a way this is a blessing. A shitty underhanded unwanted blessing, but still.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:01PM Spartan117458 said

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@Its The Rocketeer

Got to it before I did. I don't know how much longer I can wait for ME3.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:19PM MGTrey said

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@RudyHuxtable: Yeah, I'm sure Bud don't play that.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:25PM Its The Rocketeer said

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@NaeemTHM

ME3 was my Skyrim :(
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Posted: May 4th 2011 3:41PM RudyHuxtable said

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@MGTrey

Probably the funniest thing I'll read in all of 2011. +1.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 4:37PM Tezz said

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@NaeemTHM you have a point, at first i was incredibly upset because i really want to finish the whole story arc but then so many other good games are coming out, i dont want to miss them either.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 10:43PM SirUrza said

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@Its The Rocketeer

Funny you should bring up the NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

They could be clearing room for SWTOR's release.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:31PM Yisrael said

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No no please no , no please anything but this please NOO!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: May 4th 2011 2:32PM (Unverified) said

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I am fine with this. There are way to many games to play and they are all coming out right around the end of the year.

Posted: May 4th 2011 2:32PM PointlessPuppies said

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Good. The last half of this year was getting FAR too crowded in big releases anyway.

Posted: May 4th 2011 6:07PM Liquidfingers said

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@PointlessPuppies

good thing that a lot of them will get delayed. happens every time.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 6:03PM Michelobius said

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I always see delays as good news unless it's like, the 3rd or 4th time a game is delayed. This comes as welcome news to both my wallet and schedule.

Posted: May 4th 2011 2:32PM AltairArcanum said

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Ah well. More time for Uncharted 3.

More time in development = better game.

Posted: May 4th 2011 2:35PM baby sea tuna said

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@AltairArcanum

I think you mean "Skyrim" since you can probably still finish Uncharted 3 in a weekend.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:36PM Nashk said

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@baby sea tuna

You know this delay might actually be a good thing. The holidays this year had too many great games releasing close to each other anyways.

Besides i'm sure I can make skyrim last until ME3.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:40PM AltairArcanum said

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@baby sea tuna

Oh, I was unaware you couldn't go online after you finished the single-player campaign.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:43PM baby sea tuna said

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@AltairArcanum

Good point, let's play Uncharted 2 online right now!
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Posted: May 4th 2011 2:50PM (Unverified) said

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