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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:50PM The Wicker Man said

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Screw you Griffin for posting this image of our honorable Justices! Now, all I can think of is The Daily Show's America book and the horrid naked pictures of them all....ewwwww.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:58PM (Unverified) said

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@The Wicker Man
i miss a DSG cameo
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:08PM The Wicker Man said

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@(Unverified) Now more than ever! Griffin get off your arse and shop this mug!
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:53PM The Wicker Man said

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@Tradio For chrissakes! That is the most ignorant and hateful comment of the day! Thinking like that makes you worse than any conservative boogyman you dislike. Politics should not be treated as a college football rivalry game.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:53PM GreenLight said

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I looked at the picture and thought, "Which one of these doesn't belong?"

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:56PM The Wicker Man said

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@GreenLight To answer your question, Thomas and Scalia! To be fair to Scalia, he did rule in defense of gaming today. But, hey, just my opinion.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:46PM saintstryfe said

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@GreenLight Scalia. He's the only one there who actually was born without a soul. Thomas sold it in exchange for confirmation, and Alito did for a pack of gum at age 9.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:08PM The Joy of Painting w Bob Ross said

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@saintstryfe

Hey now, Justice Thomas clearly stands firm when he takes a side. The side that pays him the most money.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:54PM mkernan said

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Excellent analysis, Griffin.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:54PM JasonA said

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I'm guessing the Judge at the bottom right is voting for the ban.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:58PM The Wicker Man said

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@JasonA try bottom left.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:11PM Fire Walk With Me said

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@JasonA thats Ginsburg and she would never vote for this ban. Get educated.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:24PM JasonA said

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@Fire Walk With Me

Get educated?

I was just trying to make a joke based on her appearance.

Also, I'm not from the U.S. so I'm not sure why I would get educated about a bunch of U.S. Judges.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:30PM Fire Walk With Me said

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@JasonA Judging someone based on looks is hilarious in all countries.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:43PM Once known as Shadsy said

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@JasonA Because based on how our system is set up, the second guy from the right in the bottom row wields a depressing amount of power. He can basically decide what's legal and what isn't.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:55PM GreenLight said

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Never wish death on someone, broseph.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:23PM Shadowbender said

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@GreenLight

If more people were like you, what a wonderful society we'd inhabit. Thank you.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:56PM Raffi256 said

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The first amendment only applies to acts by Congress and this is California law, so the First Amendment doesn't apply even though SCOTUS wrongly assumes that it does.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:00PM The Wicker Man said

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@Raffi256 anytime I hear the court referred to as SCOTUS my inner 12yr old reads, Scrotus...it is a god damn shame. ;)
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:05PM (Unverified) said

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@Raffi256 Only if you ignore the 14th Amendment, which SCOTUS believes that the First Amendment would apply to the local state level.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:11PM scribe999 said

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@Raffi256 please also see Article VI, Clause 2, also known as the Supremacy Clause. "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding. "
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:13PM vidguy said

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@Raffi256

First Amendment applies to the states by the Fourteenth. Extremely well settled law.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:15PM Raffi256 said

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Yeah but they're wrong though. The 14th amendment was to ensure that States wouldn't place US citizens on unequal footing with their own citizens. It was just to add weight to the emancipation proclamation. States wouldn't never willingly surrender their authority over their own territories.

Besides, up to 1925 even SCOTUS would say “neither the 14th Amendment nor any other provision of the Constitution of the United States imposes upon the states any restrictions about ‘freedom of speech’ …” Then they suddenly did a complete reversal and start ASSUMING it applies even though they would never be able to prove it.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:22PM TheRedComet said

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@Raffi256

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, my friend. EVERYTHING must comply with it.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:41PM Raffi256 said

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@TheRedComet

Yes but it also describes only limited, enumerated powers. It's not a blank check, if it had such far-reaching powers to trample on the authority of states to regulate within their borders, it would have never been enacted. Besides most states, if not all, include their own freedom of speech protections in their own constitutions, which would be meaningless if the First Amendment somehow applied to state law.

The first amendment was only added as an assurance (simply a declaratory statement) that no one would have to fear the US government charging anyone with seditious libel. It doesn't have anything with individuals buying or selling video games, or states passing laws to enforce moral order within their own territories. That's just fiction that the courts invented over the past 100 years.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:23PM (Unverified) said

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@Raffi256 Well, to be fair, I think the courts didn't have to address the issue with the 14th Amendment applying to the 1st Amendment until Gitlow v. New York. The courts often come up with rulings it never ruled on before.

Personally, I agree with the SCOTUS ruling that the First Amendment applies to states. However, that's based on my limited interpretation of my reading of the Constitution, and the rulings made by SCOTUS. You're interpretation could be completely different, and that's completely fine.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 4:28PM (Unverified) said

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@Raffi256 even if the discussion of the first amendment isn't appropriate in your opinion because states have freedom of speech within their individualized constitutions the fact of the matter is that the supreme court is the final court of appeal. it was the proponents of the legislation that wanted the scotus to hear it in the first place as all the lower courts decided it was unconstitutional in accordance with fed and state constitutions.

the scotus only hears cases of constitutional importance that would have wide reaching implications or on issues of circuit splits. if they denied cert and the issue cropped up again in another circuit they still would potentially have to decide on the same matter of the legality of video game censorship regardless of if the first amendment only applies to acts of congress. just look at how many states started enacting citizenship identification legislation after Arizona signed theirs into law.

however, while pruneyard v. robins shows that states CAN provide broader rights for individuals in their constitutions over the federal constitution, i.e. California's free speech laws give greater leeway than the first amendment, pruneyard also establishes that these laws must not infringe on rights guaranteed within the fed constitution. you may say this is just fiction created by the courts, but the concept of stare decisis is well embedded within the common law tradition.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:19PM Raffi256 said

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I know that courts have lots of doctines like stare decisis that are well-established, but it doesn't change the fact that rulings like this one sound totally absurd. I mean c'mon, a constitutional amendment restricting acts by congress applied to a state law regulating the sale of video games? If you consider the original meaning of the law it sounds so ridiculous. I don't understand how any of this is legitimate. The judges are in effect changing the law through judicial decree instead of it happening through legitimate republican means and that's totally broken.
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Posted: Jun 28th 2011 2:33AM The Tr0ll T0ll said

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@Raffi256 "I know that courts have lots of doctines like stare decisis that are well-established, but it doesn't change the fact that rulings like this one sound totally absurd. I mean c'mon, a constitutional amendment restricting acts by congress applied to a state law regulating the sale of video games? If you consider the original meaning of the law it sounds so ridiculous. I don't understand how any of this is legitimate. The judges are in effect changing the law through judicial decree instead of it happening through legitimate republican means and that's totally broken."

The judges didn't change the law in question, they ruled it unconstitutional, and as such, invalid. While you are very likely correct that the 14th amendment was originally intended for a *primary* purpose other than this, that doesn't mean that the SCOTUS, or we as citizens, can just ignore the *letter* of the constitution now. If we do that, what good is any of it??
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:56PM Shadowbender said

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All I gotta say is that I'm so, so very happy that games are now seen as a serious medium of expression that should be regarded as highly as that of a great painting or a cinematic masterpiece or a musical classic.

After all these years, I think we've finally entered a new age of acceptance for a relatively young frontier. This is historical, I gotta say.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:03PM The Wicker Man said

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@Shadowbender This decision in no way affords gamess with any credibility and artistic merit to people who dislike them. Roger Ebert wont change his mind and neither will the rest of them. But hey, screw 'em! We know they are great and so will our kids. Gamers won a pyhrric victory today...plenty more mean moral bastards will come for us.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:22PM Shadowbender said

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@The Wicker Man

It's sad, being that I love Roger Ebert's film reviews, that his opinion could be so tragically wrong on video games. Luckily, though, the man basically apologized for his statements last summer after all the complaints, saying that it was foolish for him to declare games as "not art" in the first place, saying it would be like him giving a half-star review to a movie he had never seen.

But the "games as art debate" is still a debate on creativity, which in discussions dealing with that kind of manner, we're debating more on an emotional level than a factual one. However, for old men to outright disregard games as a worthwhile piece of media, when they themselves have probably barely felt the softness of a controller in their lifetime, in then call it "trash" and whatnot, which is totally untrue when you have absolutely spectacular ideas and emotions coming from games...sorry, I tend to ramble, but you understand my displeasure in the ignorance some of these people radiate off of themselves.

But in the end, we should be thankful of today's happening. :)
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:56PM eudaimo said

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Concise, clear and accurate. Thank you, Griffin.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:56PM Wiizer said

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@chocobox

Why so cynical?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:57PM The Wicker Man said

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@chocobox. Nobody paid of the Justices...c'mon!

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:58PM eudaimo said

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@chocobox What are you talking about? Do you have any evidence that the games industry "paid off" members of the Supreme Court? Like, at all?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:01PM Crimsic said

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@The Wicker Man
Geeze, I'm fairly conservative but I'd never say something like that towards a liberal minded official. How has this not been downvoted yet?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:03PM prence said

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What this means to us: We will still have 12 yr olds yelling the n word during Call of Duty matches.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:23PM hapa77 said

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@prence kids who cant buy it will have mommy buy it from them anyways.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:24PM hapa77 said

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@hapa77 i ment for them*
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 7:49PM Vesuvium said

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@prence
This would not have changed it. Young kids already can't buy M rated games in 99% of stores. They need someone to buy them for them.

This law would have changed none of that.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:04PM Daverator said

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@Tradio
Generally, hoping that people die in order to advance a political goal is considered poor taste. Especially when it involves someone who just ruled in your favor (assuming posting to a video game blog means you are in favor of the ruling).

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:05PM Tihn said

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What's Stephen Hawkings doing down there on the lower right?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:15PM (Unverified) said

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@Tihn Hilarious you dolt. Ruth Ginsburg is one of the only reasons you still have a pot to piss in you rat. She is a ****ing American Hero.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:06PM The Wicker Man said

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@Crimsic Give it a minute! ;) I'm just saying I don't understand why a reasonable person doesn't vote for candidates who are qualified regardless of party affiliation. People like that guy are we get morons in office.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:08PM DJ Kenneth A said

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Hooray!!

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:10PM Adhesive said

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@Tradio
Why di you thibk liberal jusitces havw your best in mind?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:11PM FriedConsole said

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@The Wicker Man

That's what politics have become. Most people who follow politics follow it like sports. They have no idea about the laws being passed. They just wait for the latest sex scandal to jump on the opposing team. The score of the game is in the elections.

I used to follow politics but now I follow sports and video games instead. Every political discussion winds up going down to the same boring ideology discussion. It is much more interesting to talk about sports, music, movies and video games with people and usually you can find one of these topics to talk with for most people. Unfortunately there is always that guy at the party who wants to talk politics because he wants to snark about some gaff that Palin/Obama said. I always have to stop the urge to smash my beer bottle of his/her head.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:12PM Mmmmz said

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I always find it interesting watching "liberals" and "conservatives".

Conservatives deride "liberal nanny state government" and laws that make the government larger but at the same time they want laws depriving freedoms and creating an overbearing government.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:25PM FriedConsole said

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@Mmmmz

Leland Yee, who proposed the law, is a liberal democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Yee

To generalize:

Liberal - Opposed to violence in video games
Conservative - Opposed to sex in video games

Liberal and Conservative Video Game Laws - Dumb

Most law makers propose laws and talk about video games for posturing. I am not worried about any significant laws being past to block access to games I want to play.

Nobody should be giving money to these organizations that are trying to "protect video games" and use scare tactics. Most of them are trade organizations that are looking out the business interests of publishers who don't need the money.
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