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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:05PM FuzzyPierce said

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Okay, now give us actual control over our purchases and let us trade games in general.

Astounding that digital distribution is the future, but we can't even trade our games. If I don't want a game anymore, why can't I give, or at the very least trade, it away? I can do it with *everything else I own*.

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:09PM xiLeShadow said

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@FuzzyPierce

Valve already said they want to do that. However, publishers and developers are against the idea.

They would lose a sale from someone if that someone wants the game (and has the desire and will of buying the game). Because, that someone could easily ask someone else around who will trade a copy (a publisher and/or developer already got a share from).
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:10PM FuzzyPierce said

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@xiLeShadow Publishers can eat a bowl of dicks, we can do it with everything else we own (including physical versions of their damn games). And that's our right. If they don't want people trading their games or trading in their games, they need to start making games that nobody wants to trade in.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:10PM (Unverified) said

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@FuzzyPierce That's..........actually a pretty decent idea. Sure it could use some finer tuning, but it seems kinda cool. Unfortunately I can see people trying to abuse the hell out of that system.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:17PM SisypheanLife said

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@FuzzyPierce

If people could just trade their games, then people wouldn't need to buy them. Part of the reason that DD games get marked down so heavily is because there is no appreciable secondary market and very little cost to the seller. They have no incentive to let you.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:24PM Heck Guy said

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@FuzzyPierce So how exactly are you expecting the devs that can eat out of this bowl of dicks to make any money and continue making games?
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:38PM FuzzyPierce said

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@Heck Guy THE SAME WAY EVERY OTHER INDUSTRY DOES.

THE SAME WAY THEY CURRENTLY DO WITH PHYSICAL COPIES.

What is with this "The industry will EXPLODE into a violent fireball of DEATH if people are allowed to treat their property as their property" mindset?
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:57PM xiLeShadow said

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@FuzzyPierce

Hey Rere...

The digital data is not yours. The digital data is licensed to you and solely you, for the purpose of non-commercial usage.

The only thing you truly own, is the DVD disc, the data (which I'll remind again, is not yours) is imprinted onto.


Digital Downloads DON'T USE Discs. As such, NOTHING IS YOURS!
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 10:12PM Heck Guy said

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@FuzzyPierce Hey, I think it'd be rad if we could do that, but I don't think it'd be rad if the devs couldn't make games anymore because one dude is circulating one copy of "Time Traveling Pirate Mayhem X: Return of Captain Kill" to his entire forum.
Especially in the current state with the economy and pirating and what not. The only reason anyone would buy a copy of the game at that point is to play multi-player with their friends.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 10:47PM FuzzyPierce said

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@Heck Guy Good argument. FANTASTIC argument. I must've forgotten about the entire game industry dying because everyone shares the same copy of each game.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 11:10PM Heck Guy said

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@FuzzyPierce Argument? I thought we were discussing. And I'm not saying that it'd be the downfall of the entire industry, I'm just saying it'd be a heavy blow to devs.
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Posted: Sep 7th 2011 1:50AM BlueXArmed said

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@FuzzyPierce

You're wrong. It's not your "right" because you agreed to the Steam Subscriber Agreement every time you downloaded a game and that agreement states:

"Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal use in accordance with this Agreement and the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software."

Tough shit.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:06PM Jet Grind Radio said

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Now I might actually trade my buds.. ;)

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:07PM xiLeShadow said

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Any game that was purchased as a gift (or as an extra copy as part of a bundle).

This is good. How many times have you bought a bundle of games, but you already had like 2 -3 of them. They went to no-use (unless it said you could gift it).

Now you can trade those to other people. =D

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:09PM FuzzyPierce said

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@xiLeShadow Would be nice...except in most cases, you don't GET the extra game. At all. Like, it's not even an option. This likely won't change that at all. If you buy X bundle and already have one of the games, you don't get it. With the ability to trade extras? They sure as hell still aren't gonna give it to you. Valve doesn't seem too keen on the concept at all.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:19PM SisypheanLife said

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@xiLeShadow

I think the bundles they were referring to are the multipacks of one game, not the bundles of different games.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:36PM xiLeShadow said

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@SisypheanLife

NOOOOO...
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 10:03PM Shadowbender said

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@xiLeShadow

The Gift feature as a whole is already a magnificent idea in the first place. It just is.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:07PM Heck Guy said

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That image is the most adorable thing ever.

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:07PM Tooat said

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I miss buying a game and playing it until i bought the next one!

I guess im just getting old!

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:20PM Special Agent Steve said

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I seriously wish the prices of hats and such weren't so absurdly high. $12 for the made man? Spy is my main class and I can't even make him look classy.
Valve soils my reputation of being a gentlemen assassin; most people don't even notice my fancy fedora :( .

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 10:42PM Kibbles XIII said

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@Special Agent Steve

If you were that good of a spy they wouldn't be able to see you at all
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Posted: Sep 7th 2011 12:52AM Special Agent Steve said

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@Kibbles XIII
It's called kill cam brah.
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Posted: Sep 7th 2011 12:32PM Apakal said

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@Special Agent Steve

You could have a damn panda bear on your head. I'm still not going to think twice about shooting you in the face.

Hate spies...
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:25PM Drakkenfyre said

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It has one major, pain in the ass flaw. If you trade TF2 items out-of-game, it does not keep the order you have items in your backpack, and it does not show you the quality of the items.

Want to trade your regular (whatever) for someone else's (whatever), but you have two regular (whatevers), and one Vintage? Good luck. You have a 1 in 3 chance of trading your Vintage one away without knowing it.

It literally does not distinguish the items at all from the other ones. It simply shows the name and the description. No "Vintage", no "Genuine", no item level, just the name in the normal color.

Posted: Sep 7th 2011 6:11AM Drakkenfyre said

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Wow, you missed that guy's comment by about three comments.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 10:07PM Nova17899 said

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@FuzzyPierce
Because YOU DON'T OWN THE GAME. You own the discount, that the game is on. When you download a game, you "own" the product key that allows you to play it. You can't just make up a product key to sell. That's why. I don't get why you're so butthurt about this anyways. If you want to be able to trade games, just buy physical copies
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 9:50PM PointlessPuppies said

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@sonofman

Congratulations! You have officially invented the concept of trading! Absolutely nobody, especially those sods in ancient times using their "barter system", has ever thought of that before!

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 10:00PM Shadowbender said

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Makes total sense for Valve to do this. I just hope I don't get a lot of hitchhiker spammers who bug me about trading certain things.

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 10:07PM tendoboy1984 said

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If someone gifts you a game, of course you're going to play it. What else are you gonna do? Stare at it?

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 10:41PM mcnichoj said

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Any German readers that want to trade Darksiders and The Ball for non-censored versions?

Posted: Sep 6th 2011 11:17PM sortius said

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@sonofman you were downvoted because you didn't actually read. It's not trading games you fool.

Posted: Sep 7th 2011 3:30AM AMonkey said

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@sonofman "HES BEING LITERAL AND BELITTLING VALVE, GET HIM!"

Posted: Sep 7th 2011 8:06AM joer22784 said

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Valve and steam are awesome, hopefully devs and publishers will support this because we all know how much they love giving away free stuff.......

Posted: Sep 8th 2011 11:36AM Dizazter said

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@sonofman

Didn't trading gifted games used to be specifically against Steam's EULA?

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