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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:35PM Richard C Mongler PhD said

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Cher? Seriously? I need to read more about this.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:36PM killerjuice said

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@Richard C Mongler PhD

Yeah, this sounds pretty awesome. Ocarina of Time's "time warping" was awesome; combine that with great graphics, good music, and solid gameplay and you have day one purchase for me.

Final Fantasy XIII-2: The Lightning of Time
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:37PM bluejuan85 said

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I am impressed they found the time to to do this sequel but not have Versus XIII out yet and now I hear rumors of a XIII-3 as well. Square I am disappoint.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:38PM Destati said

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@bluejuan85
"I am impressed they found the time"
"time"

Even if it was unintentional, I see what you did there.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:55PM I am a machineee said

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@bluejuan85 SE just said that production on Versus is now at 100% so we should be good. XIII-2 was only in development for a year and a half.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:33PM bluejuan85 said

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@I am a machineee That's good to hear its just been a very long time you know it should have released by this time.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:37PM Destati said

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So why couldn't we just have a chrono trigger sequel instead?

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:52PM TheShaper said

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@Destati
I didn't want to get this old flame war started ONCE AGAIN as it happens in every post where CT is mentioned but there we go: we have. It's called Chrono Cross.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:55PM SecondTomorrow said

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@Destati
We had one, it was called Chrono Cross.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:59PM fadeoutagain2784 said

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@TheShaper

I have just a slight suspicion that Destati means "another" sequel in the CT series. ;-)

And as much as I'd love to see one some day, I'm doubtful that Square-Enix would do CT (or CC) justice with a new entry. That said, I'm hopeful for FFXIII-2 but I'm not expecting it to be an amazing game.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:05PM Vesuvium said

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@SecondTomorrow
Then why not another, and one that hopefully doesn't suck?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:22PM TheShaper said

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@fadeoutagain2784
Even though I lke CC, I'm not one of those who think it was the greatest game of all times. That was CT. Regardless, I don't think CC left much room for yet another sequel; besides, it's been 11 years.

Now come to think about it, SE loves remaking and then remaking the remake, they could have a much-dreamed CT remake for the game 20th anniversary in 4 years. Of course, they'd have to annouce it, like, tomorrow in order to have any chance to have it done by 2015. Additionally, they probably would make yet another unecessary FFIV remake (don't get me wrong, it's probably ma favorite FF) than giving people... it's not even giving us what we want rather than give what we scream and moan about (VS 13, KH 3 for some, the 100% certain hit "FFVII remake"). Oh well...
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:25PM Mmmmz said

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@Vesuvium
Chrono Cross only sucked in terms of being a "Sequel" but not as a game. Anyone that thinks it sucks as a game has no taste in Game - design, art, music and fun.

I mean seriously, to say that game sucked just shows ignorance. Sucked as a sequel to Radical Dreamers, er I mean Chrono Trigger, but it was a damn fine game by any other right.

That said, I too would like a true sequel to Chrono Trigger that has a feel and play more like it than trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:38PM laser beams said

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if only it could time travel back in time and kill Final Fantasy XIII...

/grandfather paradox

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:39PM Shadowbender said

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Nice. I'm assuming this allows us to travel forward 600 years to a time where Kingdom Hearts 3 is finally released.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:23PM The Joy of Painting w Bob Ross said

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@Shadowbender

Or travel a few years into the past and prevent FFXIV from ever being made.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:47PM Red Runner said

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But does it have time KOMPRESSION?

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:51PM OmgUmad said

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@Red Runner

KURSED SEED
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:48PM Angel Mass said

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Final Fantasy XIII-2: Back to the Future

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:51PM TheShaper said

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Not sure how I feel about this.

And Jordan, this is hardly "Final Fantasy's first and last hoorah in the realm of time travel". Final Fantasy ONE had it. And then again, FFVIII.

Lastly, I don't know in what world comparisons with Chrono Trigger would be a negative thing..

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 4:13PM Nyghtwynd said

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@TheShaper
Final Fantasy XI had time travel as well
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:52PM (Unverified) said

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"By locating hidden "Artefacts," Cher can unlock new locations and times for Noel and Serah to visit via the Historia Crux, which serves as the sequel's main vehicle for story progression and world navigation.
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Another linear FF....


You'd think they'd learn their lesson with FFXIII-1.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:54PM TheShaper said

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Haters will keep hatin'
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:57PM WhiteShield said

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If I'm not mistaken... aren't they all pretty much linear? I mean sure they aren't all go down this corridor but it isn't like here are five objectives you must complete before going onto the next main quest item. 13 may not have an open world map, but as far as FF games go compared to many comparable RPGs today, they have all been pretty linear
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:10PM Androu1 said

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@WhiteShield Final Fantasy XIII does have an open world. It's called Gran Pulse. Chapter 13, bitches.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:10PM Androu1 said

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@WhiteShield Final Fantasy XIII does have an open world. It's called Gran Pulse. Chapter 11
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:10PM Androu1 said

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@WhiteShield Final Fantasy XIII does have an open world. It's called Gran Pulse. Chapter 11, bitches.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:11PM Androu1 said

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@Androu1 Hahahaha oh god how did this happen.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:20PM (Unverified) said

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@TheShaper

Sheep will keep sheepin'. It's always best to speak out if you don't like somethng. Criticism is very necessary in the video game industry, and it's one of few ways that developers can learn from their mistakes.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:21PM DevilSei said

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@Androu1

Obviously you went back in time to the same moment you posted the first comment, and made a second post to change 13 to 11, and remove bitches. Then, the you who made the first post (in some alternative dimensional timey wimey thing), deciding to change it as well, posted the 3rd one just after that first, hence why it still has "bitches" in it along with the change from 13 to 11
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:22PM (Unverified) said

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@WhiteShield

FFXIII is literally hallway to hallway. It's not even comparable to the other FFs in terms of exploration.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:25PM (Unverified) said

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@Androu1

Yeah. You don't reach an overworld (if it can even be called that) until near the end of the damn game. Is that really acceptable?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:26PM WhiteShield said

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@Androu1
The "exploration" on Gran Pulse is a mere shadow of the exploration you could do in any of the other games as the only open area is the Archelyte Steppes or whatever its called. And even that is just a series of mini boss fights that you basically run around to
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:27PM Mmmmz said

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@Androu1
Calm Plains Part II
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:27PM WhiteShield said

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Having gone back though and playing most of the FF games, the exploration doesn't really compare to many comparable games. I see your point in that the hallway to hallway aspect leaves absolutely no room for exploration, but a game now a days like Mass Effect, Fallout, or Elder Scrolls has more exploration values than any of the previous FF games (granted they are done today, have a bigger budget and better equipment to make the game)
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:34PM TheShaper said

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You're too quick to jump into conclusions without any concrete fact, which is just plain bias. I'll give the game the benefit of the doubt 'till I can see it for myself. Besides, I don't know where you got from this "Historia Crux" (WTF with these latin/pseudo-latin stupid names though?) means the game is linear. We will never have anything like Fallout 3 from a Final Fantasy, but anything would be less linear than XIII. Besides, every FF is linear in comparison to Western RPGs, but if I wanted a Fallout-like game, I'd just play Fallout and not bitch and moan that FF is linear.

I do not condone FFXIII, I mean, it did get boring after a while, but my stubborness payed in spades when I reached Gran Pulse. Even though it the sidequests mostly consisted in hunting, that was amazing due to a well crafted battle system. Now do you see what an opinion looks like?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 4:31PM WEL said

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@Androu1 don't kid yourself, Pulse was just an empty wide area with some animals around. It had no exploration or anything else to do beside beating the crap out of some enemies. No quest for special weapons, armors, summons, additional powers.... Nothing. FFXIII was a one way route from point A to B like a FPS but with a turn based battle system.

All the background story was hidden in the Datalogs and the world was totally unrealized unlike prior FF games where you could get to know and explore the world in which you were playing in. You got to see how people dressed in the different towns, the architecture of the houses, the music that defined the mood of the different towns and other stuff. FFXIII was more about the characters because that was the easiest and fastest way to make the game. Linear as hell and everything carefully planned for you to just move forward. If I wanted to play something like that we already have a gazillion of games that plays just like that, like: Uncharted, GeoW or COD.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:55PM MystileArmor said

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Am I really the only person that enjoyed FFXIII? I mean, yeah, no towns blahblahblah, but it was a good game in it's own right. I just took it for what it was, a good story, fun combat mechanics.

I personally am excited to get this game.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:59PM WhiteShield said

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@MystileArmor
As devise as the game is, I think that there are people who really did enjoy the game (myself included). The thing is long time fans find some things divisive and there are other great RPGs that compete for people's time. Plus people love hating on FF13 anyway.

I too am excited for this game though
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:02PM Faceless Troll said

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@MystileArmor Compared to Crisis Core the combat mechanics were a massive step backwards.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:06PM Darklink2009 said

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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:12PM Androu1 said

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@MystileArmor I love it. 95 hours in. Still playing. Still have things to do. Still raging at how I haven't got a Trap but others have got 5 in an hour.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:40PM Mmmmz said

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@MystileArmor
I enjoyed the music, even though it was a bit sugary at times. But even though I liked the music they put it in the weirdest of places considering the current situation you were undergoing. Feel lost and confused? Here' let's blow some sunshine up your ass. Just a lot of design issues that made little sense in that entire game. Pacing, mood, quests, etc. That and they recycled a hell of a lot of the music for no particular reason.

That said, I've played much worse games and even though I was bitching during the entire game and after, I still committed 95 hours to the damn thing.

I simply did not enjoy it. (I only finished to justify my complaints and hopes that it would indeed pick up)

My biggest complaint? The combat was stupid. Just plain stupid. Switch to appropriate paradigm and spam attacks. No strategy (outside of setting up the correct paradigm) and no real rewards for your efforts. There was a fine line between using brute force and taking advantage of an enemy's weakness. Most didn't need to be attacked at their weak point as it was just as fast or easier to spam generic attacks. And yes, I did take out most of the marks in the game. Not all but I think there's only like 5 left or so.

That was my biggest problem with the game and there were no diversions to take you away from the terrible system. So, it just amplified the frustration. Then you have the cliched story that was told in the grand scheme of things terribly. They focused on character stories, which is great! Except you're saving someone you have no attachment to and only have two whiney bitches to tell you about her. They also hate each other for typical reasons. Then you have sheman Hope. If you played all the other Final Fantasies and other RPGs from the mid to late 90s, these characters really make you want to scream.

So, if you enjoyed the combat, you most likely enjoyed the game. It seems.

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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:40PM TheShaper said

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@Faceless Troll
Crisis Core battle system was cool, but the random factor screwed things up a bit. Final Fantasy XIII system on the other hand was hectic and highly strategic (at least in the optional battles) and I love every single aspect of it. FFXIII sure takes it's time to show its strength, but when it does, it erases the boredom you went trought to get there.

So, that's it. I admit it's flaws and regardless of those I really like FFXIII.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:46PM WearyExile said

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@Faceless Troll

Crisis Core? Really? The game that introduced the stellar battle mechanic of leaving things like summoned monsters up to random chance on a literal slot machine? And by "random" I mean it would summon Ifrit or something when you had the last enemy down to 10hp.
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 12:45AM Courtney said

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@MystileArmor

Here's a conundrum: I played it for more than 80 hours, but I'm pretty sure I didn't like it. But I can't explain why it was compelling enough to keep playing that long. And it was compelling enough to keep me playing. Almost like it got MMO style hooks into me more than anything.
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 2:01PM 343 Guilty Fart said

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@MystileArmor

Thank you for saying this. I enjoyed it too.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:55PM Jennacide said

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The amount of raw sarcastic irony in that last sentence was genius.

Posted: Sep 12th 2011 10:21AM Kabapu said

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I was wondering if anyone else had noticed it.
Nice.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:02PM liquidsoap89 said

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Alternate reality world 1014. The one where Friends is still on the air.

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