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Posted: Sep 17th 2011 1:33AM birdizzle87 said

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I still haven't found a reason to bother applying the last update they came out with, so I won't be seeing this anytime soon.

Posted: Sep 17th 2011 1:48AM Greyfoxtypezero said

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there are parts in "Section 15" that says if parts are deemed illegal or unenforceable they would be removed.

What really caught my eye if after Section 15 that said Sony has the right to change service policies at will including charging for service

Posted: Sep 17th 2011 2:32AM TheRealLawrence said

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can you imagine if nintendo did this? the language on this article would certainly not be

"Naturally, this change isn't going to sit well with consumers but it is in Sony's best interest to try any and everything it can to protect itself from retaliation if and when this happens again. "

Posted: Sep 17th 2011 5:46AM Slomoshun said

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This was on AOTS's "The Feed" 2 days ago...Joystiq you be a slackin'.

Posted: Sep 17th 2011 9:18AM BrianZeluz said

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When did/does this come into being? I turned my ps3 on today and didnt have to sign anything, is it automatic?

Posted: Sep 17th 2011 11:11AM pluupy said

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@BrianZeluz
You have to go into psn.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2011 12:28PM BrianZeluz said

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@pluupy no way!
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Posted: Sep 17th 2011 10:13AM lazerbyte said

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Sony did a really good job in addressing the problem as it wasn't their fault that they got hacked and many companies besides Sony also got hacked which was out of their control! It's not like Sony said one day "Oh gee let's take the network down for a month!"

If you have a CC you can get hacked on a daily basis as my parent's are having to replace their CC all the time as the information gets stolen as it is the world we live in! People like to steal information as it happens all the time!

I know that when the Live went town back in 2008 MS did NOTHING to it's customers and it is a paid service.

I am very happy with what Sony did and they addressed it on numerous occasions and even mentioned it at E3 and then moved on!

Too many people hate on Sony and they don't look at MS and how they own you!

Try canceling your Live account on your 360 as you CANNOT do it you have to go to their website to do it and then it's not guaranteed that it is canceled. I did it on the website and called and the still charged my card and I had to get my bank involved and I will NEVER give MS my credit card info again!

Sony admitted they had a problem and yes they were a little slow in dealing with it but for a free service they sure gave you a lot as you got 2 free games and a year of ID protection!

Remember this is a business and Sony has to protect it's interests and people in this age are very sue happy and you have to make sure you are protected from that!

I will continue to support Sony as they have always treated me right.



Posted: Sep 17th 2011 2:49PM AnimeGirl16 said

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@lazerbyte I agree. Great post.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2011 11:09PM (Unverified) said

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@lazerbyte Microsoft offered customers a free game as an a apology, and instead of retroactively offering a years ID protection they made a greater effort to not lose 77 million user's personal information in the first place.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2011 4:39PM Circe said

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I wonder if Sony just wants to be the target of all of the Anonymous type groups? I suspect that group won't take this very well either. Not saying that is a good thing, I just don't think Sony is going for the "we want to be liked" award.

On the other hand, I think we CAN blame Sony for having crappy security measures, and most important for having some really sensitive data stored with little or no encryption on their system.

While I agree the black hats have no right to hack a corporation, it is in the best interest of the corporations to use best practices to avoid exposing customer data. To do otherwise is a statement about how seriously these companies take our privacy.

Meaning, not at all.

Posted: Sep 17th 2011 5:20PM Tunguska said

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I can understand the reason why companies would want to protect themselves but I've found Sony's regard to it's consumers and customer service to not be so great in the past.

My own experiences.
Receiving Everquest from a friend who didn't like it and problems with install, after a few emails they ended correspondence accusing me of purchasing someone's account; which didn't happen.

Taken my under warranty Sony Vaio back to store I bought it at.
They just gave me a pick of a new computer instead because past dealings with Sony, for them, it was less of a hassle.

Posted: Sep 17th 2011 5:24PM Weiji said

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Stay classy Sony.

At least I know which next gen system I won't be considering.

Posted: Sep 19th 2011 12:10PM Rahabib said

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@Weiji
me too
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Posted: Sep 18th 2011 9:24AM lazerbyte said

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I just find it odd that people bash Sony when they don't even have a PS3 and only KNOW of the service!

Believe you me MS made a LOT of mistakes and then it took a class action lawsuit for them to admit to the public they would take care of it yet people still support them and defend them!

Sony had a problem they addressed it and resolved it and they offered compensation which they didn't have to do.

I do not believe that personal information was taken and to be on the safe side they offered you an ID protection! That's out of Sony's pocket to do that.

I know so many of my friends who have had their information compromised on xbox live and MS doesn't care or seem to care, as they act like it is a privilege for you to be on their service.

If live should get hacked and go down we'll see how slowly MS responds and how they blame everyone else and not themselves and when your information gets stolen they will be like don't look at us it was your fault to give it to us in the first place!!

So buyer beware on Live as MS doesn't give a rats ass about you or your information and if they just don't like you BAN your account is gone!

Posted: Sep 19th 2011 12:09PM Rahabib said

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@lazerbyte

the ID protection only came after they were threatened with the law suit.
Sony has a history of bad customer PR which made things worse.
MS is not immune from the same thing, but they havent had as many debacles as Sony has had recently (knock on wood)
I have a PS3 and will gladly assist in the class action suit against them for taking OtherOS away (yes I used it).
Sony will draw it out for months, even years, but cannot win.
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Posted: Sep 19th 2011 11:16AM TheConstruct said

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These thing reek of lame. You cannot legally sign away your 'right' to sue. If you could there would be no use for malpractice insurance.

Posted: Sep 21st 2011 11:56PM Xplo said

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So, what people are saying, that the ToS isn't legally binding because a judge can nullify part or all of it - that's true.

But what people aren't saying is that they very rarely do this. Even if a ToS is totally one-sided and designed to screw you, you agreed to it - and unless the way the company is trying to screw you is actually illegal, the courts are likely to uphold it. AFAIK, demanding that people agree to binding arbitration is legal. (At least, companies have been doing this for years, and I've never heard of it being struck down.)

The only way to make something like this illegal and protect your right to take these companies to court is to demand that the government pass laws against it. Contact your representatives and ask them to push for better consumer protection.

You probably won't get it, because this country is pretty much owned by the pro-business right wing these days, but you can't complain if you don't try.

To the guy who joked about making the businesses he deals with agree to his own ToS: yes, you're well within your rights to do that. And they're well within their rights to refuse to do business with you on those terms, which is what they'll do. I think that when you discover that you're not even able to buy food because no one needs your business enough to agree to your terms, you may understand that only collective action is capable of forcing corporations to deal with you as an equal instead of as their helpless little bitch.

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