Deus Ex DLC fixes boss fights (well, at least this one)

@slickie

Give us killcodes! I want to walk up to a boss, say a keyword in some slightly odd, but still kind of relevant sentence, and then see the dude/dudette blow up!

@liquidsoap89
FOXDIE

@slickie I never asked for people to constantly misquote "I never asked for this".

@liquidsoap89

Actually, maybe the events of this game are the reason the kill codes are put in. Eh, I liked using the killcodes myself too.

Laputan machine!
Flatlander woman!

@louiedog

Went all stealthy and hacking as well, with nothing but a tranq rifle.
Then I raped him by spamming all the grenades and mines I picked up during that first level. Took like 15 seconds. First try! haha.

@louiedog

Also, the stun gun can temporarily stun the first boss, giving you some options on how to fight him. Stun gun + grenades annihilates him without virtually no risk to the player. You can use various stealth options to get him to lose track of you, then put some shots into his back. There are mine templates available in the room. You can landmine the center area using stealth, then lure him into mines. You really don't have to get into a firefight with him.

I spent awhile messing around with the first boss after hearing so many people complain about the bosses.

While not as well thought out as most of the levels, I do think the there were plenty of options available for bosses if you thought outside of the box.

I should say that I've only fought the first boss at this point, so my opinion could change once I've made it further into the game.

@yinzjagz He's saying you have more options besides a mano a mano fight.

@yinzjagz You can either kill him or NOT kill him.

@yinzjagz No, read again:

"You can actually not kill the boss"

You don't need to kill it, just do a non-lethal takedown and you win. You can kill it if you want, but it's not the only way to beat it.

@yinzjagz You haven't played Deus Ex, have you? :)

A key feature of the game is that you don't have to kill the bosses. There is often a non-lethal approach that will get you past the encounter without killing anyone. The disappointment over Human Revolution is that there are a handful of bosses that you must kill and are frustrating guns vs. guns battles that you can't avoid.

@Bridget There were only three real "bosses". The ones you could talk your way out of were more like mini-bosses.

@yinzjagz

You can kill if you want to!
You can leave your friends behind.
'Cause your friends don't kill
And if they don't kill
Well they're no friends of mine.

@GuitarHero666

Wow, there are so many better ways he could word that. Like "You don't have to kill the boss" or "bosses can be circumvented" or any other combination of words other than "You can actually NOT kill the boss". That makes me think, you cannot kill him.

Meanwhile, this doesn't sound like a challenge. It sounds very Deus Ex, but doesn't sound challenging. Why even include bosses at all at that point. It needed to take a cue from Metal Gear Solid 3 which had some of the best boss battles that made you think. I personally love bosses in video games, but these were bad. The firefight with the first boss was extremely annoying, the boss in the electric room is cheap as hell and you NEED certain augs to take her down on higher difficulties, the 3rd boss was easy as hell because you can take a turret into the room with you and you can have that do pretty much all the work.

Deus Ex was already a little too open for my tastes. I like exploration to be rewarded, and it was to a degree with xp boosts for finding hidden areas. However I must've hacked hundreds of doors and computers that lead to no goodies. it was disappointing to hack through a bunch of doors to get to an area you thought was secret only to find nothing. So many locked doors in the apartments, and how many of them have sweet shit inside? Like 5?!?! I seriously spent HOURS hacking in this game and it felt like it was for nothing.

@yinzjagz I just used the hacking to xp farm. Wound up getting almost all of the useful augs before the end of the game that way.

@yinzjagz

I'll admit, I hacked like a fiend and all I got were Nuke viruses. But b/c only 1 can be used per node, I started hoarding them like no tomorrow and by the end of the game I think I had 37 of them left...

@Faceless Troll - Yeah, I had a ton too by the end which was good cuz those final terminals were a bitch. I hadn't lowered any of the security through augs cuz all the hacking was really easy. The last few terminals were not though. That pissed me off too. I literally just has to keep retrying it until I got lucky and didn't set the alarm off for a the first three nodes or so. Had to retry hacking that final terminal a billion times, which kinda ruined the end of the game for me. Also, if anyone bitches at me about spoilers they can GTFO I'm being very vague.

Yeah, I mostly used it to grind for xp too. I as well got most of the useful augs. I always would leave one augment in my inventory in case I ran up against something I needed it for. Thank god I did or I would've never gotten past the second boss.

@Pure Black World Tendency There wasn't a whole lot of stealth in Bioshock.

the BioShock boss battle was fantastic, far beyond anything in Deus Ex.

@Pure Black World Tendency

I just think maybe you don't like a challenge. These boss battles were unsound in their design and deserve to be criticized. The second boss was almost impossible without the aug that makes you immune to electric damage on hard difficulty. They made you resort to cheap tactics because they were entirely overpowered and had bad mechanics. Bioshock's final battle was not that hard.

@jsx92 Woah now. I loved Bioshock all the same but the Atlas fight was pretty lame. It was easy and the different phases reminded me of a bad episode of Dragonball Z.

Stranger's Wrath is the only first person game to get boss fights right, IMO. And even excluding the many 'bosses' you fight throughout the game, the tiered Sekto final boss fight was just pure fun!

@yinzjagz

"I just think maybe you don't like a challenge."

And I just think you might be a little dimwitted. Where in my comment did I state anything resembling what you accuse me of?

FYI: I defeated Atlas without problems on my first try. But that's irrelevant. The issue is that Fontaine, which until that point of the game had acted as a brilliant nemesis, was suddenly reduces to a dumb and generic boss fight.

@Pure Black World Tendency
I've never had a boss fight ruined for me by narrative, that's how I arrived at that conclusion. Boss fights are about gameplay only. There is little to NO NARRATIVE during boss fights usually, it is usually before and after. So how does the narrative have ANYTHING to do with the actual fight? It doesn't that's how. What were you expecting fontaine to do smarty pants? Please, you are just another gamer full of complaints with no answers.

Well dummy, considering most people think that the boss fights are bad because they don't fit with the game. You MUST rely on your gunpower for bosses and that just isn't how the game is made. How am I supposed to know you are pissed off at the narrative? You are completely missing why people don't like the boss fights. They are unbalanced, and make you try to play the game differently than you do the rest of the game.

Learn how to write and maybe one person in your comments would have had a retort that made sense, or for that matter learn to stay on topic. How am I the dimwitted one when you go off on some ridiculous tangent, and don't even bother to explain it. DUH!

@yinzjagz

You're back to pulling facts out of your fat ass, I see.

I never said that the Bioshock boss battle was ruined by the narrative. The fight simply felt out of place with the rest of the game by being a boring shoot-fest with a super mutant running at the player. No need for tactics or skillful use of the abilities learned up to that point of the game. It's a missed opportunity in an otherwise brilliant game.