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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:01PM KGameLover1 said

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"Indie developers not named Notch are usually broke"

Joystiq, I love you.

Great article!

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:04PM Don Cheeto said

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" Whether it's because they're too antiquated or just too niche, he believes JRPGs don't get enough attention in the gaming industry today"

No, it's because they are objectively bad games.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:15PM ItsameMatt03 said

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@Don Cheeto

Great assessment doctor!
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:20PM Faceless Troll said

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@Don Cheeto I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you haven't actually played more than a handful of JRPGs here.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 6:09PM Turbo Biscuit said

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@Don Cheeto

I think story driven, 2D sprite based games offer different pro's than games of today. The graphical limitations from the old days meant story telling had to take precedence. Games today are more like interactive movies. Games back then were more like interactive books, where each player takes a different emotional experience away from the whole thing.

So I guess 2D games of yester-year rely on the imagination of the user, while 3D games of today rely on the imagination of the creator.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 9:01PM bm111 said

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@Don Cheeto

"objectively bad games" hahahahahaha
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 11:45PM baddates77 said

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@Don Cheeto Your opinion is objectively wrong.
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 1:51PM Twyst3d said

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@Faceless Troll
And Im going to go out on a limb and guess that you have poor taste if you've played tons of jrpgs and still like them compared to whats available in the market. If you grew up playing them and you aren't sick of them yet. There's a problem with you.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:09PM Frostblade10 said

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That Final Fantasy screen is beautiful...

On another note, if anyone is looking for a good dungeon crawler for Android, check out Deadly Dungeons.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:14PM TraceurRyuk Part III said

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@Frostblade10

That's because it's the iOS remake.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:41PM Frostblade10 said

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@TraceurRyuk Part III

To clarify, you're referring to the Final Fantasy comment, not the Deadly Dungeons part.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:10PM koehler83 said

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An old classic RPG is still comfort food for me. I still play Final Fantasy 1 and 6 at least once each per year. In fact, until I finally put it to rest this past spring, my annual Final Fantasy pilgrimage included pulling out my NES. It just got to a point where it took as long to get the damn thing to work as it did to play through the game.

Whenever someone says there's no room in games today for a turn-based, grind-tastic RPG, I feel the urge to kill rise.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:11PM IronClawt said

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Dang, that was a good read. Looking forward to more.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:12PM TheShaper said

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I swear to God I read THC.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 5:31PM Riley said

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@TheShaper "read"
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:13PM TraceurRyuk Part III said

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Playing Final Fantasy and playing God of War is not the same type of experience. But it's an experience nonetheless. I don't think it makes sense to even compare them; to say modern games are "leaps and bounds better". Would you compare Zork to Mass Effect? It's kind of like watching Nosferatu, or Avatar in 3D. I don't think anyone would put comparisons on the two, seeing as they are so different.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:20PM TheShaper said

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@TraceurRyuk Part III
I couldn't agree more. Everytime that I, for some childish reason, decide to compile a "Top X Games" list, I have to categorize the games into generations first. I mean, I really can't tell if I like Super Mario World or... I dunno, Halo better, since it just doesn't make sense to compare these two games.

When I think SMW and Megaman 2, something different triggers in my head. But still a though choice.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:13PM ironneko said

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This seems interesting. JRPGs have always been my favourite genre so I'll keep an eye on this. Good stuff!

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:16PM Dannigan said

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I think its the games themselves, I just played Chrono Trigger for the first time about 2 years ago and I was impressed by the whole experience compared to some of the games that come out today.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:49PM vidjagamer said

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@Dannigan I am in the middle of my first Chrono Trigger play through. It has a constant level of charm in those sprites and backgrounds that I rarely see anymore. And the dialogue is wonderful, even in (maybe because of?) it's limited use. This game is living art and makes many new titles seem like shiny, expensive, soulless exercises.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 6:41PM bunnyraven said

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@vidjagamer

*internet high five* I'm in the middle of my first Chrono Trigger playthrough as well and loving every minute of it. Everything just clicks. My only gripe with it is that using the classic view causes me to not see some enemies sometimes since they get covered by the status bar/party hp bar. But that is the fault of the version I'm playing (DS) as opposed to something being inherently wrong with the game.

OT: That was a really thought-provoking read. Makes me wonder if I'm suffering from nostalgia poisoning since a majority of the games I play are JRPGs...
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:17PM Faceless Troll said

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"he believes JRPGs don't get enough attention in the gaming industry today"

I think he means "JRPGs not designed by an already famous publisher".

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:18PM TheShaper said

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On the top of being a good read, it tells me I'm well-adjusted. Man, I couldn't go home from work happier on a Friday night.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:18PM white fir said

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secret of mana all day

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:49PM vidjagamer said

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@white fir ...every day.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:20PM Omnibushido said

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Prism topic

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:23PM MusiM said

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Yeah I actually enjoy math. That's not sarcasm. I didn't own a Super Nintendo until I was out of high school at the end of the 90's so there's no nostalgia for me really. Actually if anything I was more into shooters as a teen than RPG's as a kid.

Either way good to see Joystiq taking steps to pay attention to the large minority of RPG fans.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:27PM The StainlessSteel Rat said

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23 year old gamer who picked up final fantasy 6 for the GBA a couple of years ago, having played 8,9,10 and sadly 12.

I found it to be a fantastic game, no nostalgia at play at all.
For something on a 16 bit console, even the game felt truly EPIC.

Interesting characters and the opera scene braught a tear to my eye.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:55PM Dante G said

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@The StainlessSteel Rat

FF6 is the best final fantasy IMO.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 5:03PM Electrium said

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@The StainlessSteel Rat

I'm the same way. My first Final Fantasy was 9, when I was 11 or 12 years old. I loved it so much that I played nothing until I had played every other Final Fantasy game I could get my hands on.

JRPGs today head for realism, versus back in the day JRPGs forced you to use your imagination. I think that's a big part of the "charm" retro games had. Sometimes less is more, you know?
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:58PM lsrs said

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Really like this article. I'm 26 and pretty much all I played as a kid was JRPGs. This made me really want to play through the first two Breath of Fire games again.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 4:59PM Oldtaku said

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The nice thing about 16-bit or 8-bit style JRPGs is that you're free to take the good bits and leave out the bad bits. There's no longer the need to inflate play to 40 hours (minimum!) because the game cost the equivalent of $100 today.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 5:01PM Electrium said

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Jason Schreier, on Jostiq, writes a column about JRPGs and includes an Arrested Development reference.

Day made.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 5:03PM martinthew said

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I only got into JRPGs two years ago. The old ones are excellent, while the new ones just feel stupid.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 5:17PM Mujokan said

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I don't think I am too clouded by nostalgia looking back at favorite old games. If I could play A Link To The Past or Baldur's Gate for several hours a day for two weeks, I think I must have been having a good time. I replayed BG2 a while ago and it was more enjoyable than trying to replay say Deus Ex. The graphics didn't age as badly.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 5:17PM Bighouse said

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The psychological effect of nostalgia is pretty well-known - but I could not disagree more that these games are thought of as classics because of nostalgia, and not because they are actually classics.

"Old games can take us to states of euphoria by triggering our memories of the past, Madigan said, which can convince us that they're superior experiences, even when today's games are leaps and bounds better."

This is nonsense. If nostalgia is what triggers it, how come these games were so well received at the time? If nostalgia is what triggers it, how come a gamer like myself who has never played Chrono Trigger or Super Metroid before this year (I know, I'm so ashamed) now places those two games in my top 10? If nostalgia is what triggers it, how is it possible that young gamers who weren't even alive for Final Fantasy 6 and Super Mario RPG may find them better than modern RPGs?

Apologies to the good doctor, but this whole essay is bogus.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 5:51PM Faceless Troll said

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@Bighouse I think some people just aren't capable of thinking about their favorite games objectively. If you can't explain what makes an old game good beyond "HURF HURF IT WAS AWESOME." then it's probably nostalgia speaking.

If an old game was genuinely good then you should be able to explain the pros and cons.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 6:16PM PN04 said

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@Faceless Troll
There's no nostalgia involved in the first time you play a game. If you enjoyed it the first time why should that love of the game need to be invalidated later on?
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 7:04PM Faceless Troll said

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@PN04 Maybe not, but there is hype. Hype will color your experiences.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 11:33PM Vidikron said

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@PN04

Surely you've played a game and .oved it, but then years later tried it again and found it to be no where near as good as you remember? If not, then I'd guess you're either still a child or haven't gone back to play many old games. Not saying that "invalidates" how you felt at the time, but as time goes by standards change and, lets be honest, kids have lower standards... or are at least more easily amused.

Myself, I love emulators and play many old games, but as a result there are many games that simply don't entertain me now like they did back then. But before I go back to play them I had these memories of how spectacular they are... that's the rose colored glasses of nostalgia.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2011 5:28PM spekkio said

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I love the idea of this weekly article! :D

hail hail JRPGs

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 6:00PM Turbo Biscuit said

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"...endless remakes of games like Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger."

For the love of all that is good, please show me the endless Chrono Trigger remakes!

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 6:12PM PN04 said

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A good story is a good story. FF6 had one of them most mature and interesting stories of any game in it's generation. As long as a JRPG can tell me an entertaining story I'll be happy to play it. There's not need for trickery or whatever pseudo Psycho babble someone wants to use to explain people desire for them.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 6:26PM Yuglyoshi said

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Agreeing with the Chrono Trigger newcomers - My first time playing it was via the DS remake two years ago, and it's one of my favourite games despite the age.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 6:40PM jrobington said

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Good article. I put this to the test with a not-so-old-but-nonetheless-nostalgic game recently in fallout 3. I played the hell out it for months and then 2 yrs floated by. I wondered if I just exaggerated how good that game was but upon playing it it still excited me and sucked me in.
In other words I do believe we feel nostalgia towards some old, crappy (by todays standards) games but there are many games out there that are good enough to span the test of time.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 6:41PM SteveoftheGods said

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Tales of Symphonia, while certainly not that old, is my favorite.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 7:12PM Barry Burton said

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I think the fact that battles in the 16-bit era took close to 30sec instead of today that can take 2 minutes each is a great advantage. Also the cutscenes were faster and far less melodramatic, and the plot used to be better and focused. Generally, the gameplay were far more varied too, with lot of tihngs to do besides leveling up/customizing your character, as it seems to be the standard today.

I truly believe that Ni No Kuni will bring back these great things from the 16-bit era.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 7:35PM sogarth said

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If you want good, modern JRPGs, you should really check out the recent Legend of Heroes games by Falcom (Trail of the Sky and its sequels, whenever they come out). I've been playing them in Japanese, but in my experience, they show how they should be done nowadays.

Posted: Oct 21st 2011 7:46PM (Unverified) said

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Cthulhu Saves the World is one of my favorite RPGs in recent memory. And it's $3 on XBL, or $1 on Steam. I would have paid much more for it.

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