Nightwing DLC footage is electric, sticks Nov. 1 landing

@Baagawk

This is awesome but I can't help but ask why was DLC released only two weeks after the game is released...I don't know how I feel about that.....I don't like when developers talk about DLC before a game is even released....Not cool in my opinion.

@Streeks1984 Better than Day 1 DLC...oh wait.. Catwoman is technically that.

@ZexionArmando

Catwoman was also free, which makes yours a bizarre complaint.

@Fullmetal Salchemist

but the catwoman DLC was botched for some.

@ZexionArmando Not really Catwoman was included content unless you bought it used (and even then at some outlets you'd get it free as they are covering the "project 10 dollar" cost.) If people weren't buying so many used games it'd not be as much of an issue.

@commonperson

gaming is expensive man....in this gen developers are sooo lazy with making these games that most are worth paying 65 bucks for....Their are really no excuses why i can 65 bucks for batman which looks amazing and have to pay 65 bucks for a game like Rise of Nightmares....so yes I will rent and buy used because they haven't done the work to entice to pay that much for it....I do not mean to sound to passionate about this but it is something that urks me about this gen of game development.

@Streeks1984

If you rent or buy used, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain about not getting the exact same experience.

If I buy a car used, I can't complain that the odometer has more than a thousand miles; if I buy a used graphics card, I can't complain that it didn't contain the same free game that people who are buying it new are getting.

Missing content is the compromise you have to make for being cheap.

@Fullmetal Salchemist
Hello mangled, non-sensical analogy, how are you today?

What you are comparing with the odometer would be like if someone bought a used SNES game and whined that someone used the save data. The more apt comparison would be if you bought a used car compared to a new version /OF THAT SAME YEAR CAR/ and it underperformed for no particular reason. You'd have all right to complain.

Excluding Catwoman DLC is a lame practice, but whatever. But there are tons of uses of Online Passes that are borderline criminal, like Battlefield 3, which locks out all online play. I love how people such as yourself are willingly throwing away consumer rights and believing everything a publisher claims.

@commonperson

"If people weren't buying so many used games it'd not be as much of an issue."

Really? That's your defense for Project 10 Dollar? Catwoman was always signaled as a part of the core game itself, but just before AC's release, Rocksteady comes out and says "Oh, sorry, Catwoman = DLC code. Sorry pre-owned buyers!" Catwoman's story intertwines with Batman's, and changes how the core game is perceived. Think of it as Separate Ways from RE4, but rather than played separately (like it is in the game), her missions are interlinked with Batman's.

Buying pre-owned is perfect for those who can't afford the $60 price tag for the games coming out. I dropped down to GameFly to feed my habit, because 80% of my paycheck was going towards them, not other things like food, car payments and cell phone bills. You know, things you /need/. Sure, I still buy some games new (I bought Batman new and I plan on buying Uncharted 3, Assassin's Creed, Zelda and Halo Remake new, because (A) I want them stat and (B) I want to support the developers). A lot of people will put off buying new to save some cash to put towards more pertinent stuff.

Making Catwoman's missions DLC was - and still is - absurd. Hell, allowing GameStop to generate codes for it is completely backwards. They just fixed the loophole that is buying pre-owned; the incentive to buy new was lost simply by allowing GameStop to do exactly that.

I think your argument needs to be reworded. Let's try...this:

"If developers/publishers didn't overcharge for their games, knowing damn well that Duke Nukem Forever isn't worth $60, then consumers wouldn't hesitate on plopping down cash for the game."

I'm not saying Batman is overpriced ($50-60 is a great price for the game). If you price accordingly, you'll attract new customers, and your sales will skyrocket. Look how quickly games like Duke, Brink and Dragon Age II dropped down to $20-30; those games were definitely not worth the $60 the developers/publishers slapped on it.

Besides, do we really need $60 million budgets to make games? If you can crank out annual sequels, you can cut your development costs drastically, recycle assets, which would mean lower costs for games, meaning the perceived value vastly outweighs the price of the game. If your return investment is over 4000% for Black Ops, I'm sure you can sell the game for $40 right out the game.

/rant

@Jennacide

Except the analogy of the graphics card is more than apt. Both the new and used cards will perform identically, but one comes with a game and the other doesn't.

I love how people are so quick to pull the "consumer rights violation" card whenever something is done they don't agree with. I'd like to know which of your consumer rights was violated.

@Nintendo Tim

No, you're right, publishers and developers should suffer losses on used game sales because your job is too shitty for you to afford video games.

PC gamers don't even have the option of buying pre-owned. The entire catalog of PC games is Catwoman DLC; we buy games new because we're not entitled little shits complaining we're getting less content despite not giving the developers a dime.

@Nintendo Tim

"Buying pre-owned is perfect for those who can't afford the $60 price tag for the games coming out"

So is waiting for a sale or a price drop on a new version.

@Nintendo Tim

"If your return investment is over 4000% for Black Ops, I'm sure you can sell the game for $40 right out the game".

And in what world should they do that if they know they can sell it at $60 and make more $$ - should they tell their shareholders they just felt like being nice?

For the record, games have been in the $50-$60 price range as far back as the Atari 2600

@Fullmetal Salchemist

Simple example. I bought Batman AC new. It's mine and I own it. 20 years from now I want to play it on a different PS3 then I originally played it on but will my Catwoman code still work?

@Baagawk Predator mode stuff would be difficult too, imaging Bats and Robin grappling for the same vantage point and smashing their heads at velocity.
What would be cool is if there was a Robin story along with the Batman one. Basically showing what Robin is doing in Gotham while Batman is dealing with Arkham City. Having this run simultaneously and have multiple points where Robin swoops into Arkham to assist Bats with a truly diabolical battle. Obviously most of the bad guys are locked in Arkham but there are still more outside he can contend with. Possible future DLC???

Co-op challenge maps would be awesome too.

@(Unverified) I was thinking the same thing. It would be nice if you could play through the campaign with the new characters, but it would mess up the story, I suppose.

@(Unverified) And there's no new voice work for him, he's silent, like all the Robins.

Have some self respect and don't buy this incredibly poor value DLC.

They are, as we say in the UK (where the game is made) 'Taking the piss.' They probably used that exact term when deciding how much to charge.

@(Unverified) I agree, these challenge pack DLCs add almost nothing to the game, and they're grossly overpriced. I might bite at $1.99, but I didn't play the challenge maps on AA, not likely I'll play them on AC.

@(Unverified) Doesn't he also have the generic challenge maps that Batman and Catwoman can do?

@Dick Socrates
I wouldn't mind NPH doing the voice for Nightwing again.

@(Unverified) a bit steep is an understatement. grossly overpriced is more like it.

@(Unverified) According to Gamesradar, it costs $5.99 on PSN, I'm not sure if they are correct though.

"You won’t be taking Nightwing through Arkham City proper, as he’s confined to the challenge maps in the game, but he comes with two original challenge maps, Wayne Manor and Main Hall, which sound like a nice change from the snowy streets of Arkham City. Nightwing also comes with his own Animated Series skin, so you can make him look like like he did during the later run of episodes in the Bruce Timm/Paul Dini series.

The DLC goes on sale November 1 for 560 MS points or $5.99 on PSN."

http://www.gamesradar.com/batman-arkham-citys-newest-resident-nightwing-dlc-trailer/

@(Unverified) Completely agree with you. I'd pay $7 for some extra side missions (which are rumoured to be coming out for Catwoman) but for two challenges maps and a skin it's too steep. I'd probably bite if it were $4 or less.

@Dick Socrates
Robin isn't actually silent, he just doesn't have any challenge map dialogue himself (though enemies do acknowledge him and he does make vocal noises when he attacks or is attacked.)

I just can't wait for the Penguin Pack =)

@whylekat
Why can't you? After you beat the game there are several points on the map where you can change characters from Batman to Catwoman. This will be the same way, you can change to Nightwing. It would be pointless to make a character only for the challenge maps.

@theskillfull1

Here's hoping!

@theSkillfull1

Well, my brother already has Robin, because he pre-ordered through Best Buy, and I don't think there's a character switch icon for him.

Just Catwoman.

@whylekat Yes, here's hoping! I'll be disappointed otherwise.

@Dick Socrates

Ricky-Dicky Tavi?

@ObiBen8 I think that was Rikki Tikki Tavi...

@Faceless Troll

No, it shouldn't. Things like different colored Street Fighter costumes or whatever should (or, okay, different Batman costumes.) This is an entirely new character render with animations that had to be made from scratch and is way outside the scope of the project. Granted, I think they're charging about 2 or 3 bucks to much for it, but it also probably shouldn't be free.

I'm thinking if you don't think Arkham City has enough value included on the disc itself (Campaign, Catwoman stuff, Riddler stuff, a dozen or so side-quests, and an assload of challenge maps,) then you either haven't played the game, or just expect too damn much.

@baby sea tuna They already have assets for Robin on the disc. Nightwing is just a Robin skin.

@Faceless Troll
Nightwing is not a Robin costume. Dick Grayson is a different character than Tim Drake, therefore different body/face models. Grayson=Nightwing, Drake=Robin.

@Faceless Troll

Nightwing also has different weapons, gadgets, and animations. So it's not just a robin reskin

@whylekat you guys didnt see he was trolling just from his name? he trolls on all the different stories

@JHA Heaven forbid people complain about practices they don't like.

@JHA Or people can voice their opinion just like you did. Whether they like something or not, no one can tell them they should bend to your opinion.

I like the DLC, but I don't like the price. The quality of the game has nothing to do with my opinion of the price.

@JHA You make a good point about not buying the DLCs. The problem is however that people ARE buying them and companies continue to pump out this crap. I just miss the times this shit was free and normally part of an unlock process within the game. Batman is a great game but I do not support DLCs and will continue to protest!

@JHA (AKA Fart)

I like the DLC. I don't like the price. I will wait until it inevitably goes on sale at a price I am willing to pay, with the extra hope that maybe a lot of others will do the same, possibly leading to a lower price of future similar DLC.

You used your first post here to be a jerk. It's like you walked into a tight, crowded room and farted. Your new name if Fart. Welcome, Fart.