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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:19PM Knoxrun said

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With all this talk of new consoles being announced (or even released) in 2012, I find it hard to believe they're planning on a 2013 release.

That being said, I remember the good old days of Rogue Spear - that's enough to make me consider buying any R6 game.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:30PM TROOF Serum said

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@Knoxrun this generation of games will continue to be produced far into the next generation. even more so than this last one since the tech will not be as much of an improvement like last gen to this one (HD).

The chose to start development on this game long ago. To wait on new hardware to produce a game on spec they have not learned as well as the 360 at this point would be silly.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 6:33AM noodless said

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@Knoxrun Rogue Spear. My first R6 game. Good times. I remembered spending more times on planning than playing lol
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2011 11:12PM SecondTomorrow said

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@Knoxrun
I'd honestly love a return to form in the style of Rogue Spear. Pre-mission planning and tactical decisions, using and possibly losing certain team members and a core idea that you need to get in and out with as little damage to anything as possible.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:20PM Shadowbender said

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That gameplay video was smokin', though.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 6:53PM ComedyInK said

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@Shadowbender

It wasn't gameplay though :\
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 6:55PM Shadowbender said

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Correct.

Concept of gameplay video. My mistake.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:21PM andrewpoe said

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So if there is a similar movement in America where a group attempts something similar as the game premise, would the idiots in the media be the first to lay blame at a video game for this? (I shouldn't ask because I know what the answer will be).

I'm not exactly sure that sort of 'encouragement' is needed nowadays....we haven't gotten taken over by North Korea yet, so I would say we're safe.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:29PM sydweis said

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@andrewpoe
i think your right, the media would publicly bash videos games if that ever happened. although in the end its all about how you perceive a form of media and whether or not you feel video games are a form of imitation or if they're not so "hypothetical" anymore. honestly i find movies to be a little more controversial at this point when it comes to middle-eastern politics and the threat of a full on invasion on american soil.
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Posted: Dec 9th 2011 4:00PM CamelCamelCamel said

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@andrewpoe The plot synopsis alone will be enough for Fox News to use this as further "evidence" of the right-wing's persecution. If they thought Sesame Street was brainwashing our kids, just wait until they see the game that has you fighting anti-government militants as if they're the *bad* guy!
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:24PM Negatron said

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Rainbow 6, the only shooter by default online , that if you got shot, YOU GOT SHOT, without having to play "hardcore."

Damn games of today with their everyone can play physics.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:26PM TROOF Serum said

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""with Occupy Wall Street and its regional offshoots on one side protesting corporate greed and unchecked influence, and the Tea Party on the other, bristling at government power, often with gun in hand and the rhetoric of violent upheaval.""

Give me a break. Do a search for Tea Party Violence and Occupy Violence and you tell me which group espouses violence in their message.

How Occupy plays into this game for how events *could* unfold in the game is the notion that they are arguing against the corporations for using the influence the government allows them to have, (ex. show me a poor person that would turn down a winning lottery ticket). The fact that Occupy is protesting on Wall Street instead of protesting on Capitol Hill is proof in itself that the movement will have no legs to solve the problem as politicians are laughing to the bank (with policy they wrote) and will create the environment the game is aiming to achieve.

I look forward to seeing how this game plays out, I just hope it's not as muttled with the leftist, mainstream rhetoric this blog post spewed.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:35PM Mr Hett said

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@TROOF Serum

Thanks for turning this into another political argument. Nobody cares about your opinion of OWS or the Tea Party. We're here for the games.

Rainbow Six: Patriots --- GOTY 2013?
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:44PM (Unverified) said

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@TROOF Serum

I was thinking the same thing when I read that, thanks for saying something. It's amazing how delusional people choose to be sometimes.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:49PM Knight Marquise said

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@TROOF Serum

Thank you for saying what I was going to say. " Tea Party with gun in hard". I can only surmise the author of this blog post is woefully ignorant, or simply letting his politcal bias show.

Please. Show me the Tea Party rallies that were violent and/or threatened violence. "Occupy Wallstreet" on the other hand; we have all that plus .rape, murder, etc.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:22PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@KnightMarquise

The problem I have with the Tea Party at this point is that it's been co-opted by mainstream Republicans. What started as a true grassroots movement for meaningful change turned into a soap box for the likes of Rick Perry & Sarah Palin. Similarly, a lot of the occupy wall street demonstrators were well meaning young people who were fed up with the status quo ... that didn't realize the entire movement was actually engineered by giant multinational media conglomerates.

The sooner we can move beyond the phony right vs left paradigm (99% of which is a charade for keeping the status quo) is the sooner legitimate change can occur. As it stands we have neither a true capitalist or socialist structure but a bastardization of both packaged and sold as something different to two different groups on both sides of the aisle.

The type of person it would take to make meaningful change is unelectable in the current climate we live in.

I'm kind of afraid the only way real change is ever going to happen in this country is at the hand of a gun. That's a scary thought for us nevermind what it means for our childrens children.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:23PM psnkillstrike said

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@TROOF Serum
he never said anything about actual violence, he said the tea party employed violent rhetoric. Which is true.
No need to turn this into a OWS and Tea party thing though.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:32PM PedoJokerBear said

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please stop generalizing either side, thanks.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:39PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@psnkillstrike

Every politically motivated group uses violent rhetoric.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 5:17PM Kentuckian said

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@TROOF Serum

Thank you for your comment. While I appreciated this article, the characterization of the tea party in relation to OWS was either ignorant or a reflection of the author's political views. It was certainly misleading with the flowery description of OWS and the emphasis on the tiny minority of tea party activists.

I am thankful there are others out there with the ability to read between the lines and filter out the BS. I get enough heartburn following some of these game writers on twitter when they get political. This comment will probably get deleted by joystiq and my account banned but until then I wanted to thank you and the other commenters who noticed your post as well.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 5:29PM mrantimatter said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell
I don't recall OWS folks talking about 'watering the tree of liberty' or holding signs that say 'we cam unarmed this time'.

Nor Do I see pro-OWS folks going on TV saying that Tea party protests should be broken up via the use of flamethrowers or Kent State style shootings.

You'd have to be blind not to see the extremely pro-violence message the Tea party and it's supporters extort.

Most of the violence I see in the OWS side is being done against them by the state.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 5:53PM themiracle said

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@Knight Marquise

right-o captain
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 5:59PM Knight Marquise said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell

Johnny..

Thank you for a well thought out reply. I actually agree with you, and don't see any real change coming from Republicans or Democrats, which scares me to death, this Country has to change, the status quo is going to sink us, if we aren't already past the point of no return.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 6:46PM Fawst said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell OMG a thousand times, THIS!!! The beginnings of the recent Tea Party movement were wonderful... and then a fringe group of radical neo-Republicans scooped it up and destroyed it.

Oh, and to anyone who truly thinks that OWS movement is a violent organization, wake up. For the most part, the people who are giving it a bad name are only there to cause trouble in the first place and give the rest of the peaceful protestors a bad name. Meanwhile, as you rant and rave about these "bums" and "hippies," you are siding with big business and the broken government that is screwing you, every day, every year, for your entire life. Yeah, f*** the working man! Right?! Right...? :P

As for this game, to actually stay topical... I am astounded that they have the stones to try something like this. This could very well be one of the first truly "mature" titles ever. That is a dark premise, which is frightening due to the fact that it's not that far removed from a possible reality. And aside from the moustache-twirling villainy of unwilling participants as suicide bombers, it's wholely plausible. Hell, even WITH that aspect, it's plausible!
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 8:01PM JonahStein said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell

Hm, I can see the truth of that...
Thoughtful, non-partisan, and without hyperbole...
No less than what I would expect from an 80's robot learning human culture from Ally Sheedy and Steve Guttenberg. ;)
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 8:12PM End User said

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@Knight Marquise

Ron Paul 2012, bitches! :-D
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:03AM maxwell97 said

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@Fawst Unfortunately, OWS is violent in the way that even the most benign left-wing group is violent - they want to take other people's money and spend it how they see fit, and have the cops throw them in prison if they resist. This is what higher taxes, public works projects, student debt forgiveness, and most of their other causes boil down to. While I can certainly agree that there are some very bad actors on Wall Street, that's not what this "organic" movement is really about, it's just a popular issue to focus on in front of the cameras. They want class warfare.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:50AM manofarms89 said

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@(Unverified) I think his comment was aimed at TROOF Serum
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Posted: Dec 1st 2011 7:37AM eat it said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell

You're absolutely right. Peaceful protesting is going nowhere and people are starting to realize it. I honestly think the only way things are going to change is when people get so fed up they form small groups and start hitting congress and executives where it hurts...

...their families.

Society certainly can't take on the american military or police force directly, and it's not the smart thing to do, because quite honestly they are "the people" as well.

The president and his people have the secret service to protect them, but can every congressman say for sure that their family members are protected at all times. how safe are their children when they are at school? Politicians change laws all the time because lobbyists pay them off. Would they do the same to get their child or wife back? Would they change the way they do their job if people were violently targeting corrupt politicians and their families

I'd hate to sound like a monster, but they are pushing some people to the point of survival. and a man that has nothing to lose is capable anything

I still think this is a long ways off but we're heading in that direction.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:27PM SkizzNutt509 said

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It says at the bottom of the article for undisclosed platforms, now would that be them not knowing cause it's so far out? or them not being able to say the names cause they're the successors to the current consoles?

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:29PM phillibuster said

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@SkizzNutt509

That, or possibly licensing agreements haven't been hashed out yet.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:52PM (Unverified) said

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@SkizzNutt509

You can be sure it won't be on PC, or if it will it will be a half-assed version of it. Just see Ubisoft's recent comments about Ghost Recon.

It's sad that there's games I was looking forward too but because the developer has developed a shitty attitude towards a segment of gamers, I'm not going to be buying their games.
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:27PM Cal said

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I liked the gameplay trailer, and the story sounds like a nice change from "kill brown guy" or "kill guy with different accent".

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:51PM Negatron said

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@Cal

Kill New Jersey!
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Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:32PM vidguy said

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This writeup is the first thing to get me interested in a Rainbow Six game. Moral ambiguity is an excellent narrative tool - check out Fallout Out: New Vegas for a great execution.

I think this kind of approach helps legitimize video games as an art. No longer are you playing the "good guy" blasting away "bad guys."

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:34PM Axe99 said

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"Perhaps that's hypocritical, given how often shooters traipse through the gardens of other cultures' political unrest and how little it's ever discussed. But here, it's impossible for me to ignore."

This says it best - I think it's great that Ubisoft are tackling such a current and potentially divisive issue. Just another sign of gaming as a medium growing up. Vegas was fun and all, but it was clearly make-believe. This sounds like a much grittier, harrowing affair - which, lets face it, any game wanting to tackle the issue of terrorism (and Rainbow is an elite anti-terror organisation) should be if it wants to be credible. Of course, I hope they're not exploitative, but the Rainbow games have generally been pretty solid in that regard.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:36PM Assmar said

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"Perhaps that's hypocritical, given how often shooters traipse through the gardens of other cultures' political unrest and how little it's ever discussed." Right on the nose, Gies.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:44PM MLC said

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"undisclosed platforms"

I thought it was already confirmed for PS3, 360, and PC.

W/ seeing that concept video of this game, this game is on my radar. Knowing Ubi, the game wont be out til late 2013 or early 2014.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:44PM Eiskis said

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The game is invoking an emotional response, 1-2 years from release, and you make it sound like a bad thing.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:55PM jatan said

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Man, this reviewer must have HATED half of the action movies that have come out over the last 10 years... This is some heavy stuff...

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 3:59PM iceveiled said

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After reading Game Informer's piece about this in their latest issue I'm pretty excited for this game. They're looking to compete with MW and BF in the multiplayer arena so good luck to them on that, but I'm in it for the single player anyway.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:05PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Sounds awesome to me. I wish the author of this article checked his politics at the door but the tone of the game sounds really interesting. If it's done in a classy way this could be one of the better plots of the shooter genre.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:07PM iceveiled said

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In the target gameplay demo, also scenario heavily detailed in GI's piece, the Patriots kidnapped the man because he was in the home foreclosure business and profited (heavily, by the look of his house) off people losing their homes. After I read it I didn't come away thinking they were just kidnapping random civilians and forcing them to blow themselves up.

I like the dark new tone this game is reaching for. Because let's face it: shit's spiraling out of control here in the good old US of A. And it will only get worse. These pro-people, anti capitalist, anti-government "terrorist" groups are a real thing today.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:09PM Hackettman said

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I want games to be controversial. I want my games to be risky and dangerous. Not because I support one side or another I just want an engaging story and nothing is more engaging than if you can practically feel the whole thing happening, if events turn one way or another. Im sure the people who rate games and the focus groups wont let this be too close to reality and things will be edited out that could make for some awesome story points but I think its sad to say a game could be too inspiring. You have to want to revolt to start a revolution, pulling a button trigger wont make you feel that.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:21PM ReadingRambo said

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I'm sorry. I'm not queasy or squeemish about this stuff. You need to get over it and allow speech and ideas to be free.

You, as a writer, should know that. I'll buy this game just to show you I don't care. Freedom of speech and art, ideas should always be free. Who it offends...not my problem.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:25PM liquidsoap89 said

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As a non-american these types of stories usually lose a lot of their impact on me (that and the fact that I have 0 interest in politics...), here's hoping this doesn't turn in to another cheesy pro military "america's the best" bro story that so many other games/movies have fallen in to.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:29PM Doctalen said

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@BigAndShiny Yeah, I thought it was JUST new york city but it's all over the US and some in europe

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:33PM psnkillstrike said

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This sounds pretty great. I want my games to cause a strong emotional reaction out of me. Im tired of moral choices in games being so black and white. Also i hope the choices mean something. Like if i kill 3 civilians in order to stop a dangerous terrorist make me feel the weight of killing three innocent people.

Its good to see that developers are attempting to make games "grayer" in terms of morality. This and spec ops sound like they can be really great.

Posted: Nov 28th 2011 4:34PM JoRo1986 said

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The idea behind the game is actually neat, but please don't turn the story into a conservative/liberal-bashing playground (more likely to be conservative). Besides, I play games to escape reality, not to turn it into an extension of the headlines.

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