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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 5:09PM Nofriendo said

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Hurry up and go away SOPA, I can only boycott Hollywood for so long.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/thedarkknightrises/

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 5:13PM FreakSheet said

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SOPA
Stop Online Piracy Act
Sons Of the Patriots Act?

Coincidence?

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 7:30PM OGC said

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@FreakSheet

I dont think it is. Many references to the control of information are in pop culture. Most of the time it's people up top who are already part of their secretive associations/ aware of the goals of secretive associations who come up with the ideas for games centered around these types of issues. Not just in gaming, but in all forms of pop entertainment.

Look up Illuminati: Facts and Fiction by Mark Dice. and Proofs of a Conspiracy by John Robison; first revealing of the Illuminati, includes major writings from the founder Adam Weishaupt.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 5:46PM Adhesive said

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president obama signed into law that US citizens can be detained for no reason.
now he'll sign SOPA into law.

sigh....and all of you will vote for him again.

maybe this is poetic justice?

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 6:04PM Tiradyn said

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@Adhesive
You would have rather had Palin in the White House? Seriously?
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 6:08PM commonperson said

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@Adhesive Oh come on, like a Republican stooge will be any better? The problem in the US is the two fold, first the two party system which prevents true vocal discussion and a false dichotomy and it's the corrupt pork barrel lobbiest structure that allows for corporations to essentially use "payolla" to get their agenda pushed through. Can't say Canada where I live is much better but at least we have a multi-party system and national health care. Small blessings but we're circling the same drain as the US so it's just a matter of time for us too. :-(
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 7:44PM OGC said

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@Adhesive

Republican is the right foot, Democrat the left. Both are walking towards the same goal, just under the mask of opposition, to fool the majority of the public.


Bush was a horrible president right? A conservative, yet he spent more money than all previous combined with his bailout right? Obama is a democrat and came in, passed a bailout, more specifically Congress passed it, that wasnt even read by a single Congressman. Seriously, it was passed twelve hours after it was published. Over 1100 pages long.

The result? The government gained control of more banks and financial institutions, along with more control over major corp like some of the auto makers in the US. This gives even more control over the primary medium of exhange: money.

But the majority of the population will continue to think that their view is superior and continue to attack the other view, while being unaware or unconcerned about what is really going on.

in 04, Bush ran against Kerry. Demo vs Republican right? How many people knew that Bush AND Kerry were part of Skull & Bones, a subsidiary org of the Illuminati(the actual historical Illuminati)?

"Nothing is true, everything is permitted" wasn't just a saying made up for Assassin's Creed. It is the basic philosophy of the Illuminati and all its subsidiaries.

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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 6:03PM Tiradyn said

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SOPA will not effect piracy in ANY way. Anyone that thinks it will is either an idiot or illiterate. Or both. What it WILL do is give the government the right to block ANY site they damn well please. If you haven't thought of what this can/will mean, you are not thinking at all.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 6:09PM Fuzunga said

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Good for Activision.

That is just so weird to say.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 6:18PM henbot said

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greed.

hit 'em where it hurts and simply don't buy their products. And especially don't fall for the media hype of "best seller" and "game of the year award" it's all bullsh!t.



Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 7:05PM teppoudo said

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thank you joystiq, I have decided to send a letter to the ESA after reading this post I hope others do the same.

http://commonsensegaming.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/teppoudo-speaks-out-against-esa-support-of-sopa/

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 7:56PM AxelSteelBMX said

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@teppoudo: I applaud you actually trying to make your voice heard, but I'm disappointed your narrative didn't address the main problem with the bill, which is its vagueness. Good job in trying to make the point that the bill won't actually stop piracy, but the most concerning issue with the bill is its potential for power abuse by those in charge.

Under SOPA, as it is worded right now, any site could be blocked or taken down with a vague charge such as "copyright infringement". God only knows whether or not those "copyright infringements" could extend to an honest review warning consumers against a bad product, or a news story that brings an unfavorable side of a company to view in the public eye.

Sure, SOPA may not have been meant to be used in such a manner, but as the bill is presented RIGHT NOW, it potentially COULD. That's the true danger.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 8:02PM OGC said

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@teppoudo

Nice letter. Im going to write one to, but to the individual companies listed as members. Im also going to start a petiton as well and ask the major gaming media sites to support it and let their audience know about it. We'll see where it goes!
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 8:15PM teppoudo said

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@AxelSteelBMX

I did touch a bit on it but I didn't focus on it because I honestly don't think the ESA cares about that. I do agree its a valid concern and considering in the past sites like 1up wee blacklisted by ubisoft it is quite possible this will be abused.

The core of the letter is designed to show that publishers aren't being responsible parties. For all the complaining they do about piracy they offer no solution, instead they just create useless efforts like online pass to try and squeeze more money out of legitimate consumers.

Also I do tell its the death of net neutrality which means censorship across the board. The death of net neutrality means the death of opinions on the internet. If you look at Microsoft forcing NeoGaf to take down the Mass Effect 3 beta information leaked, we already see strong business presence in our internet freedom.

I hope you are going to write your own letter and address the points you out layed in detail. I thank you for your reading and agree with all your points.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 8:16PM teppoudo said

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@OGC

Nice, let me know when your petition is up I'll gladly sign it. I should forward the letter to the individual companies as well, thanks for the idea.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 7:23PM Crzycracka said

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I think joystiq fear anon gonna destroy u that must be why u take every opportunity to stree that u don't support sopa personally I could care less about sopa or Anon all they gonna achieve by attackin Sony is getting us more games for free for suffering down time

Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:38AM s256 said

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@Crzycracka
You don't understand.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 7:25PM OGC said

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This goes hand in hand with the goal of the Illuminati...the actual/historical/ Illuminati; they want to control the flow of information. So for ESA to support that and thus major game companies, makes me want to stop gaming.

For those who think Im crazy cause I mentioned Illuminati, the founder Adam Weishaupt wrote in the late 1700s:

"By establishing reading societies, and subscription libraries, and taking these under our direction, and supplying them through our labours, we may turn the public mind which way we will. In like we must also obtain an influence....in all offices which have any effect, either in forming, or in managing, or even in directing the mind of man."

There are even examples of this in pop entertainment, such as the Metal Gear Solid 2. Metal Gear Solid 4 has something in it to related to Big Brother,something pretty major, but that's an explanation for another day.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 7:52PM OGC said

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*Sigh* nearly all my games are made by people who are part of ESA...AND i have a PS3. Am I really going to have to switch to 360 and stop buying games from these people? I mean we're talking

THQ- Saints Row 3
EA- Mass Effect
Namco Bandai- Naruto Storm 2( i LOVE this game)
38 Studios- Amalur reckoning
WB- Batman
Sega- Sonic Generations
Nintendo
SCEA
Sony Online Ent

Gaming is going to be basically over for me if they dont drop their support by association.

I think Im going to send an email to every company on the list.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 8:13PM abercrombieco2 said

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lets get real , people have been abusing the internet for years , downloading movies , music and games off of pirated sites. lets get it strait if you didn't pay for it , you are stealing , no matter how you want to put it, " well i was never going to buy it in the first place so i'm not stealing it" . they warned people many times about this , and people just laughed at there warnings. i'm not going to lie when i was younger i downloaded countless music and tv shows off of limewire or napster. i'd just pay for music i like now. but people pirating ruins it for every one else and creates stupid laws like this. but you can't walk into a store and steal things and not get in trouble , why shouldn't it be the same for the internet if you steal?

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 8:19PM teppoudo said

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@abercrombieco2

You are a consumer why are you taking the side of business? Are you saying consumers are foulable but business is not? You aren't just talking about piracy with this bill you are talking about censorship which has nothing to do with piracy.

If SOPA was a bill for a task force to be created to specifically track down and arrest pirates I would support that. How does censoring my rights stop piracy, I just don't see the connection.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 8:33PM abercrombieco2 said

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@teppoudo i'm against censorship , which is why i'm saying this bill is geared towards pirating (music , movies , games , sofware, ect) and will end up hurting every one because people abuse the system. but lets be realistic there has to be something for both sides , not just one side , for them or for us. because while if it wasn't for us there would be no business, but with out business's that support people threw jobs and putting product for people to enjoy , it effects more then just the people who make all the money. do you condone stealing? say this , one person downloads hundreds or thousands of movies music and games , they have their house broken into and have everything they ever owned stollen they would want soemthing to be done about it, yet they are crying when something is being done about them stealing music movies games ect. like they say don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 8:24PM Ryuk said

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No matter what there is always going to be the Dark Web, the underground internet that you need the Tor browser to get on, or however it works, you can google it.

That's where the scum of the Earth goes, the most hardcore, criminal pirates lurk in the depths of the dark web, and no SOPA is going to stop them, and no SOPA can bring down any of those sites.

This is a useless, futile bill that goes against EVERYTHING a democracy stands for. It will stop nothing, all it will do is give corporations and the government control over the ONE thing they can't control. This is a pure act of fear, it is utterly disgusting, and as Americans I feel as though it's our right to do whatever it takes to stop this bill from getting passed, which is why I approve of Anon's goals, just not the way they're going about it (it's kind of childish and pointless).

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 8:29PM hapa77 said

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this is funny the other day i read a comment that someone said that the ESA owns the game companies and that anything they say will pretty much mean nothing.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 9:23PM Gooblechev said

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I'm going to be murdered for this, but right now, I don't oppose the bill.

I'm not saying I support it, but the things I've heard seem like a lot of hyperbole and panicking. I'd have to read the actual bill to make a firm opinion about it.

But since it hardly matters whether I support it and since I don't have the time to read it, I'll let the hotheaded internetians and useless politicians do everything.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 9:25PM Gooblechev said

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@Gooblechev Also, I have no doubt the government would block any websites it wanted to with or without the bill, if disreputable actions are what people are worrying about.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 11:44AM xHotPotatox said

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@Gooblechev
It isn't the concern that the government can block websites, but that corporations can tell the government to block certain website. Its the issue that this bill gives corporations more power to stifle creativity in the name of "protecting IP". You really don't have the right to call anyone hotheaded over the subject when you haven't even made the attempt to read the bill yourself.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:35PM Gooblechev said

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@xHotPotatox I can't? Even if I agree with hotheaded persons, I still call them that. Don't have to know everything about arguers' arguments to observe behaviors. And anyway, I didn't mean these people I've heard are hotheaded. I was generalizing internetians and politicians, tongue-in-cheek.

I wonder how many people have read the bill themselves anyway, or whether they've just taken the circulating info videos at their word.

I never was one to get up in arms about the current copyright laws, but I might be biased as a content creator who wouldn't like to see his creations compromised. I can understand the issues people take with the setup though, so I'll leave it at that.

To be clear: I still don't have a strong stance either way!
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:38PM Gooblechev said

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@xHotPotatox So you know, gave it a once-over and do not support it in its current form. I wouldn't necessarily mind legislation regarding piracy, but not the way they want to do it.

Also, Joystiq needs to make replying from email links possible.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 10:13PM Ceridith said

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Hypothetically, if SOPA were actually passed in it's current form, and it did somehow manage to miraculously end piracy...

What would the IP industries use to explain the fact that their over-priced and sub-par products are still selling as poorly as before SOPA?

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 10:16PM (Unverified) said

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Good thing I sold my Take Two software when it was high, cuz I don't support them if they support SOPA.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 10:47PM OGC said

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Does anybody know the email of the CEO of ESA?
I have looked and I cannot find it. Im currently starting a petition and need it to be sent to him.

Posted: Jan 4th 2012 11:01AM therandomizer said

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@OGC The president of the ESA is one Micheal Gallagher, see if you can find his email http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171036.html
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 11:23AM OGC said

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@therandomizer

yea ive been looking for his email. Cnt find it anywhere.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:04AM Martin C said

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Pretty sure the concerns are over freedom of speech, not restricting innovation.

What a bunch of crap, ESA.

Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:41AM s256 said

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@Martin C
It's both. The bill is so vague that any site could be blocked for any complaint, with or without any proof.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 11:51AM Tizlor said

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@s256
If this does pass, let's get the ESA website blocked
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 4:54PM therandomizer said

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@Tizlor Oh, how ironically hilarious that would be.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:53AM DuPrince3 said

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To all videogame companies, TV/movie studios, book publishers and any other companies that have reasons to stop piracy, my message to you is this: LEAVE. Just leave. Shut your doors and retire. Let independent folks make their own movies, shows, games, books, etc. and let them, the individuals deal with how they entertain themselves and protect their form or forms of entertainment. Make your money in natural resources. Can people pirate a tree? Or a lake? A mountain? Air? Yeah my idea is costing more people their jobs than pirating. I fail. Whatever.

Posted: Jan 4th 2012 11:50AM Tizlor said

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@DuPrince3
I'm sorry, but I pirate trees. I take acorns from government owned trees and cultivate and grow them myself and there's nothing you can do about it!
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 4:30AM Kitanishi said

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I find it funny that some of comments here STILL THINK its about piracy. Its not some "benevolent" bill that some people naively try to pass through the Congress.

Come on, people. SOPA is NOT about piracy. Never was. The whole "against piracy" thing is just a silly famous slogan to hide the real purpose of the bill - giving corporations and industry giants enough power to crush innovative new startups and retain their power hold over the industry.

Of course ESA supports it.

Posted: Jan 4th 2012 11:24AM OGC said

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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 11:48AM Tizlor said

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What'll make this hilarious is that if SOPA passes and the ESA website gets blacklisted for some roundabout reason.

Posted: Jan 4th 2012 3:50PM benheckendorn said

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Anyone with half a brain can deduce how this law, or any of the other crap passed in the last decade, can (and will) be abused.

For example, let's say Zero Punctuation eviscerates an expensive game a company has a lot riding on. Well the company could say "his video streamed an image of our box art, therefore he is violating SOPA!" They're not stopping piracy, they'd be stopping the flow of information for their benefit. Not saying this would happen, but it could. Modern day witch / communist hunt.

Ultimately it could result in corporations taking complete control of the web because the average person doesn't have the legal resources to defend every possible infraction on their site.

If the law was revised to specify "source code" or things that actually relate to downloading games illegally, that would be a different matter.




Posted: Jan 4th 2012 5:14PM (Unverified) said

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I think it DID indeed start out as being against piracy, but it has too much potential to go beyond that and be abused...it should be a lot narrower in scope. I think a lot of fanfic writers and fanart makers are worried as well, because of the potential for crackdowns on them, and that would not be a good thing either. At least as long as we aren't making any money off them.

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